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 Post subject: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:18 pm 
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The morning after a Steelers playoff exit has a certain feel to it. It varies from season to season, depending on the nature of the exit, and the potential of the team. But there's a hollowness that ties them all together. When the Steelers lost to San Diego in the AFCCG, I had an upset stomach for weeks, couldn't sleep, and had nightmares when I did sleep. I can still picture Cowher and Neil O'Donnell giggling together on the sideline before the final play, as I was thinking, "what the fuck is so funny...come up with a fucking play that's going to work, don't laugh like it's the cool thing to do..." For those of you who remember, that team made a premature attempt at a championship style music video, which totally backfired in hindsight...bitten by a lack of preparation and overconfidence, which is a parallel you can draw to the finish the 2017 Steelers ran into yesterday. As the years have gone by, I've tried to handle Steelers loses better and to some extent I have. But it's still an awful feeling when it's wait till next year, especially when there was so much promise on the table, and you find yourself looking back on a play or two.

I became a registered user of this board after years of using it to get information and laughs, and because - thanks to a few posters in particular - it contained the best Steelers analysis you could get anywhere. Perch's wrap-ups of games were unmatched in my opinion by anyone, anywhere. Consistently passionate and terrific posts by B2B, Swiss, and others. Finally, after a lumpy 4-2 start this year, I decided to register. The Steelers won 7 in a row after I registered, and heading into the New England game, I'm thinking, what the fuck took you so long to register!

I still can't get the New England game out of my head. I want to; I feel like all the frustration should be vented toward what happened yesterday, but the truth is, there were so fucking close and a victory in that game produces an entirely different alignment, and quite possibly results. We'd have watched Pats/Jags yesterday, busy making sarcastic comments, excited to be hosting the AFCCG after beating Tennessee for the second time. But it didn't go that way and now it's the agony of wait till next year.

A few closing thoughts on the season:

1. The loss of Ryan Shazier thankfully, blessedly, did not cripple him. But it did cripple the Steelers defense. Yesterday's performance was outrageously bad, and exposed just how dependent they were on one guy to be a disruptive force, particularly in third down situations. The softness of certain players (Dupree), and the ineptitude of others (Mitchell) was painful to watch. Lots of help needed. It feels like a broken record at this point: ILB, Safety, Edge Rusher.

2. Tomlin. It's hard to counter most of the criticism levied at Mike Tomlin. No need to rehash it all here. When I saw what looked like a rugby scrum on the opening kickoff yesterday, with half a dozen Steeler players being carried like small children, I had a worried feeling about rust/preparation. It snowballed from there. And yet, as unpopular of an opinion as it is right now (and for good reason), I still think there are positives to Tomlin's results that we shouldn't take for granted, even if he's so obviously flawed. I don't think it's easy to go 13-3 in the NFL. I think it's naive to think otherwise. Over a 26 game stretch, counting the playoffs, his team went 22-4. Sure the Steelers have elite playmakers, but this is by no means a perfect team (how many of you are in love with the defensive pieces?).

3. Haley. I've always been against Haley from the moment he was hired. In much the same way that people say Tomlin will never go all the way again, I had the feeling that Haley would never win it all. He struck me as a bum when he arrived, someone who would never succeed in the biggest moments. I'll be happy when he's officially no longer with the team. Tomlin may never get to a Super Bowl again, but the Steelers will have a better chance to do so without Todd Haley.

I'll keep going for a moment because I don't want my season ending post to finish with the words Todd Haley.

There was still a lot of fun mixed in this year. As has wisely been said before: we don't enjoy these games, we suffer through them and hope to come out on top. I admit, I thought they'd win yesterday. Wasn't as confident about the NE game as some, but, man, I wish we could find out. That's the fun part: the restlessness as the team gets close, and you're hashing it out with fellow fanatics as it approaches. Hopefully we can get that feeling again next January.


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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:20 pm 
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Nice post Will.

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1. The loss of Ryan Shazier thankfully, blessedly, did not cripple him. But it did cripple the Steelers defense.


I hope the kid walks again.
But yes, the loss of Shaz took any play making ability away from the defense.

