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Oh, and BTW...Ben has oodles of room to escape to his left on the play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR31ga10Xwo

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 Post subject: Re: ESPN Stats: Ben is 18 for 19 on 4th and 1 QB Sneaks!
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Oh, and BTW...Ben has oodles of room to escape to his left on the play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR31ga10Xwo


Not sure where to get the video of the first 4th and 1.....before the Jags time out.
The Jags defensive line was not packed at the line.
The Jags had 10 men on defense.
There was time to snap the ball long before the time out.
The Jags were running around, not ready, gaps on the line, if I recall.....plenty of space to gain yards. Bet he would have gotten 2 yards.

Said it before.
This team is not smart.
From Tomlin on down.
Ben needs to see all this and take that snap.
A smart team gets up, does not wait for the defense to get ready, is not polite, does not allow them to re-group.
Dumb football.

They are not practiced and prepared for these moments.
They can say it all they want.
But if they prepared for these moments, continually discussed these moments to clarify what needs to happen, it would be second nature.

For Tomlin to come out and say they were crowding the A and B gaps......
Take a look at the video tape.

And for him to say and justify not running it or sneaking it.............that "they are very good at stopping it"
I'm sure that was just a blind comment.

I'm not positive on the stats on the Jags defense on 4th and 1 or less.
Some of you guys may know how/ where to get that info.

Looks like the Jags defense on 4th down gave up 11 of 20, 4th down attempts. 21st in the league.

Have to imagine some of those could be 4th and longer than 1 or 2 attempts.

What are there numbers on 4th and 1?

Regardless, Bens 4th down QB sneaks are 18 of 19.

"Poor execution" is always his answer when opposing coaches yell checkmate, after seeing the play unfold.

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 Post subject: Re: ESPN Stats: Ben is 18 for 19 on 4th and 1 QB Sneaks!
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Stosh-67 wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
Oh, and BTW...Ben has oodles of room to escape to his left on the play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR31ga10Xwo


Not sure where to get the video of the first 4th and 1.....before the Jags time out.
The Jags defensive line was not packed at the line.
The Jags had 10 men on defense.
There was time to snap the ball long before the time out.
The Jags were running around, not ready, gaps on the line, if I recall.....plenty of space to gain yards. Bet he would have gotten 2 yards.

Said it before.
This team is not smart.
From Tomlin on down.
Ben needs to see all this and take that snap.
A smart team gets up, does not wait for the defense to get ready, is not polite, does not allow them to re-group.
Dumb football.

They are not practiced and prepared for these moments.
They can say it all they want.
But if they prepared for these moments, continually discussed these moments to clarify what needs to happen, it would be second nature.

For Tomlin to come out and say they were crowding the A and B gaps......
Take a look at the video tape.

And for him to say and justify not running it or sneaking it.............that "they are very good at stopping it"
I'm sure that was just a blind comment.

I'm not positive on the stats on the Jags defense on 4th and 1 or less.
Some of you guys may know how/ where to get that info.

Looks like the Jags defense on 4th down gave up 11 of 20, 4th down attempts. 21st in the league.

Have to imagine some of those could be 4th and longer than 1 or 2 attempts.

What are there numbers on 4th and 1?

Regardless, Bens 4th down QB sneaks are 18 of 19.

"Poor execution" is always his answer when opposing coaches yell checkmate, after seeing the play unfold.

Good breakdown, Stosh. This is a PERFECT example of Tomlin's well defined line of BS. It's really too bad the beat reporters don't have the balls to get into a pissing match with him over this. Someone asks a question about this kind of stuff and he shuts them down immediately with some form of BS. If pushed further he gets defensive and goes kind of tough guy at that point. It's sad really.


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 Post subject: Re: ESPN Stats: Ben is 18 for 19 on 4th and 1 QB Sneaks!
PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:34 am 
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Stosh...Ben was too busy doing that “Let’s do all these histrionics to try and draw them offside, even though it never works” bullshit to notice that maybe if he immediately snapped it, he would have gotten the yards.

