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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:45 pm 
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http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Ben-went-down-Byron-stepped-up/0097621a-e507-42c2-8e08-64022c5218ff

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Just before the half Ben Roethlisbergergot the Steelers offense clicking completing a nine-yard pass to Santonio Holmes had a 14-yarder to Hines Ward. Roethlisberger punched it into the end zone for the game’s first touchdown on a one-yard quarterback sneak, but it came at a price. Roethlisberger injured his right shoulder on the play, and was replaced in the second half by Byron Leftwich.


I've cited this game/circumstance....REPEATEDLY, in repeated OPs.

And there's this.....

http://www.steelers.com/news/labriola-o ... 23bc72a5b4


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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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I've cited this game/circumstance....REPEATEDLY, in repeated OPs.

And there's this.....

http://www.steelers.com/news/labriola-o ... 23bc72a5b4



Tomlin is never going to say "Ben doesn't want to run the sneak". Whether it's Ben or EMR, Tomlin is going to give you a bullshit justification...that no other coach believes and one Tomlin himself apparently didn't believe prior to 2014.

Ben talked about this on the radio the other day. He was very convincing and went into detail - curiously great detail - about why he can't just go lone wolf and run it. Problem is, he said after BAL last year that if AB was short he was going to run up and sneak it. I also believe years ago he goosed Pouncey and decided to sneak it on one of those "draw them offsides" plays.

So Ben has made some contradictory statements on the subject, and I don't think anyone really believes he doesn't run a QB sneak if he really wants to.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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B2B i guess someone hijacked your computer earlier because the Tomlin apologist is back again. :D

I guess we re back to the potted plant theory. Tomlin has no control, over anything and all he does is say yes sir, right away sir. Seriously, im with Swiss now, we wont win jack shit with Tomlin unless our stars totally ball out, and they take Tomlin along for the ride, this guy is all talk and zero action, beyond a joke that he has a defensive background and his defense sucks balls, he makes changes and adjustments to his teams at a glacier like pace,..its a shame too, listening to him, im all on board, but when you see the shit he pulls on gamedays, its just beyond mind boggling and stupid.

That last interview that Swiss posted with Tomlin and about sneaks is so telling and downright stupid, it is 100% on MT that we dont run the QB sneak, what a buffoon and joke of a HC.


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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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So there is nobody in the organization that sees the value, and very low risk, of running a sneak? I mean, shall I get back on my crazy pills?


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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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GreekSteel wrote:
That last interview that Swiss posted with Tomlin and about sneaks is so telling and downright stupid, it is 100% on MT that we dont run the QB sneak, what a buffoon and joke of a HC.


I suppose if my coaching success relied so heavily on #7, then I'd keep him in bubble wrap, too.

I think, at best, that was a group decision. I don't think even Tomlin is that stubborn and stupid to reach that conclusion unilaterally. And you've got Haley saying basically the same thing. TWO historically dumb coaches - on the same team - coming to a conclusion no one else in football ever has? I might buy that if they didn't start believing this only just a few years ago....

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That last interview that Swiss posted with Tomlin and about sneaks is so telling and downright stupid, it is 100% on MT that we dont run the QB sneak, what a buffoon and joke of a HC.


I suppose if my coaching success relied so heavily on #7, then I'd keep him in bubble wrap, too.

I think, at best, that was a group decision. I don't think even Tomlin is that stubborn and stupid to reach that conclusion unilaterally. And you've got Haley saying basically the same thing. TWO historically dumb coaches - on the same team - coming to a conclusion no one else in football ever has? I might buy that if they didn't start believing this only just a few years ago....




The Deuce Tomlin and Haley, and they probably convinced Ben its in his best interest not to run the QB sneak either, hopefully Fitchner can somehow get in the ear of Tomlin and get that stupid edict erased and changed. I doubt it tho, sounds like Tomlin is a full blown believer of that nonsense.


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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:21 pm 
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Let just ask: How much of what Tomlin says at a PC do you believe is 100% unfettered truth?

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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GreekSteel wrote:
The Deuce Tomlin and Haley, and they probably convinced Ben its in his best interest not to run the QB sneak either, hopefully Fitchner can somehow get in the ear of Tomlin and get that stupid edict erased and changed. I doubt it tho, sounds like Tomlin is a full blown believer of that nonsense.


I think it's the other way around. It's nearly impossible to rationalize an NFL coach reaching that conclusion, much less 2.