The handful of passes that were inches short of being knocked down by Spence.
The missed tackle and wrap up on the left side by Fort on a third and long pass to the RB.
The tipped passes by Artie Burns that may have had Shaz in the vicinity.
The dump off to the TE's and RB/ FB's

He certainly would have made a difference with just three or four plays that could have been made.

Look forward to you posting in the future.

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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
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I am very skeptical about what I read and where I read it after a loss. Let alone, after an epic loss like yesterday. Allotta whiny, loner, know jack shit, spoiled people on the web that need attention, to get noticed or looking for a reaction, spewing their bullshit before, during & after every game.

This site has a bunch of them itself, sometimes completely destroying a good topic/thread or making it unbearable to continue reading for the time being. Hell, just read a thread today where someone suggested selling the team and bashed Rooney ownership.

But this site is set apart from the masses, by having "many more than most" excellent, knowledgeable, level-headed & devoted/dedicated authors. Will-the-Shake, this "writing" put you well in the "good read" category for sure. Excellent poast and exactly the way I feel. Even made me feel a bit better today (the day after), knowing there are others feeling the way I do today.

Excellent & kudos!


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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
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You're right about how close we were to seeing a Jacksonville/New England game, while we likely would have stomped Mariotta and the Titans.

Not sure it matters much though.

We now know this team is incapable of beating the great Blake Bortles and let's get real. Brady likely beats the living shit out of us at Heinz, LIKE HE ALWAYS DOES.

Why? Belichick is a strategist. Tomlin is a motivator.

Belichick game plans to give his team the best chance to win. Tomlin busts out the pom poms.

We aren't winning shit with this coaching staff ever again. They're played out.

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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
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Stosh-67 wrote:
Nice post Will.

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1. The loss of Ryan Shazier thankfully, blessedly, did not cripple him. But it did cripple the Steelers defense.


I hope the kid walks again.
But yes, the loss of Shaz took any play making ability away from the defense.

The handful of passes that were inches short of being knocked down by Spence.
The missed tackle and wrap up on the left side by Fort on a third and long pass to the RB.
The tipped passes by Artie Burns that may have had Shaz in the vicinity.
The dump off to the TE's and RB/ FB's

He certainly would have made a difference with just three or four plays that could have been made.

Look forward to you posting in the future.


Good post, Shake!!

And Stosh....re: missing Shaz. Let's start with Spence completely whiffing on Fournette's 4th down TD to open the game. As that play develops and Fournette has the handoff, and Spence is in the whole, I'm thinking we're stopping him.

Let me tell you what I can't do, Shake. Unlike many here, who right away turn their sights to the combine, the draft, etc....for me it's all Penguins, all the time. I'll take note of the schedule release, perhaps plan my pilgrimage to Heinz.....then I'll see you asshats on the Sunday after Labor Day.


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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
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Nice post shake.


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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
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I am always a little depressed when they are eliminated I always want to go as far as possible. Last year we had THREE playoff games! That was fun. And yeah, I'd rather lose the Super Bowl than not go. This kills all of MY motivation, I will still likely watch the last 3 games, but not in their entirety and not with great intensity, We've been blessed as Steelers fans, so much success, 23 Division Titles, 16 AFCCGs, 8 Super Bowls, 6 Lombardis, can't complain much, but it sure is less fun when they aren't there. I'd like to see Jax upset NE, but whatever, it won't feel like the feeling I get when the Steelers are there, even if they lose.


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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
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KC wrote:
You're right about how close we were to seeing a Jacksonville/New England game, while we likely would have stomped Mariotta and the Titans.

Not sure it matters much though.

We now know this team is incapable of beating the great Blake Bortles and let's get real. Brady likely beats the living shit out of us at Heinz, LIKE HE ALWAYS DOES.

Why? Belichick is a strategist. Tomlin is a motivator.

Belichick game plans to give his team the best chance to win. Tomlin busts out the pom poms.

We aren't winning shit with this coaching staff ever again. They're played out.

I agree, but its much more than Tomlin.

They have failed miserably to build a competitive defense. I am not buying that Shaz would have made a huge difference because I recall this defense with Shaz getting blown out too.

They have invested heavily into this defense year after year, looking for the next great "edge" rusher - its not fucking working! Every year Ben gets a year older - stop the insanity!

