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 Post subject: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:42 am 
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The Steelers will not throw out the baby with the bath water. They should not and never do. They will make a change I suspect. They need to make a change otherwise we will have the same results next year.

The season was a success. The results; not enough for Steeler Nation.

If you were king for a day and we’re allowed to make one change only, what would it be?

I think I would fire Tomlin if I had to make one change.

We are getting the proper talent; so GM can stay. The OC is quite competent at doing what is probably stated on his contract. Score points; Keep Ben upright; finish as a top offense. Keep Haley.

Butler is suffering a little bit from talent; either players or coaching. I can only fire one, so it is not Butler, but he is on the hot seat.

I think 10 years is enough. I think they, he and PS should go in a different direction for a final push in Ben’s window. Tomlin gets the PS Order of the Cross or whatever. He was a top coach in the league, very successful PS coach, and a great coach by any measure.

The PS need someone to come in that can put a different strategy together. One that emphasizes camouflage and does not limit options with formations. Attacks weaknesses. Has a different take on odds and gut feelings. A coach that doesn’t lose when the O scores 42. Something is missing that puts it all together. We have great instruments. We know how to play great music. We can play great for a movement or two, but we need a better conductor who can put it all together and orchestrate a Super Bowl.

It is obviously not an easy choice. Organizations fail left and right in the league in this endeavor. Someone needs to make a bold, calculated, and thoughtful change to take us to the next level. We need an injection of tactical strategy. Tomlin can go somewhere else and build an organization under his vision. He has the right stuff to take many teams from good to great, but we need someone else.

I think Tomlin is too much Phil Jackson and not enough....Bill Belichick. We don’t suffer from team issues of chemistry which is Tomlin’s strength. I don’t think Tomlin is a tactician and he has not surrounded himself with tacticians either. We need more of that, without losing the chemistry skill too.


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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I fire Tomlin....in a fuckin' heartbeat.


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:48 am 
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So if you fire 1 the other 2 stay? If that's the case, wow, tough call, I cant stand Haley, but I think Ben can overcome him to a certain degree and has..i mean I think both coordinators are trash...I think it might be butler for me, the guy has really done nada with a lot of top picks going to his side.


After further review, I fire Tomlin.


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:51 am 
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Torn but would have to go Haley although Butler is a close second. I could also say Tomlin has to go but the question becomes who do we replace him with?


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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Stillcajun wrote:
Torn but would have to go Haley although Butler is a close second. I could also say Tomlin has to go but the question becomes who do we replace him with?


Haley is a very successful OC by any measure. For some reason we just don’t deploy the offense properly and I think that is HC. Any HC should have vetoed the opening script today.

Who do you replace him with is the big question? That is why Rooney and KC get paid the big bucks.


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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Whoever is in charge of situational decision making.

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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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Replace tomlin with the trashcan man from the stand, it would be an improvement


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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SteelKnife wrote:
Whoever is in charge of situational decision making.

Is there someone in charge of situational playmaking?

Just don’t understand how you don’t replicate the same gameplay as Buffalo.

42 points and a loss. Still shaking my head.


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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You fire Tomlin’s dumb fucking ass because another HC would have the balls to dismiss his incompetent coordinators.

I don’t give a fuck if it’s not the Steeler way. Our situation sucks because we will always be there but never win anything meaningful.


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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Haley.

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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:14 am 
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For me it would be Haley. I think he’s a loser. Tomlin drives me nuts; I can understand the intense frustration with him. I’m surprised to say that at this point I have to think about it because I’ve been a Tomlin defender for so long. It’s gotten closer, but if I have just one it’s still Haley.


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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Orangesteel wrote:
You fire Tomlin’s dumb fucking ass because another HC would have the balls to dismiss his incompetent coordinators.

I don’t give a fuck if it’s not the Steeler way. Our situation sucks because we will always be there but never win anything meaningful.

He is out game planned and out coached more times than not over ther course of 16+ games.
Bailed out by last secind FGs vs.inferior opponent's.
Bailed out by amazing plays by super stars.
Today waz a prime example.
If not for amazing, sand lot plays by incredible talents...
This game would not have been close.

History has shown talwnted teams that were close and made a change can take the next step and win a SB.

The incompetence of simple situational football
Is not winning a SB.

Tomlin goes .

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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:27 am 
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Butler. He will never be a good coordinator.