And like I said, there are at least two instances where Ben could have, or did, run the sneak unilaterally. Which makes his overly detailed explanation of why he can't all the more suspicious.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Let just ask: How much of what Tomlin says at a PC do you believe is 100% unfettered truth?


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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Let just ask: How much of what Tomlin says at a PC do you believe is 100% unfettered truth?


Going to be hilarious when Ben runs a sneak next year and people try to explain how dumbass Haley convinced Tomlin and Ben to take it out of the playbook.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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And when I say "overly detailed", I mean Tomlin and Ben are making it sound like one of the most basic and fundamental plays in football is more complicated than a reverse option flea flicker with a triple lindsey into the endzone...

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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swissvale72 wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Ben-went-down-Byron-stepped-up/0097621a-e507-42c2-8e08-64022c5218ff

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Just before the half Ben Roethlisbergergot the Steelers offense clicking completing a nine-yard pass to Santonio Holmes had a 14-yarder to Hines Ward. Roethlisberger punched it into the end zone for the game’s first touchdown on a one-yard quarterback sneak, but it came at a price. Roethlisberger injured his right shoulder on the play, and was replaced in the second half by Byron Leftwich.


I've cited this game/circumstance....REPEATEDLY, in repeated OPs.

And there's this.....

http://www.steelers.com/news/labriola-o ... 23bc72a5b4


Old man Brady runs it all the time. Maybe it's the tofu or whatever the fuck he eats why he doesn't get hurt?

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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Old man Brady runs it all the time. Maybe it's the tofu or whatever the fuck he eats why he doesn't get hurt?


I think that might be Giselle's sex robot-Brady that goes into run the sneak

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Ben-went-down-Byron-stepped-up/0097621a-e507-42c2-8e08-64022c5218ff

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Just before the half Ben Roethlisbergergot the Steelers offense clicking completing a nine-yard pass to Santonio Holmes had a 14-yarder to Hines Ward. Roethlisberger punched it into the end zone for the game’s first touchdown on a one-yard quarterback sneak, but it came at a price. Roethlisberger injured his right shoulder on the play, and was replaced in the second half by Byron Leftwich.


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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Let just ask: How much of what Tomlin says at a PC do you believe is 100% unfettered truth?


There are lies, damn lies, and then things said at a press conference.

I've never understood why so many fans hang onto his words in front of the mic. It is complete and utter filler. His only intention is to use it send subtle messages to his team, that's it. The rest is bullshit. But some folks take it as gospel just so they can later dissect it for criticism.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:38 pm 
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I don’t care what tomlin says anymore. My opinion of him has been solidified.

What I’m concerend about is that in a MUST win playoff game, trailing and needing a score, that we have coaches, assistants, coordinators, and whatever the hell else roams the sidelines these days and none of them understand that a sneak on either of those plays drastically improves our chances of winning.

I’ve seen stupidity, and I’ve seen this. This is beyond stupid.


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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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Orangesteel wrote:
I don’t care what tomlin says anymore. My opinion of him has been solidified.


I thought - hoped - this was the year I'd have to eat my words and admit I was wrong. With Cowher, he kept finding different ways to lose but when he finally got Ben, I KNEW.

With Tomlin, he's always had Ben....and seems like he keeps losing the same way.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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I love his press conferences.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Let just ask: How much of what Tomlin says at a PC do you believe is 100% unfettered truth?


There are lies, damn lies, and then things said at a press conference.

I've never understood why so many fans hang onto his words in front of the mic. It is complete and utter filler. His only intention is to use it send subtle messages to his team, that's it. The rest is bullshit. But some folks take it as gospel just so they can later dissect it for criticism.


Listening to Mike Tomlin speak is what initially made me a fan. He comes across as an intelligent individual with a detailed oriented plan of attack for his team.

Watching his actions over 11 seasons has changed my mind. He’s all talk. His talk doesn’t sync with his actions. He makes the same stupid mistakes over and over and shows often that he doesn’t have a very good feel for how a game unfolds.

He is all sizzle and little substance. He’s been given all he needs and more to get this team over the hump but has not done anything with it other than underperform.

Guy has been coach for 11 seasons now and just look at the defense. How many picks in those 11 seasons have become studs?

Not only can’t he target the right players in he draft but many have gotten worse under his tutelage.

Guy is without a SB ring had he inherited a shitty team he was expected to rebuild.


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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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Not buying any of it
The same issues have existed for many years and through many big games.
While the exact instances of failure vary the reason for the failures are generally the same

But we shall see what happens. If the d staff stays the same and we just get the gang back together , well ....


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