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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:39 am 
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There are many who say Haley was forced on Tomlin. Assuming that's correct, let Haley go....make this 100% Tomlin's team, then reassess him.

It's pretty obvious Haley is gone, as 43 pointed out his contract is up. So if nothing else, this is the most realistic change that will occur.

Even chewing gum managed to not screw things up and his unit made a play (that Haley's unit couldn't capitalize on).

This team is disjointed. As others have pointed out, it's incredible plays by incredible athletes that hides a lot of incompetence.

Without Haley, it's now Tomlin's team 100% if it isn't already, and it (shouldnt) be debatable.


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:03 am 
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Haley has no contract - so he's gone regardless,

I fire Porter - he's been given a few first round picks at his position and the results have not been good... not only that but he's an assclown off the field like Haley - not professional enough for the focus this team requires.

I hire a clock management /situation person for Tomlin regardless of his wishes.


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:51 am 
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Tomlin. It won't happen, but I fire his ass because I know the next guy in would replace the mental midgets Haley, Butler and the rest of them. Time to clean house.

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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:53 am 
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I fire Tomlin. Because the new HC would fire both coordinators anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:01 am 
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I fire Mike Tomlin because the problems start at the top.

I'm not 100% sure new coordinators help the matter because at the end of the day, the conservatism, and, worse, the lack of a "championship attitude" from the players we see must stem from the top.

Even if it doesn't, the buck stops with the head man.

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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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Butler, Porter,Lake,Mitchell, the whole defensive staff can go clean out their desks. Tomlin I'm right on the fence but, when you look at our roster, so loaded with talent, he keeps fucking up game mgmt. decisions, over and over, hes a good overseer of the team most of the time, but man he gets outcoached on game day making the same mistakes over and over, I think its time for a change, or at the very least hiring a game situation/mgmt. coach is an absolute must, Tomlin has proven hes incapable of making the rational correct decision in the heat of the battle.


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:04 am 
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Tomlin's leaving soon anyway.

When Ben's gone, this team will completely fucking tank with the bug-eyed fuck in charge and he knows it.

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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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Butler, Porter,Lake,Mitchell, the whole defensive staff can go clean out their desks. Tomlin I'm right on the fence but, when you look at our roster, so loaded with talent, he keeps fucking up game mgmt. decisions, over and over, hes a good overseer of the team most of the time, but man he gets outcoached on game day making the same mistakes over and over, I think its time for a change, or at the very least hiring a game situation/mgmt. coach is an absolute must, Tomlin has proven hes incapable of making the rational correct decision in the heat of the battle.


Forget heat of the battle.

Think of how many decisions he’s fucked up WHEN HE HAS THE TIME TO THINK ABOUT THEM.

The 4th and short toss sweep to Bell came AFTER A TIMEOUT.
The shitty plays after James’ TD was overturned against the Pats came AFTER AN EXTENDED TIMEOUT.
This goes all the way back to Jax AFCWCG in 2007 with 3rd and fucking 7...when the Ben sweep was called AFTER A TIMEOUT.

But what you say is true...because Mike Tomlin doesn’t understand the Bill Walsh quote in my sig line...gives no evidence that he does.

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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:14 pm 
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every coach has an expiration date and Tomlin reached his


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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If I were king for a day? hmmm, let’s see...
I’d fire Tomlin, and have the other two beheaded.

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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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Jobus Rum wrote:
If I were king for a day? hmmm, let’s see...
I’d fire Tomlin, and have the other two beheaded.


It's good to be the king! Oh piss boy....


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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Can this be a fire Danny Smith and 1 other coach thread? Not sure how that guy is still employed. Yes they blocked a punt yesterday, but that hardly makes up for 4-5 years of bonehead special teams penalties.

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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:26 pm 
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OK, This is the deal-only allowed to fire one major coach. Easy,Tomlin-and let the new guy clean house...


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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Jobus Rum wrote:
If I were king for a day? hmmm, let’s see...
I’d fire Tomlin, and have the other two beheaded.




All that can be added to this is:

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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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fritzthecat wrote:
OK, This is the deal-only allowed to fire one major coach. Easy,Tomlin-and let the new guy clean house...


Great point! Demotions can cause people to leave too. A demoted OC or DC will equate to I have decided to move on with my life’s work or spend time with the family blurb. A demoted LB or secondary coach as well.


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:45 pm 
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Is Butler contract up as well as Haley's? One of the articles linked on this site said that....maybe it was DK?


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:36 pm 
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I fire Tomlin....in a fuckin' heartbeat.

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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:18 am 
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The following apparently know winter is here and are very good at game of thrones. They all picked the Hand of the King and not the King.