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:37 am 
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Poltargyst wrote:
Haley.


Firings in order:

1) Butler
2) Haley
3) Tomlin


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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The thing about Firing Coaches is that you also have to Hire a Replacement. And there is No Guarantee that the Replacement Will Be Better. Some Fans at Steelerfury Always want to Fire the Head Coach and the Coordinators, at all times. It's a Given.

Did Steelerfury Posters want to fire Cowher? Yes. Fire Arians? Yes, Did they want to fire Lebeau? Yes. Did they want to fire Whisenhunt? Yes.

If Fire happy Steelerfury posters were in charge it would be like the Raiders and Al Davis with a new Head Coach every year.

Is Tomlin better than Cowher? Was Arians better thsn Whiz? Was Haley better than Arians? Was Butler better than Lebeau. These answers are Debatable. But my point is that there is no Guarantee the Replacement is better. And people here think the Grass is Always Greener.


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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Stallworth16 wrote:
The thing about Firing Coaches is that you also have to Hire a Replacement. And there is No Guarantee that the Replacement Will Be Better. Some Fans at Steelerfury Always want to Fire the Head Coach and the Coordinators, at all times. It's a Given.

Did Steelerfury Posters want to fire Cowher? Yes. Fire Arians? Yes, Did they want to fire Lebeau? Yes. Did they want to fire Whisenhunt? Yes.

If Fire happy Steelerfury posters were in charge it would be like the Raiders and Al Davis with a new Head Coach every year.

Is Tomlin better than Cowher? Was Arians better thsn Whiz? Was Haley better than Arians? Was Butler better than Lebeau. These answers are Debatable. But my point is that there is no Guarantee the Replacement is better. And people here think the Grass is Always Greener.


Agreed 100%. However, that being said, Butler hasn’t shown anything, IMO.

Tomlin has won. That can’t be discounted. So, I’m okay keeping him til Ben hangs em up.

I’d dump Haley right behind Butler, but the talent on offense seems to be able to overcome his deficiencies.


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:29 am 
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I'm trying to keep Ben happy in the hopes he retires later rather than sooner. I think Ben likes Tomlin, so he can stay. Ben probably doesn't mind Butler, so he can too. Haley? GONE. Ben seems to work well with Fitch, promote him.

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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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Stallworth16 wrote:
The thing about Firing Coaches is that you also have to Hire a Replacement. And there is No Guarantee that the Replacement Will Be Better. Some Fans at Steelerfury Always want to Fire the Head Coach and the Coordinators, at all times. It's a Given.

Did Steelerfury Posters want to fire Cowher? Yes. Fire Arians? Yes, Did they want to fire Lebeau? Yes. Did they want to fire Whisenhunt? Yes.

If Fire happy Steelerfury posters were in charge it would be like the Raiders and Al Davis with a new Head Coach every year.

Is Tomlin better than Cowher? Was Arians better thsn Whiz? Was Haley better than Arians? Was Butler better than Lebeau. These answers are Debatable. But my point is that there is no Guarantee the Replacement is better. And people here think the Grass is Always Greener.


Agreed as well!

But what change do you make in the offseason? Are you going to get talent on D to prevent 45 points?

I think they need more than a tweak. I don’t think you ever clear the house unless a scandal or something, but 1 coach probably needs to go to get the desired outcome of a Super Bowl.

Firing Haley would be asinine on paper. Look at his stats for his offense. Always best or near the top in many areas. I guess maybe Ben is so good that Arians and Haley are just shit coordinators and when we get the right one we get 40 points a game?

I think Tomlin has to go, but I am open to hear a proposal of what is wrong and what we will do to address the issue.

I would actually have a hard time writing down what is wrong.

They don’t seem to have someone that can put it all together in a repeatable way, especially considering the talent.

Maybe the D is lacking on talent. Not one current future HOF potential player. Bad D can make your team look shitty.


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:46 am 
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Haley would be my choice to go. 4th and 1 foot, they run toss sweeps? For the talent the offense has, too many teams were able to stop it on 3rd/4th and short. Butler has the excuse of a mediocre middle linebacker group, FS needs an upgrade, and don't bother picking up #48's 5th year option - those areas are serious holes. NT is not as disruptive as I'd like either.

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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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Haley has no contract and doesn't need fired.

Firing Tomlin but keeping Butler makes no sense.

So...Butler.

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