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 Post subject: It's official -- Fichtner named OC
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:49 pm 
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Apparently he will also stay the QB coach, per the official website:

http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Fichtner-named-offensive-coordinatorQB-coach/6418e3a6-05ea-437f-b8cb-4352e7b8739d


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When's the last time a Steeler player won a standoff against the coaching staff/front office because of a coach they disliked?

This whole chain of events basically says to Ben: You were right; we were wrong. Please don't leave. We're sorry.


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I like to see a statement by Haley.

That would be fun.

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If Cuntlin’s still I’m charge it won’t matter.

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Laying the Wood wrote:
When's the last time a Steeler player won a standoff against the coaching staff/front office because of a coach they disliked?

This whole chain of events basically says to Ben: You were right; we were wrong. Please don't leave. We're sorry.



Which maybe rekindles another interesting debate.....was Ben being intentionally lazy, disinterested and checked-out early in the year because of Haley?

You think Ben just gave Haley the rope to hang himself.....and then EMR/Tomlin finally said "ok, Haley's gone - do whatever, call whatever you want"? Because, coincidentally, things changed dramatically about the time Haley went upstairs and Fitchner came down.

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Ben never checked out. His play was stellar all season. Even the Jax 5 int game he was still throwing darts and hitting the bull’s eye.


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The one comment made me laugh. “Congratulations Mr. Fitchner. Please add QB sneak to playbook”


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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Ben never checked out. His play was stellar all season. Even the Jax 5 int game he was still throwing darts and hitting the bull’s eye.


I agree he wasn't nearly as bad as many here claimed. But his throws WERE off, a little, early in the year. And there can be a number of reasons for that. But not putting in the film work, maybe not audibling when he should....playing just well enough to win. Interesting theory for a "dumb" guy who appears to have strategized a way to get Haley out.

But I'm talking about how often they ran the U offense the first half of the year in contrast with the second half. What I meant was Ben said "ok, I'll run the plays you call....I'll rubber stamp your gameplan....and watch you hang yourself".

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So this means ......the other shoes drop?

I think Ben is now top rooster......over Tomlin too

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Now, just get Tomlin the hell out of the way - of the offense at least - and let Ben and Randy put up 40 pts a game with all the weapons they have as they are used properly.

Tomlin needs to stop worrying about letting the dumb "grown men" be their own man. Some can handle it, like Haden, Watt, Vince, Davis and the DL guys, but some can't. Guys like Burns, Bud and Mitchell need to have a short leash, because they're to dumb/stubborn to make the right choices on their own. Hell, Mitchell just needs to be gone.

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BethlehemSteel wrote:
So this means ......the other shoes drop?

I think Ben is now top rooster......over Tomlin too

I think I'm okay with that.

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Poltargyst wrote:
BethlehemSteel wrote:
So this means ......the other shoes drop?

I think Ben is now top rooster......over Tomlin too

I think I'm okay with that.


I know I am.

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Obviously wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:
BethlehemSteel wrote:
So this means ......the other shoes drop?

I think Ben is now top rooster......over Tomlin too

I think I'm okay with that.


I know I am.



I wonder how good Ben is at calling defensive plays.... 8-)

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In 1998, who would have guessed that in 20 years three members of the 4-8 Arkansas State Red Wolves football team coaching staff would be the Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator, and Defense Coordinator of the Pittsburgh Steelers? Weird.


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W&M_Steeler wrote:
In 1998, who would have guessed that in 20 years three members of the 4-8 Arkansas State Red Wolves football team coaching staff would be the Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator, and Defense Coordinator of the Pittsburgh Steelers? Weird.


I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.


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Ive read that the Haley wasnt only rubbing Ben the wrong way but Tomlin as well, I guess EMR said no firing him, wait til seasons end and dont rehire him, and it didnt take Tomlin long at all to issue a very bland and quick statement.

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GreekSteel wrote:
Ive read that the Haley wasnt only rubbing Ben the wrong way but Tomlin as well, I guess EMR said no firing him, wait til seasons end and dont rehire him, and it didnt take Tomlin long at all to issue a very bland and quick statement.