Still Cajun
Poltargyst
Will the Shake
Random Steeler Fan
44letzride
FortyThree sort of-He suggested not re-signing Haley and firing Butler.
VASteelerGuy
MiterSaw
ToddHaleysNineIron

Honorable mention AirRescueFF with his response of Tombutley!


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:49 am 
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
The following apparently know winter is here and are very good at game of thrones. They all picked the Hand of the King and not the King.

Still Cajun
Poltargyst
Will the Shake
Random Steeler Fan
44letzride
FortyThree sort of-He suggested not re-signing Haley and firing Butler.
VASteelerGuy
MiterSaw
ToddHaleysNineIron

Honorable mention AirRescueFF with his response of Tombutley!


You make a good argument in your initial post, and I get some amusement at seeing myself lumped here at having picked the “Hand of the King and not the King”. That said, a reminder: you said we could only fire 1 coach. If the rules were more generous I’d have to think about whether to keep Tomlin. I’ll tell you one thing, I wouldn’t get rid of him without a well-reasoned replacement in mind. And don’t say, anyone will do. I don’t believe that for a second. I do believe if Todd Haley is a “Hand of the King” you’re fucked. Haley’s a bum. You want to see what an truly disastrous head coach looks like, make Todd Haley your head coach. As OC of the Steelers he disgraced himself on the sidelines AND off the sidelines. This guy makes Rex Ryan look like a statesman. Falling down steps, allowing his being a cuckold to his wife to enter public awareness. I don’t care what a guy does privately, but keep it private, and don’t embarrass the franchise. These things have a way of translating to what happens on the field. Worst of all, of course, was his relationship with his QB. I can’t imagine the relief Ben is feeling at having this loser sourpuss out of his life. Ben performed brilliantly when he was allowed to do so. When he performed magic, obviously unscripted by Haley, instead of recognizing the greatness he’d been blessed with, Haley seemed to take it personally, actually pissed off on the sidelines at Ben’s success. Fragile ego Todd putting himself before the team. Small man, Todd Haley. Those two opening series a blueprint of him at his very worst in terms of play design. Tomlin drives me nuts, pisses me off left and right, but his players win a lot of games for him, and I think he’s got some intangible leadership qualities over the course of a long season that you don’t find in most NFL head coaches. With good health, and improvements in certain areas, this team still has a chance to win with Tomlin in spite of his well versed lines of b.s; ZERO chance if Todd Haley stayed on board. You know what I really wish: I wish your king for the day really did apply to me, and it was at the end of last season. Haley would have been gone. And with healthy versions of Ben, Bell, and Brown, and in spite of our defense, we’d be playing in the Super Bowl this year.


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:31 pm 
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MiterSaw posted this in another thread. I thought it was a good summation of why you don’t fire Tomlin. I knew only one major change would be made hence my post. It is the Steeler way, the way science works etc. and I agree. You have to minimize the variable changes and maximize the constants unchanging.

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I think one of the primary reasons Tomlin won't be canned is because ownership knows it was by their heavy hand that Haley was on the staff.

At minimum, they'll give him a shot with a full staff of his guys before the threat to fire is real.

I do like that his seat is uncomfortable.

Probably not a popular opinion, but I don't think firing Tomlin is the ideal option here. I'd much prefer that Tomlin admit (to himself) and learn from the littany of mistakes he's made. I'd much rather he rekindle that notebook geekish persona he came into the position with when he thought he had to prove something. Guess what Mike, you do have to prove yourself again...and when you do, you'll have to do it again.

If this isn't a wake up call, he'll never have one.

He has a lot to offer. Even former (non-steeler) players say they'd love to play for him. I'd rather have a reinvented Tomlin than a new hire at this point in time.

I don't know if that will happen.


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:52 pm 
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
The following apparently know winter is here and are very good at game of thrones. They all picked the Hand of the King and not the King.

Still Cajun
Poltargyst
Will the Shake
Random Steeler Fan
44letzride
FortyThree sort of-He suggested not re-signing Haley and firing Butler.
VASteelerGuy
MiterSaw
ToddHaleysNineIron

Honorable mention AirRescueFF with his response of Tombutley!


Nice. I'm not opposed to dumping the king. I'm just claiming that the grass isn't always greener. It's pretty manure laced now, but it could be wayyy worse. Lebeau for Butler, Arians for Haley. We got our wish on both accounts and how has that worked out?


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 Post subject: Re: King for a Day-Who do you fire? Can only fire 1 Coach.
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Ben is healthier. We lead the league in sacks. PS aren’t completely awful at making changes.

We need some churn in the bottom ranks of the D coaches.

Remember Kirby? Exactly. Tomlin got rid of him in a trade for MN’s RB coach. It worked out well.


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