You’re right- they do not practice these. And yes...they are dumb situationally. As Schefter said, shit flows downhill.

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 Post subject: Re: ESPN Stats: Ben is 18 for 19 on 4th and 1 QB Sneaks!
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Stosh...Ben was too busy doing that “Let’s do all these histrionics to try and draw them offside, even though it never works” bullshit to notice that maybe if he immediately snapped it, he would have gotten the yards.


Jeems, thats exactly what I thought they were doing.
I yelled aloud, are you kidding me. Snap the fucking ball and go.

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 Post subject: Re: ESPN Stats: Ben is 18 for 19 on 4th and 1 QB Sneaks!
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At this point they should do FAKE histrionics (or would that be fake fake histrionics) and snap the ball right away while the defense is thinking they're just trying to draw them offsides.


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 Post subject: Re: ESPN Stats: Ben is 18 for 19 on 4th and 1 QB Sneaks!
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Jeemie wrote:
Oh, and BTW...Ben has oodles of room to escape to his left on the play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR31ga10Xwo

true..just needed to move..which he doesn't do much these days..there was a window on here when he shoulda known pocket was disappearing and simply scooted to his left and then find a guy..oh well..
and the drawing off sides farce needs to end. so old and lame and like it said her u miss great chances to catch defense unprepared and beat them for the 1st and maybe more.


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 Post subject: Re: ESPN Stats: Ben is 18 for 19 on 4th and 1 QB Sneaks!
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Poltargyst wrote:
At this point they should do FAKE histrionics (or would that be fake fake histrionics) and snap the ball right away while the defense is thinking they're just trying to draw them offsides.


Ben did exactly that several years ago, before they took the sneak out of the playbook. I thought he and Pouncey did that on their own - maybe he had the ok to do it if he saw the opportunity, but it was DEFINITELY Ben's call.

I really thought that's what they would do here. Looked exactly the same, except in this case the third time he went under center there was no snap and no sneak.

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Kodiak wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:
At this point they should do FAKE histrionics (or would that be fake fake histrionics) and snap the ball right away while the defense is thinking they're just trying to draw them offsides.


Ben did exactly that several years ago, before they took the sneak out of the playbook. I thought he and Pouncey did that on their own - maybe he had the ok to do it if he saw the opportunity, but it was DEFINITELY Ben's call.

I really thought that's what they would do here. Looked exactly the same, except in this case the third time he went under center there was no snap and no sneak.


And you would have thought with Jax only having ten men on the field (which is why they called the timeout)...

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 Post subject: Re: ESPN Stats: Ben is 18 for 19 on 4th and 1 QB Sneaks!
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Can't remember which 4th and short it was. May have been this one before the timeout.

I thought one of their guys DID jump. Pretty sure it would've been a neutral zone infraction if they snapped. I was pissed at the time. It could end up being it wasn't offside and I was antsy.


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 Post subject: Re: ESPN Stats: Ben is 18 for 19 on 4th and 1 QB Sneaks!
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Stosh-67 wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
Oh, and BTW...Ben has oodles of room to escape to his left on the play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR31ga10Xwo


Not sure where to get the video of the first 4th and 1.....before the Jags time out.
The Jags defensive line was not packed at the line.
The Jags had 10 men on defense.
There was time to snap the ball long before the time out.
The Jags were running around, not ready, gaps on the line, if I recall.....plenty of space to gain yards. Bet he would have gotten 2 yards.

Said it before.
This team is not smart.
From Tomlin on down.
Ben needs to see all this and take that snap.
A smart team gets up, does not wait for the defense to get ready, is not polite, does not allow them to re-group.
Dumb football.

They are not practiced and prepared for these moments.
They can say it all they want.
But if they prepared for these moments, continually discussed these moments to clarify what needs to happen, it would be second nature.

For Tomlin to come out and say they were crowding the A and B gaps......
Take a look at the video tape.