They have failed particularly in the secondary. Its amazing to me. Burns and Davis should have improved...........Burns has certainly gone to hell and Davis is average to below average. The Mike Mitchell signing has pretty much been a terrible move from the beginning. Thank God Cleveland is a piece of shit organization and Haden got lucky to drop into their laps during the last days of training camp - ridiculous that they went to camp with that mix this year.

Now that it looks like Ben is coming back for multiple years, I think they need to sign Bell and keep the B's together.

On Defense, I would like to see some major changes. I would love them to switch to a 4-3 (like Scunge has described several times) and make it less complicated with a lot more man coverage. I would like them to get younger and faster and try to win on D with speed and athleticism.


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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
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Nick79 wrote:
I am always a little depressed when they are eliminated I always want to go as far as possible. Last year we had THREE playoff games! That was fun. And yeah, I'd rather lose the Super Bowl than not go. This kills all of MY motivation, I will still likely watch the last 3 games, but not in their entirety and not with great intensity, We've been blessed as Steelers fans, so much success, 23 Division Titles, 16 AFCCGs, 8 Super Bowls, 6 Lombardis, can't complain much, but it sure is less fun when they aren't there. I'd like to see Jax upset NE, but whatever, it won't feel like the feeling I get when the Steelers are there, even if they lose.

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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
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The real agony of wait until next year?

Knowing the odds are high that next year will end the same way this year ended.

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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
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Next year has started...

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Re-signed 7 players...

Canaday and Grimble were exclusive-rights free agents, meaning the Steelers held their rights and all the bargaining leverage.

Among those signed to reserve/future contracts was former Pitt linebacker Matt Galambos, who spent his rookie season on the Steelers practice squad/injured reserve list. The other four signed finished the season on the practice squad: safety Jordan Dangerfield, outside linebacker Farrington Huguenin, tight end Jake McGee and cornerback Dashaun Phillips.
http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/131 ... er-grimble


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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
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Bud Dupree is just ok or worse.
TJ Watt is a good player but didn't show as much as we hoped.

Does anyone see TJ getting a look at Inside Linebacker? I know it's a long shot. Just food for thought. TJ has the lateral speed and the vertical speed to play ILB. It might be an interesting fit.


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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
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That fifth-year option. Anybody wish to comment about this regarding Jones... I mean Dupree? http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/131 ... ole-career


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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
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Great posts gentlemen. Some positive stuff in this thread and certainly needed. I’ll be diving into the draft as always at this point trying to hold on to a shred of football during the horrible off season. Wish I got Pens games here in upstate NY. Maybe I can find a link. Anyway, appreciate the positivity and this board more than I should I’m sure. Best place on the interwebs hands down. LoL. Hoping for a great FA period, a great draft and as always Marsha to break her leg.


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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
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SteelThrillsseeker wrote:
Great posts gentlemen. Some positive stuff in this thread and certainly needed. I’ll be diving into the draft as always at this point trying to hold on to a shred of football during the horrible off season. Wish I got Pens games here in upstate NY. Maybe I can find a link. Anyway, appreciate the positivity and this board more than I should I’m sure. Best place on the interwebs hands down. LoL. Hoping for a great FA period, a great draft and as always Marsha to break her leg.


You can get Pens games, rest of season for $40. I paid $110 for whole season, so this is a good deal, Thrillseeker.

https://subscribe.nhl.com/us?partnerId= ... P-PD2-NA-1


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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
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SteelThrillsseeker wrote:
Great posts gentlemen. Some positive stuff in this thread and certainly needed. I’ll be diving into the draft as always at this point trying to hold on to a shred of football during the horrible off season. Wish I got Pens games here in upstate NY. Maybe I can find a link. Anyway, appreciate the positivity and this board more than I should I’m sure. Best place on the interwebs hands down. LoL. Hoping for a great FA period, a great draft and as always Marsha to break her leg.


You can get Pens games, rest of season for $40. I paid $110 for whole season, so this is a good deal, Thrillseeker.

https://subscribe.nhl.com/us?partnerId= ... P-PD2-NA-1



Thanks man. I’ll have to check that out. Now, I wonder if I can broadcast that on my tv from iPad or phone or one of the apps on my smart tv that I don’t know too much about. Lmao.


