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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:19 pm 
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45 divided by 29 equals 1.55 points per minute. That is what happened every time Jax touched the ball. Jax had a time of possession of 28:50.

Had we converted one 4th and one; said another way, had had we done one QB sneak we would have eaten up another 140 seconds or 2 minutes and 20 seconds.

2:20 seconds times 1.55 equals 3.62 points taken off the board!

Steelers victory!!!!!

Unbelievable!


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 Post subject: Re: 45/29
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I really don't think enough credit is being given to Jacksonville and Blake Bortles. Our offense did everything it could to seize momentum and the Jaguars answered every single time.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:03 am 
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45 divided by 29 equals 1.55 points per minute. That is what happened every time Jax touched the ball. Jax had a time of possession of 28:50.

Had we converted one 4th and one; said another way, had had we done one QB sneak we would have eaten up another 140 seconds or 2 minutes and 20 seconds.

2:20 seconds times 1.55 equals 3.62 points taken off the board!

Steelers victory!!!!!

Unbelievable!


The 2nd 4th and 1 lead to a 14 point swing, had we been able to pick up the yard, drive and score, it would have been tied, instead a couple minutes later we're down 14 again.


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 Post subject: Re: 45/29
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:04 am 
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StillerInCT wrote:
I really don't think enough credit is being given to Jacksonville and Blake Bortles. Our offense did everything it could to seize momentum and the Jaguars answered every single time.


The Jags didn't make any spectacular plays, really. They just took advantage of the defensive meltdown. The backbreaker play, for example, was a 5 yard pass to Yeldon that he then ran for 35 more yards because the Defense let him run free. In contrast, Ben, Brown, Bell, and Bryant kept the Steelers in the game with a series of miracle plays. If anything, this game highlighted that the Steelers' D was a much bigger liability than anyone really thought going into the game.


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 Post subject: Re: 45/29
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:06 am 
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StillerInCT wrote:
I really don't think enough credit is being given to Jacksonville and Blake Bortles. Our offense did everything it could to seize momentum and the Jaguars answered every single time.

Agree but I also don't think the Steelers D is getting criticized the way it should be - I am still in a bit of shock that Butler will be back.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see many changes at all on that defense accept replacing Shazier and it will probably be somebody like Timmons. I doubt we see a new starting FS - that will be Mike Mitchell's job to finish out his contract. They will draft depth at DL, LB, S, maybe another CB but what you see today is what you are going to get.

Hope I am wrong but doubt it.


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 Post subject: Re: 45/29
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Suwanee88 wrote:
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I really don't think enough credit is being given to Jacksonville and Blake Bortles. Our offense did everything it could to seize momentum and the Jaguars answered every single time.

Agree but I also don't think the Steelers D is getting criticized the way it should be - I am still in a bit of shock that Butler will be back.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see many changes at all on that defense accept replacing Shazier and it will probably be somebody like Timmons. I doubt we see a new starting FS - that will be Mike Mitchell's job to finish out his contract. They will draft depth at DL, LB, S, maybe another CB but what you see today is what you are going to get.

Hope I am wrong but doubt it.


I'm not sure its possible to do a worse job than Butler did in our last two playoff games. They could have put the offense out there to play D, and the result may have been the same.


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 Post subject: Re: 45/29
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StillerInCT wrote:
I really don't think enough credit is being given to Jacksonville and Blake Bortles. Our offense did everything it could to seize momentum and the Jaguars answered every single time.

Agree but I also don't think the Steelers D is getting criticized the way it should be - I am still in a bit of shock that Butler will be back.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see many changes at all on that defense accept replacing Shazier and it will probably be somebody like Timmons. I doubt we see a new starting FS - that will be Mike Mitchell's job to finish out his contract. They will draft depth at DL, LB, S, maybe another CB but what you see today is what you are going to get.

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 Post subject: Re: 45/29
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Butler sucks.

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 Post subject: Re: 45/29
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W&M_Steeler wrote:
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I really don't think enough credit is being given to Jacksonville and Blake Bortles. Our offense did everything it could to seize momentum and the Jaguars answered every single time.


The Jags didn't make any spectacular plays, really. They just took advantage of the defensive meltdown. The backbreaker play, for example, was a 5 yard pass to Yeldon that he then ran for 35 more yards because the Defense let him run free. In contrast, Ben, Brown, Bell, and Bryant kept the Steelers in the game with a series of miracle plays. If anything, this game highlighted that the Steelers' D was a much bigger liability than anyone really thought going into the game.