Huge mistake to not fire Haley after Week 5 or 6. They should have at least banished him to the press box and let Fitchner call the plays.

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Ive read that the Haley wasnt only rubbing Ben the wrong way but Tomlin as well


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In all seriousness, I think the "U" offense was all Haley...and that Tomlin and Ben had had enough.

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Kodiak wrote:
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Ive read that the Haley wasnt only rubbing Ben the wrong way but Tomlin as well


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There was something very dark and dangerous about that Ben in the picture. More like Brady he was cocky, hungry and wanted to be the best ever. The situation that got him suspended took an edge from him that's he's now become a careful, kinda safe player.
That guy was reckless, dove head first in both SB victories (one score, one reversed on replay).
There's more to this QB sneak story than meet the eye.

At least now that he has his coordinator we know there will be better communication in tight end-of-game football situations.
Without question the Haley/Ben marriage cost the best receiver and running back a chance to show out on the NFL's biggest stage (both against NE & Jax).
And Tomlin wasn't man enough to get it corrected in time to save the season.


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GreekSteel wrote:
Ive read that the Haley wasnt only rubbing Ben the wrong way but Tomlin as well, I guess EMR said no firing him, wait til seasons end and dont rehire him, and it didnt take Tomlin long at all to issue a very bland and quick statement.


I'd be interested to read that article? Do you have a link?

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GreekSteel wrote:
Ive read that the Haley wasnt only rubbing Ben the wrong way but Tomlin as well, I guess EMR said no firing him, wait til seasons end and dont rehire him, and it didnt take Tomlin long at all to issue a very bland and quick statement.


I'd be interested to read that article? Do you have a link?




ill try to find it and post it

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GreekSteel wrote:
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Ive read that the Haley wasnt only rubbing Ben the wrong way but Tomlin as well, I guess EMR said no firing him, wait til seasons end and dont rehire him, and it didnt take Tomlin long at all to issue a very bland and quick statement.


I'd be interested to read that article? Do you have a link?




ill try to find it and post it


Appreciate it, Greek!

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Ben has to be frustrating with the antics from this team and lack of response from his head coach


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By Mark Kaboly 1 hour ago
It took weeks for both Todd Haley and Ben Roethlisberger to connect the last time the Steelers hired an offensive coordinator. It's a safe bet that won't be the case this time around.

The Steelers promoted longtime quarterback coach Randy Fichtner to lead the Steelers' offense 24 hours after informing Haley that they weren't going to offer him a contract extension after six years with the Steelers.

While Roethlisberger and Haley butted heads on some level from the beginning, that won't be the case with the 54-year-old Fichtner, who has been working closely with Roethlisberger for the past eight seasons. It's believed that Roethlisberger was partly responsible for the departure of Haley and the promotion of Fichtner.

“We have fun together. We've spent a lot of time together,” Fichtner said.

Fichtner spoke glowingly of Roethlisberger during an interview with The Athletic in November marveling at the quarterback's work ethic and his love of the game while laughing at some outside perspective that Roethlisberger's ability was on the decline.

“His in-helmet perspective in the game is irreplaceable because he has so many reps,” Fichtner said. “He's thrown for 50,000 yards. That's just a lot of plays. A lot of seeing of the defense. That's a lot of having a play called, knowing when he sees a look and believes that it is the right thing to do.”

Fichtner will take over the offense but Roethlisberger will surely have a big say in the game plan beforehand and also in-game. Over the past few years, Roethlisberger has taken more control of the offense even if Haley has been somewhat reluctant to relinquish some of his play-calling responsibilities.

Fichtner and Roethlisberger get along so well that it was Roethlisberger who lobbied Mike Tomlin to move Fichtner from the press box to the field midway through the season.