And for him to say and justify not running it or sneaking it.............that "they are very good at stopping it"
I'm sure that was just a blind comment.

I'm not positive on the stats on the Jags defense on 4th and 1 or less.
Some of you guys may know how/ where to get that info.

Looks like the Jags defense on 4th down gave up 11 of 20, 4th down attempts. 21st in the league.

Have to imagine some of those could be 4th and longer than 1 or 2 attempts.

What are there numbers on 4th and 1?

Regardless, Bens 4th down QB sneaks are 18 of 19.

"Poor execution" is always his answer when opposing coaches yell checkmate, after seeing the play unfold.


Agreed on Tomlin. But, why can’t Ben make these calls? I hold him just, if not more, accountable.

Ben’s at the line, he’s in control, how does he not recognize Jville’s confusion and take advantage? Tomlin deserves a shit ton of criticism for this and everything else. But, Ben seems to consistently display a weird lack of awareness at times for a 1st ballot HOFer.


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 Post subject: Re: ESPN Stats: Ben is 18 for 19 on 4th and 1 QB Sneaks!
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Kodiak wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:
At this point they should do FAKE histrionics (or would that be fake fake histrionics) and snap the ball right away while the defense is thinking they're just trying to draw them offsides.


Ben did exactly that several years ago, before they took the sneak out of the playbook. I thought he and Pouncey did that on their own - maybe he had the ok to do it if he saw the opportunity, but it was DEFINITELY Ben's call.

I really thought that's what they would do here. Looked exactly the same, except in this case the third time he went under center there was no snap and no sneak.

Wasn't there a time too when Ben walked away from center toward a WR as if to yell the call to him, and the center snapped the ball to the RB who ran ahead for the first?


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 Post subject: Re: ESPN Stats: Ben is 18 for 19 on 4th and 1 QB Sneaks!
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And then Brady QB sneaks for 3 on a non-4th to add salt to the biggest blunder by the PS!


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 Post subject: Re: ESPN Stats: Ben is 18 for 19 on 4th and 1 QB Sneaks!
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Not sure if it was mentioned.............

To add insult to stupidity.

I thought I heard the Gilbert injury / concussion?
Was hurt on that 4th and 1 sweep.

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 Post subject: Re: ESPN Stats: Ben is 18 for 19 on 4th and 1 QB Sneaks!
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Poltargyst wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:
At this point they should do FAKE histrionics (or would that be fake fake histrionics) and snap the ball right away while the defense is thinking they're just trying to draw them offsides.


Ben did exactly that several years ago, before they took the sneak out of the playbook. I thought he and Pouncey did that on their own - maybe he had the ok to do it if he saw the opportunity, but it was DEFINITELY Ben's call.

I really thought that's what they would do here. Looked exactly the same, except in this case the third time he went under center there was no snap and no sneak.

Wasn't there a time too when Ben walked away from center toward a WR as if to yell the call to him, and the center snapped the ball to the RB who ran ahead for the first?


Hell...I would have liked that play better than the sweep.

As the weeks go by, I do place a lot of blame on the first failure on Ben. Jax was in disarray...only had ten men on the field. They eventually called timeout because of it. Ben had to have seen that, and he should have immediately snapped the ball and plowed forward. He probably wouldn’t have even been touched.

Instead he goes into his fake snap count shit.

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 Post subject: Re: ESPN Stats: Ben is 18 for 19 on 4th and 1 QB Sneaks!
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Jeemie wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
Ben did exactly that several years ago, before they took the sneak out of the playbook. I thought he and Pouncey did that on their own - maybe he had the ok to do it if he saw the opportunity, but it was DEFINITELY Ben's call.

I really thought that's what they would do here. Looked exactly the same, except in this case the third time he went under center there was no snap and no sneak.

Wasn't there a time too when Ben walked away from center toward a WR as if to yell the call to him, and the center snapped the ball to the RB who ran ahead for the first?


Hell...I would have liked that play better than the sweep.