I blame coaching all the way around. I know the team practiced hard both weeks leading up to the game. They just appeared to have practiced for the Buffalo Bills. I don't give either coach a pass in this - Tomlin is absolutely where the buck stops. Preparation, decisions in crucial moments.... Haley, yes, they put up 45 points, but situational football is his kryptonite. Butler - yes, the MLB's were glaring weaknesses. Was it possible to disguise the weakness?

The Jaguars are the bigger, faster more talented team. Steelers offensive skill positions are definitely greater, but beyond that, Jax has a roster of studs. This is one of a few teams that the Steelers cannot line up against and push around. In spite of all that, the steelers had enough talent, skill, and home field advantage to secure a victory, and they failed. Despite news from yesterday, I think either Porter or Lake may not return for 2018.

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 Post subject: Re: 45/29
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StillerInCT wrote:
I really don't think enough credit is being given to Jacksonville and Blake Bortles. Our offense did everything it could to seize momentum and the Jaguars answered every single time.


I don't think enough discredit is being given to our defense. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: 45/29
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I think the glaring difference between Haley and Butler is that Haley has all pro's and HOF destined players. Butler not so much. Maybe one, so far in Heyward. Shaz doesn't count because he's been our for a few weeks.

Haley hamstrung the offense, while Butler did what he could considering the talent/ football smarts level. Not sure moving Watt to the inside would have helped. Unless he was already prepared to do that to cover for Spence. Then who would take the outside? Player deficiency was more to blame on defense, while coaching deficiency was glaring on offense.

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 Post subject: Re: 45/29
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Disagree. The all pros and potential HOFers are a result of good coaching as well. The coaching is missing many of the ingredients needed to make the All Pros. Why would the talent selection process work for the offense and not defense? Answer poor coaching and talent evaluation; no teaching, nurturing and consistent execution.


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 Post subject: Re: 45/29
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The one thing I'll concede is that they had zero contingencies for Shaz going down. Big mistake.

Every draft pick will either succeed or fail. I think the odds of success favor the offensive player over the defensive player in the short term - with the exception of QB for obvious reasons. Then there are outliers, which aren't necessarily that easy to find. AB was a SIXTH round pick. James Harrison went un-drafted.

How many playmakers like Shaz on the defensive side of the ball exist in the entire NFL? And how do you get them consistently drafting at 28-32?

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 Post subject: Re: 45/29
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StillerInCT wrote:
I really don't think enough credit is being given to Jacksonville and Blake Bortles. Our offense did everything it could to seize momentum and the Jaguars answered every single time.


It isn't like they had a difficult time against that Steelers defense. I wouldn't give Bortles and the offense too much credit. Let's see how they do against NE.


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Scarletfire1970 wrote:
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I really don't think enough credit is being given to Jacksonville and Blake Bortles. Our offense did everything it could to seize momentum and the Jaguars answered every single time.


It isn't like they had a difficult time against that Steelers defense. I wouldn't give Bortles and the offense too much credit. Let's see how they do against NE.

My fear is they'll be held to 10 points. Still, Romo said the Jag-Steeler game would be close, and he said he thought the Jags were a better matchup against the Pats. At this point, let's hope so.


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 Post subject: Re: 45/29
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StillerInCT wrote:
I really don't think enough credit is being given to Jacksonville and Blake Bortles. Our offense did everything it could to seize momentum and the Jaguars answered every single time.


You may be right. Might not know until next season though.


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 Post subject: Re: 45/29
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The one thing I'll concede is that they had zero contingencies for Shaz going down. Big mistake.

Every draft pick will either succeed or fail. I think the odds of success favor the offensive player over the defensive player in the short term - with the exception of QB for obvious reasons. Then there are outliers, which aren't necessarily that easy to find. AB was a SIXTH round pick. James Harrison went un-drafted.

How many playmakers like Shaz on the defensive side of the ball exist in the entire NFL? And how do you get them consistently drafting at 28-32?


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 Post subject: Re: 45/29
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StillerInCT wrote:
I really don't think enough credit is being given to Jacksonville and Blake Bortles. Our offense did everything it could to seize momentum and the Jaguars answered every single time.


You sure CT?

We had the ball TWICE down 28-21 and called some stale ass plays...punted both possessions.

We could have put more heat on BB and maybe he would have felt the pressure of a tie game and threw a duck. Anyone got the play calls on those two possessions?


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