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 Post subject: Re: When you hang 42 on the leagues best D and lose.....
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:26 pm 
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Stosh-67 wrote:
Not addressing the ILB spot with a capable replacement after Shaz went down was critical.

Brininging in a guy who was sitting on his couch compounded it.

You draft heavy on the defense.
ILB.
FS
OLB / DE. PASS RUSHER
CB


You bring in a FA ILB
You fire Butler.
You get a defensive minded / smart DC.
Who returns the attack the QB and tackle mentality back

Good point Stosh - wasn't the guy that the 49ers cut available when Shaz went down? Oh that's right, he wasn't from Pittsburgh and he didn't play for the Steelers before so no way we could use him.

But Stosh they weren't the '76 Steelers with Shazier on the field.

I just wonder if Art2 is as sick as this shit as I am - I mean unbelievable piece of shit defense.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:27 pm 
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Can't disagree with this line of thinking. A lot to be disappointed by in this game but the defense first and foremost couldn't come up with a big play to save their lives. As much as I loved him as a player it's time to really question what joey Porter brings to the table as a coach. None of our OLBs have developed into anything resembling a pro bowler


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 Post subject: Re: When you hang 42 on the leagues best D and lose.....
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:52 pm 
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TB wrote:
Stosh-67 wrote:
Not addressing the ILB spot with a capable replacement after Shaz went down was critical.

Brininging in a guy who was sitting on his couch compounded it.

You draft heavy on the defense.
ILB.
FS
OLB / DE. PASS RUSHER
CB


You bring in a FA ILB
You fire Butler.
You get a defensive minded / smart DC.
Who returns the attack the QB and tackle mentality back


I think NT needs to get added to that list, especially with McCullers a FA. Hargrave basically got handed the job since McCullers was in no way any competition. Draft a NT who can compete with Hargrave. The run D is a huge weakness.

It needs to be said...Javon Hargrave fucking sucks!

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 Post subject: Re: When you hang 42 on the leagues best D and lose.....
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Everybody was high on Hargreaves, but he is mis-cast as a 3-4 NT, he’s overmatched and pushed out of the hole far to often.
Vita Vea would do wonders for the front seven.


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 Post subject: Re: When you hang 42 on the leagues best D and lose.....
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:49 pm 
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should have dumped Porter when they had a chance and grabbed KG.


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 Post subject: Re: When you hang 42 on the leagues best D and lose.....
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MeanJustinBarlow wrote:
You can the DC.

Butlers defensive design is flawed if he cant stop anyone when he loses one player.

They have nobody that can pursue to the sideline, no way to cover a TE, no way to cover an RB, no way to generate edge pressure. He is a former LB coach and he has failed to utilize plenty of LB talent to run a coherent scheme.

Dump the odd front, dump Assler


"Assler" Is this a Still Mill sighting?


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 Post subject: Re: When you hang 42 on the leagues best D and lose.....
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If you motherfuckers honestly can't see that the coordinators aren't the problem, then fuck me, you're beyond help.


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 Post subject: Re: When you hang 42 on the leagues best D and lose.....
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Butler Haley and Smith should all be fired. if Tomlin aint willing to do it or not on board with all of the above he should get canned as well, and the only reason I don't can Tomlin is that I don't trust that we'd make the right choice and upgrade on him. Tomlin need top tier Coordinators and an assistant coach who is there only for game mgmt. decisions, Tomlin is clearly incapable of making the smart percentage choice, tired of his gut calls.


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GreekSteel wrote:
Butler Haley and Smith should all be fired. if Tomlin aint willing to do it or not on board with all of the above he should get canned as well, and the only reason I don't can Tomlin is that I don't trust that we'd make the right choice and upgrade on him. Tomlin need top tier Coordinators and an assistant coach who is there only for game mgmt. decisions, Tomlin is clearly incapable of making the smart percentage choice, tired of his gut calls.

Is there a precedent of a division winning coach firing both coordinators in an off season? If the owner wants to get rid of both it usually includes the Head man.

We all know it ain't happening on the south side, just curious...


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Tomlin will never be fired no mateer waht ass calls he makes


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Lynch wrote:
If you motherfuckers honestly can't see that the coordinators aren't the problem, then fuck me, you're beyond help.


Because you've never provided evidence beyond Butler's "Tomlin is involved" story...which you then twisted to intimate that whenever things on O and D go bad, it's because of Tomlin's "interference" that Rooney has to periodically "curtail".

Provide some actual...you know...REAL EVIDENCE of this, and we'll talk.

