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 Post subject: Re: The Onside Kick
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:56 pm 
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So in 14 years of NFL play and 4 years of college Ben has never had a coach teach him game management?


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 Post subject: Re: The Onside Kick
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:05 pm 
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StillerDownSouth wrote:
So in 14 years of NFL play and 4 years of college Ben has never had a coach teach him game management?


Had they called a QB sneak this wouldn’t even be a topic.
Had they kicked it deep instead of the onsides kick this wouldn’t be a topic.
Had Haley had Bell in the backfield on the opening series....
Had Eli Rogers fielded that first punt....
Had they called a QB sneak....


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 Post subject: Re: The Onside Kick
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:10 pm 
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Then don’t forget that had we recovered the onsides kick, and scored a touchdown that close, there would have been too much god damn time left with Tomlin’s untrustworthy defense. We probably would have scored the touchdown to tie it up with 30 seconds left in all probability. His argument is so full of holes. He flat out made one of the stupidest NFL coaching decisions ever.


I’ve made mention of this as well. Had everything worked out as planned we are still faced with putting our D back on the field.

Jville had 4 time outs at there disposal. So it’s not like we could have bled clock while trying to tie it.

I will concede that IF everything works out perfectly it would have been better to kick after tieing it because that forces them pretty much intopass only mode as they would have already burned their TOs trying to stop us.

But then, we’ve seen that movie before too

Tomlin & Lebeau “smashing the run” in freaking modified OT where they came out of a TV time out with literally ALL 11 defenders within 5 yards of the LOS. Oh noooo. Tebow might break if a 15 yarder.

Just face it people. Tomlin is NOT a smart tactician. He has other qualities but dude can not be in charge of shit in the heat of the moment. It is hose times that reveal his true character and unfortunately for us that character is that of a mental midget.

At the least we can be thankful he pulled one Super Bowl. Thanks no doubt to an amazing throw from Ben and an even better catch by Holmes.

They don’t connect we are very likely adding “largest 4th quarter collapse in SB history” to this fucking idiots resume.

Not sure if the wet fart the Falcons shat out last year would have surpassed it or not. Would have been biggest collapse up to that point regardless


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 Post subject: Re: The Onside Kick
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:12 pm 
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StillerDownSouth wrote:
What are you talking about Gonzo, there was 1 second on the clock on final kick off, clock starts once ball is touched and had we recovered we could’t advance it. Only way PS could have scored was if they kicked it and the ball somehow made it to the endzone with us recovering it.


The kicking team can score off a fumble. The could pop up the kick and hope the catch is muffed
Kick it hard at someone and hope the are fool enough to not fair catch and try to run and fumble


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 Post subject: Re: The Onside Kick
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:22 pm 
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955876 wrote:
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Then don’t forget that had we recovered the onsides kick, and scored a touchdown that close, there would have been too much god damn time left with Tomlin’s untrustworthy defense. We probably would have scored the touchdown to tie it up with 30 seconds left in all probability. His argument is so full of holes. He flat out made one of the stupidest NFL coaching decisions ever.


I’ve made mention of this as well. Had everything worked out as planned we are still faced with putting our D back on the field.

Jville had 4 time outs at there disposal. So it’s not like we could have bled clock while trying to tie it.

I will concede that IF everything works out perfectly it would have been better to kick after tieing it because that forces them pretty much intopass only mode as they would have already burned their TOs trying to stop us.

But then, we’ve seen that movie before too

Tomlin & Lebeau “smashing the run” in freaking modified OT where they came out of a TV time out with literally ALL 11 defenders within 5 yards of the LOS. Oh noooo. Tebow might break if a 15 yarder.

Just face it people. Tomlin is NOT a smart tactician. He has other qualities but dude can not be in charge of shit in the heat of the moment. It is hose times that reveal his true character and unfortunately for us that character is that of a mental midget.

At the least we can be thankful he pulled one Super Bowl. Thanks no doubt to an amazing throw from Ben and an even better catch by Holmes.

They don’t connect we are very likely adding “largest 4th quarter collapse in SB history” to this fucking idiots resume.

Not sure if the wet fart the Falcons shat out last year would have surpassed it or not. Would have been biggest collapse up to that point regardless


Disagree with one point; it was an amazing catch and even a better throw!


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 Post subject: Re: The Onside Kick
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:38 pm 
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955876 wrote:
And that punt would have pinned us deep. Giving us further to go on what was already going to be limited time.

10-15 yards of FP probably. That's not much.

A punt from just inside the 40, probably you get it at the 10 or 15. A punt from their 34 you fair catch around the 20 or 25.

I thought the call was 50/50 at the time, although the computer models say the onside was a whisker better chance. Neither option had better than a 4% chance of becoming a win.

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 Post subject: Re: The Onside Kick
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:40 pm 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
955876 wrote:
And that punt would have pinned us deep. Giving us further to go on what was already going to be limited time.

10-15 yards of FP probably. That's not much.

A punt from just inside the 40, probably you get it at the 10 or 15. A punt from their 34 you fair catch around the 20 or 25.

I thought the call was 50/50 at the time, although the computer models say the onside was a whisker better chance. Neither option had better than a 4% chance of becoming a win.



Sorry but i call BS


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 Post subject: Re: The Onside Kick
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:44 pm 
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Gonzo wrote:
StillerDownSouth wrote:
What are you talking about Gonzo, there was 1 second on the clock on final kick off, clock starts once ball is touched and had we recovered we could’t advance it. Only way PS could have scored was if they kicked it and the ball somehow made it to the endzone with us recovering it.


The kicking team can score off a fumble. The could pop up the kick and hope the catch is muffed
Kick it hard at someone and hope the are fool enough to not fair catch and try to run and fumble



Cant advance a muff.


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 Post subject: Re: The Onside Kick
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:45 pm 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
955876 wrote:
And that punt would have pinned us deep. Giving us further to go on what was already going to be limited time.

10-15 yards of FP probably. That's not much.

A punt from just inside the 40, probably you get it at the 10 or 15. A punt from their 34 you fair catch around the 20 or 25.

I thought the call was 50/50 at the time, although the computer models say the onside was a whisker better chance. Neither option had better than a 4% chance of becoming a win.


You're underestimating....see other OP. More like 25 yards dif in FP....and Steelers needing a TD to tie.

Minimizing the difference in yardage needed is akin to Tomlin throwing away precious seconds before calling timeout.


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 Post subject: Re: The Onside Kick
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:47 pm 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
955876 wrote:
And that punt would have pinned us deep. Giving us further to go on what was already going to be limited time.

10-15 yards of FP probably. That's not much.

A punt from just inside the 40, probably you get it at the 10 or 15. A punt from their 34 you fair catch around the 20 or 25.

I thought the call was 50/50 at the time, although the computer models say the onside was a whisker better chance. Neither option had better than a 4% chance of becoming a win.



This is exactly the point I was making earlier in this thread. It was not a no brainer kick it deep scenario, although as I stated earlier I would have preferred to pooch into a voided hole onside variety.


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