As the weeks go by, I do place a lot of blame on the first failure on Ben. Jax was in disarray...only had ten men on the field. They eventually called timeout because of it. Ben had to have seen that, and he should have immediately snapped the ball and plowed forward. He probably wouldn’t have even been touched.

Instead he goes into his fake snap count shit.

No...he was actually calling a play at the line. Because, you know, he can’t, won’t, or isn’t allowed to run a QB sneak.
The fake snap shit is Pop Warner garbage, and drives me fucking bonkers when he tries it. But, in this case, that isn’t what he was doing.

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 Post subject: Re: ESPN Stats: Ben is 18 for 19 on 4th and 1 QB Sneaks!
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I made the point that Ben wasn’t really wasn’t a “smart” QB after the loss. People pushed back.

I recanted some and said what I was referring to was that he wasn’t a “heady” QB.

People still pushed back.

Your post (Jeemie) illustrates what I was referring to.

A QB with his head in the game sees that shit and gets the EASY first.

Not our guy.

And not our coaches.


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Whatever he was doing, Jobu, he had time to notice Jax in disarray.

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I made the point that Ben wasn’t really wasn’t a “smart” QB after the loss. People pushed back.

I recanted some and said what I was referring to was that he wasn’t a “heady” QB.

People still pushed back.

Your post illustrates what I was referring to.

A QB with his head in the game sees that shit and gets the EASY first.

Not our guy.

And not our coaches.


For lol the talk of practicing situational football, the evidence is the Steelers do nothing of the sort.

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That’s been evident for a looooooong time


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 Post subject: Re: ESPN Stats: Ben is 18 for 19 on 4th and 1 QB Sneaks!
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Jeemie wrote:
Whatever he was doing, Jobu, he had time to notice Jax in disarray.

To be honest, Jax wasn’t really in disarray. They only had 10 on the field, but were lined up and had the middle of the line stacked. I believe the QB sneak could have earned the first down, but it wasn’t a slam dunk.
Two things I noticed on re-watch...the Jags DT opposite DeCastro jumped into the neutral zone...if DD reacts its a free 5 yards. On the third down play, the first sweep, it looks like Bell may have actually made the first down line. No replay...no challenge.
Dumb fucks all around.

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Jobus Rum wrote:
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Whatever he was doing, Jobu, he had time to notice Jax in disarray.

To be honest, Jax wasn’t really in disarray. They only had 10 on the field, but were lined up and had the middle of the line stacked. I believe the QB sneak could have earned the first down, but it wasn’t a slam dunk.
Two things I noticed on re-watch...the Jags DT opposite DeCastro jumped into the neutral zone...if DD reacts its a free 5 yards. On the third down play, the first sweep, it looks like Bell may have actually made the first down line. No replay...no challenge.
Dumb fucks all around.


Situational football. We found in the Tennessee/Patriots game that the Pats are coached to jump if a defender jumps into the neutral zone.

I’m sure our guys don’t get coached to do that.

PS I thought the Steelers should have challenged the third down spot as well, but not sure it would have been conclusive.

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 Post subject: Re: ESPN Stats: Ben is 18 for 19 on 4th and 1 QB Sneaks!
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Jobus Rum wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
Whatever he was doing, Jobu, he had time to notice Jax in disarray.

To be honest, Jax wasn’t really in disarray. They only had 10 on the field, but were lined up and had the middle of the line stacked. I believe the QB sneak could have earned the first down, but it wasn’t a slam dunk.
Two things I noticed on re-watch...the Jags DT opposite DeCastro jumped into the neutral zone...if DD reacts its a free 5 yards. On the third down play, the first sweep, it looks like Bell may have actually made the first down line. No replay...no challenge.
Dumb fucks all around.


Saw the jump live. I THOUGHT they were looking to draw them offsides and failed to snap it anyway...confused the hell out of me. Then I convinced myself maybe he never entered the neutral zone....either way, you're right...if DD reacts to him, maybe they get the free 1st down. Didn't even think of that.


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