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 Post subject: Re: When you hang 42 on the leagues best D and lose.....
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To me this game was about our offense. We all knew our defense was suspect but our offense is stacked. Two turnovers were the key to the game. The game actually was 45-35 with a bullshit TD at the end. Without those two turnovers (which lose games) and some real offense, things may have been different. Shitty 4th down calls kept us on the ropes but gutsy 4th down calls kept us in the damn game. But in between half-assed running play calls and piss-poor pass play
calling kept us from tearing the Jag defense apart. Geez this game sucked!!!


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 Post subject: Re: When you hang 42 on the leagues best D and lose.....
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We scored 42 pts...even if you discount the last TD..we scored 35...We fkn allowed a Jax offense led by Blake fkn Bortles to score 45 mother fkn pts. If that doesn't get your DC fired not sure what will.


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 Post subject: Re: When you hang 42 on the leagues best D and lose.....
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GreekSteel wrote:
We scored 42 pts...even if you discount the last TD..we scored 35...We fkn allowed a Jax offense led by Blake fkn Bortles to score 45 mother fkn pts. If that doesn't get your DC fired not sure what will.


What's the line about the fish rotting, Greek?

None of this shit changes unless the change is made at the top. Until Tomlin goes, this team won't win.

Once again, I feel like Charlie Brown with that little bitch, Lucy. And I said in September this would happen.

I said in September that I couldn't get excited about this team with Tomlin at the helm, that he would never beat Bill Belichick in a game of any consequence. I also said that if the time came though, I would be believing again. And I was.

So....FUCK Mike Tomlin...FUCK Art Rooney II, for getting me to believe again. As long as Tomlin coaches, this team will NEVER win another Super Bowl.


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 Post subject: Re: When you hang 42 on the leagues best D and lose.....
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swissvale72 wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
We scored 42 pts...even if you discount the last TD..we scored 35...We fkn allowed a Jax offense led by Blake fkn Bortles to score 45 mother fkn pts. If that doesn't get your DC fired not sure what will.


What's the line about the fish rotting, Greek?

None of this shit changes unless the change is made at the top. Until Tomlin goes, this team won't win.

Once again, I feel like Charlie Brown with that little bitch, Lucy. And I said in September this would happen.

I said in September that I couldn't get excited about this team with Tomlin at the helm, that he would never beat Bill Belichick in a game of any consequence. I also said that if the time came though, I would be believing again. And I was.

So....FUCK Mike Tomlin...FUCK Art Rooney II, for getting me to believe again. As long as Tomlin coaches, this team will NEVER win another Super Bowl.




I find it difficult to defend this coaching staff and namely Tomlin at this moment as well Swiss. He really needs 2 good coordinators and a game mggt coach.


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 Post subject: Re: When you hang 42 on the leagues best D and lose.....
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:42 am 
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GreekSteel wrote:
swissvale72 wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
We scored 42 pts...even if you discount the last TD..we scored 35...We fkn allowed a Jax offense led by Blake fkn Bortles to score 45 mother fkn pts. If that doesn't get your DC fired not sure what will.


What's the line about the fish rotting, Greek?

None of this shit changes unless the change is made at the top. Until Tomlin goes, this team won't win.

Once again, I feel like Charlie Brown with that little bitch, Lucy. And I said in September this would happen.

I said in September that I couldn't get excited about this team with Tomlin at the helm, that he would never beat Bill Belichick in a game of any consequence. I also said that if the time came though, I would be believing again. And I was.

So....FUCK Mike Tomlin...FUCK Art Rooney II, for getting me to believe again. As long as Tomlin coaches, this team will NEVER win another Super Bowl.




I find it difficult to defend this coaching staff and namely Tomlin at this moment as well Swiss. He really needs 2 good coordinators and a game mggt coach.


He needs to be the fuck GONE, Greek. He will NEVER win it all, regardless of which all-star coordinators he's surrounded by.


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 Post subject: Re: When you hang 42 on the leagues best D and lose.....
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GreekSteel wrote:
swissvale72 wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
We scored 42 pts...even if you discount the last TD..we scored 35...We fkn allowed a Jax offense led by Blake fkn Bortles to score 45 mother fkn pts. If that doesn't get your DC fired not sure what will.


What's the line about the fish rotting, Greek?

None of this shit changes unless the change is made at the top. Until Tomlin goes, this team won't win.

Once again, I feel like Charlie Brown with that little bitch, Lucy. And I said in September this would happen.