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SteelThrillsseeker wrote:
swissvale72 wrote:
SteelThrillsseeker wrote:
Great posts gentlemen. Some positive stuff in this thread and certainly needed. I’ll be diving into the draft as always at this point trying to hold on to a shred of football during the horrible off season. Wish I got Pens games here in upstate NY. Maybe I can find a link. Anyway, appreciate the positivity and this board more than I should I’m sure. Best place on the interwebs hands down. LoL. Hoping for a great FA period, a great draft and as always Marsha to break her leg.


You can get Pens games, rest of season for $40. I paid $110 for whole season, so this is a good deal, Thrillseeker.

https://subscribe.nhl.com/us?partnerId= ... P-PD2-NA-1



Thanks man. I’ll have to check that out. Now, I wonder if I can broadcast that on my tv from iPad or phone or one of the apps on my smart tv that I don’t know too much about. Lmao.


At least one of those will work. I watch on my laptop, sometimes hook the laptop up to the smart tv.


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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
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Miter Saw wrote:
Nice post shake.


Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
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Wasn’t there some stupid puff piece written about Dupree before the season started about how he was poised to be the best OLB in the league? Was it ESPN?

Hahahahahaha. Hilarious! We’ve totally fucked ourselves at the OLB position for far too long, yet we have a defensive scheme that is predicated on great OLB play. Blow the whole damn thing up.


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swissvale72 wrote:
SteelThrillsseeker wrote:
Great posts gentlemen. Some positive stuff in this thread and certainly needed. I’ll be diving into the draft as always at this point trying to hold on to a shred of football during the horrible off season. Wish I got Pens games here in upstate NY. Maybe I can find a link. Anyway, appreciate the positivity and this board more than I should I’m sure. Best place on the interwebs hands down. LoL. Hoping for a great FA period, a great draft and as always Marsha to break her leg.


You can get Pens games, rest of season for $40. I paid $110 for whole season, so this is a good deal, Thrillseeker.

https://subscribe.nhl.com/us?partnerId= ... P-PD2-NA-1
That's a buck and change per game. If you can watch all that are left. Seems like a deal without having to deal with streaming bullshit, but they say pens have 29 blacked out games. I assume that price includes playoffs?

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Jeemie wrote:
The real agony of wait until next year?

Knowing the odds are high that next year will end the same way this year ended.


And the really sad part is, in the not so distant future the only thing that's likely to change is Ben will tell us that was it.

Happy to hear he plans to play 3 more years. But that's an eternity at this point. They say the arm is the last thing to go, but his mobility is already starting to approach post-spinal surgery Manning levels.

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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
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Nice write up, Shake

Glad you joined, by the way.

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overconfidence


JAX with the #1 Pts/Dr and #3 TO's/Dr defense PLUS already 1 win in our house this season...

They came in here a very confident football team. And they felt disrespected.

Would have been smart for our players to tread lightly doling out compliments during the week.

I don't know if any of that mattered on the field... but still...


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 Post subject: Re: The Agony of Wait Till Next Year
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Jeemie wrote:
The real agony of wait until next year?

Knowing the odds are high that next year will end the same way this year ended.


The truth is, this year was FUN, I actually got a lot of enjoyment out of a 13 win regular season. I can't agree with people that say, "It's worthless and a waste if you don't win the Super Bowl". They always have these TV Ads, "The Playoffs are the best time of year", Uh... NO they aren't, I like the middle of October better, because there are games last week, this week and next week... And yeah, I watched every Steelers game this year and got a lot of entertainment out of it, So yeah, sucks losing in the playoffs, but I enjoy the whole process and if you win 6 out of 51 Super Bowls, you are a God anyways.


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....and if you win 6 out of 51 Super Bowls, you are a God anyways.


Sickening to think Belicheat and Brady might be grabbing their 6th....in just 15-16 years.

Tomlin walks past 6 Lombardis every day.....a different coach might be walking past at least 7-8.

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Tomlin just rah-rah'd Cowhers team to #6. He's done nothin more than Switzer did with Johnson's team.


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