While there was a CBS report before the Christmas day game against the Texans saying the move was created to provide a buffer between the feuding Haley and Roethlisberger, it was also partly for Roethlisberger to have his somebody to talk to face-to-face when he came off the field — something he hasn't had since Fichtner went to the box when Haley arrived in 2012..

“I don't have to go to the phone to talk to Randy or go to the headset to talk to him. I can just go over and talk to him,” Roethlisberger told The Athletic in November. “Because our meeting room is me, Landry (Jones), (Joshua) Dobbs and Randy, we know about all the things we talk about all week. Now we get on the sidelines and we can have a quarterback meeting. I will be like, 'Randy, we didn't talk about that during the week' or 'when did we talk about that?' It's a quarterback meeting right on the field.”

The change instantly resulted in better play out of Roethlisberger.

Before the move (prior to the Week 8 game against the Lions), Roethlisberger was averaging 249 yards, 1.3 touchdown passes and 21 points per game to go along with an 81.8 quarterback rating in seven games. After the move, he averaged 331 yards, 2.7 touchdowns, 30 points to go along with a 103.4 rating in nine games.

Fichtner couldn't explain the difference when asked.

“Whether it's calming or not or whether it's clear communication between him, me, Todd, the rest of the offensive coaches and the head coach, I don't know,” Fichtner said.

The hot second-half of the season has invigorated Roethlisberger, who immediately announced that he would be back for 2018 after waiting months to do so a year ago.

“I giggle when I hear he doesn't have the love for the game anymore,” Fichtner said. “It's sort of a running joke inside the building.”

Roethlisberger has made the Pro Bowl in each of his last four seasons while averaging 298 yards per game and 28 touchdowns per season. A lot of the Steelers' success during that period came out of the no-huddle.

Not by surprise, Roethlisberger lobbied to run more no-huddle because he was permitted to call plays. However, the number of no-huddle plays stayed the about the same during the past four seasons — 183, 193, 178 and 194.

Fichtner said that Roethlisberger's quarterback smarts are at its all-time highest.

“Absolutely, the mental part of the game is the highest it’s been in his career, for sure,” Fichtner said. “He has a lot of alternatives, options, pre-snap and post-snap. Not to mention the no-huddle, which is all on him. As I mentioned before, he’s the point man. He’s running a lot of different people. As far as to make decisions to run the football, to throw it or to check a lot of plays from pass to run and run to pass, run to run, pass to pass, he’s responsible for it.”

It's likely that Fichtner will keep that the same as well as the majority of the offense that was installed by Haley.

Roethlisberger on Tuesday said that he wanted the coaching staff to stay intact because “we're on the cusp” of a championship. Installing a new offense would be counterproductive especially for a soon-to-be 36-year old.

“I think that the important thing is we've got a really good group here – that includes coaches and players, a special group,” Roethlisberger said during his weekly radio segment on KDKA-FM. “The least amount of change, the better. That goes for players, coaches, and everything – we don't want big changes. We're right there.”

When Haley took over in 2012 he totally scrapped Bruce Arians' system and installed his own. Roethlisberger routinely complained how difficult Haley's offense was to learn, especially the terminology. Not surprisingly, that first year was the worst statistically for the Haley/Roethlisberger regime — 22nd in points and 21st in yards as the Steelers stumbled from back-to-back 12-4 seasons to 8-8.

“He only wants to win. Really, that's all he wants to do,” Fichtner said in November. “We talk about throwing it to our colored jerseys, how to push it to the end zone and take our shots when they are there to try to score touchdowns.”

Fichtner's resume includes stops at Arkansas State (1997-2000) and Memphis (2001-06) as offensive coordinators before being hired by Tomlin (who coached with Fichtner at Arkansas State) as wide receiver coach in 2007. Fichtner took over the quarterback coaching duties in 2010 after Ken Anderson retired.

“We have a tremendous roster, and it will be my charge to continue putting our offensive players in position to succeed and score points,” Fichtner said in a statement on Thursday. “We have the nucleus to be successful, and I am thrilled about the chance to lead the offense as we have already started preparing for the 2018 season.”

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