I said in September that I couldn't get excited about this team with Tomlin at the helm, that he would never beat Bill Belichick in a game of any consequence. I also said that if the time came though, I would be believing again. And I was.

So....FUCK Mike Tomlin...FUCK Art Rooney II, for getting me to believe again. As long as Tomlin coaches, this team will NEVER win another Super Bowl.




I find it difficult to defend this coaching staff and namely Tomlin at this moment as well Swiss. He really needs 2 good coordinators and a game mggt coach.


He needs to be the fuck GONE, Greek. He will NEVER win it all, regardless of which all-star coordinators he's surrounded by.[/quote]



thats definitley tough to argue right now. Id be ok with canning him, albeit nervous about who theyd choose as a replacement.


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 Post subject: Re: When you hang 42 on the leagues best D and lose.....
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GreekSteel wrote:
We scored 42 pts...even if you discount the last TD..we scored 35...We fkn allowed a Jax offense led by Blake fkn Bortles to score 45 mother fkn pts. If that doesn't get your DC fired not sure what will.

38 but point taken.

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 Post subject: Re: When you hang 42 on the leagues best D and lose.....
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Lynch wrote:
If you motherfuckers honestly can't see that the coordinators aren't the problem, then fuck me, you're beyond help.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

This stupidity made me smile on an otherwise shitty day.


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 Post subject: Re: When you hang 42 on the leagues best D and lose.....
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JackSplat58 wrote:
Stosh-67 wrote:
Not addressing the ILB spot with a capable replacement after Shaz went down was critical.

Brininging in a guy who was sitting on his couch compounded it.

You draft heavy on the defense.
ILB.
FS
OLB / DE. PASS RUSHER
CB


You bring in a FA ILB
You fire Butler.
You get a defensive minded / smart DC.
Who returns the attack the QB and tackle mentality back


Why don't you have a capable backup on the roster? If they thought Spence was better than Fort (he wasn't) why don't you sign him BEFORE the injury? Special teams? Really?


The Spence move was a total head scratcher to me too. You bring a dude off the streets and play him more than your back up? WTF? Insanity.


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 Post subject: Re: When you hang 42 on the leagues best D and lose.....
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DesertSteel wrote:
To me this game was about our offense. We all knew our defense was suspect but our offense is stacked. Two turnovers were the key to the game. The game actually was 45-35 with a bullshit TD at the end. Without those two turnovers (which lose games) and some real offense, things may have been different. Shitty 4th down calls kept us on the ropes but gutsy 4th down calls kept us in the damn game. But in between half-assed running play calls and piss-poor pass play
calling kept us from tearing the Jag defense apart. Geez this game sucked!!!


I don’t think this offense can ever be great enough to overcome this defense - Haley or no Haley.


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Suwanee88 wrote:

Good point Stosh - wasn't the guy that the 49ers cut available when Shaz went down? Oh that's right, he wasn't from Pittsburgh and he didn't play for the Steelers before so no way we could use him.


I believe you're referring to Navorro Bowman.

And, no, he wasn't available. Bowman signed with the Raiders in October. Shazier got hurt December 4.


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They adjusted the defense to handle NE which made them vulnerable vs a power running team(s) Not being able top contain the edge hurt for most of the year. Losing Shazier ( and Timmons) hurt more than most thought. Williams is a JAG. A JAG that can't move sideline to sideline very well.

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 Post subject: Re: When you hang 42 on the leagues best D and lose.....
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Miter Saw wrote:
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Good point Stosh - wasn't the guy that the 49ers cut available when Shaz went down? Oh that's right, he wasn't from Pittsburgh and he didn't play for the Steelers before so no way we could use him.


I believe you're referring to Navorro Bowman.

And, no, he wasn't available. Bowman signed with the Raiders in October. Shazier got hurt December 4.

Yes, that was him.

They still fucked that up. He would have been a better option than Spence off the street


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Suwanee88 wrote:
Miter Saw wrote:
Suwanee88 wrote:

Good point Stosh - wasn't the guy that the 49ers cut available when Shaz went down? Oh that's right, he wasn't from Pittsburgh and he didn't play for the Steelers before so no way we could use him.


I believe you're referring to Navorro Bowman.

And, no, he wasn't available. Bowman signed with the Raiders in October. Shazier got hurt December 4.

Yes, that was him.

They still fucked that up. He would have been a better option than Spence off the street


How did they still fuck that up? Bowman signs in October. Shazier hurt in December. Let me guess, Tomlin didn't have Shazier's health on his list of questions for his weekly fortune teller appointment.


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