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 Post subject: Ben miffed at Tomlin, not just his ex-OC? Cowherd says yes.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:23 pm 
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Didn't see this being discussed. If it has been, ignore or mods delete.

Obviously Cowherd wants to attract listeners, so who knows, but:

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I have this sourced. Big Ben is massively frustrated with Mike Tomlin. That was the seventh time he has called out the coaching staff-- that was the most direct.


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And Ben-- I've got it sourced-- isn't happy and he saw this as a rare opportunity. He's so frustrated with the lack of discipline-- to pile on.


Having this "sourced" is awfully vague.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxspo ... 3famp=true

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 Post subject: Re: Ben miffed at Tomlin, not just his ex-OC? Cowherd says y
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Tomlin's an utter DUMBFUCK.

Ben isn't winning anymore championships with this hatchet wound coaching him.

It would be hilarious if Ben retired then we'd get to see the real Mike Cuntlin, defensive guru.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben miffed at Tomlin, not just his ex-OC? Cowherd says y
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Watched that yesterday...but every example is public incidents...Nothing unique or behind the scenes, so who knows what he means by "sourced".

I also question his theory that Ben waited for the media storm before piling on. Ben said it on his scheduled radio show.

Suppose it's a possibility, and it wouldn't surprise me if Ben was frustrated with Tomlin....but as a story it would have more meat to it if his source gave us something new I think.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben miffed at Tomlin, not just his ex-OC? Cowherd says y
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Media loves to pile on. My guess is, if Ben is frustrated with Tomlin, that was mostly with respect to Haley....so that's over.

You don't say you're playing for 3 more years if you're looking for Tomlin to get canned. On the other hand, he DID walk that back.

Regardless of what Ben thinks of Tomlin, I can't imagine he's OK with the entire defensive staff coming back (and Danny Smith, WTF?!?).

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Kodiak wrote:
Media loves to pile on. My guess is, if Ben is frustrated with Tomlin, that was mostly with respect to Haley....so that's over.

You don't say you're playing for 3 more years if you're looking for Tomlin to get canned. On the other hand, he DID walk that back.

Regardless of what Ben thinks of Tomlin, I can't imagine he's OK with the entire defensive staff coming back (and Danny Smith, WTF?!?).


Another part of Cowherd's theory was, whereas last year Ben said he was retiring in an attempt to get rid of the coaches, this year he is saying he is staying...thinking that if he says he'll stay long term then ownership might be more willing to make a move.


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The thing with Danny Smith and why they are bringing him back is because the special teams units did improve the second half of the season. There are a number of big splash plays that I remember this season, the blocked punt recovered for a TD, the Robert Golden fake punt/throw for a first down, the Robert Golden blocked punt in this playoff game, the JuJu kickoff return TD, Eli Rogers doing a better job of returning punts as the season came to a close. Say what you want, and I have been very critical of him and wanted him gone, but the units did improve this year, are trending upwards.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben miffed at Tomlin, not just his ex-OC? Cowherd says y
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Literally nothing to this.

I have more sources in the organization than Cowherd does.

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Miter Saw wrote:
Watched that yesterday...but every example is public incidents...Nothing unique or behind the scenes, so who knows what he means by "sourced".

I also question his theory that Ben waited for the media storm before piling on. Ben said it on his scheduled radio show.

Suppose it's a possibility, and it wouldn't surprise me if Ben was frustrated with Tomlin....but as a story it would have more meat to it if his source gave us something new I think.


What Cowherd means by "sourced" is "I'm making this up."

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 Post subject: Re: Ben miffed at Tomlin, not just his ex-OC? Cowherd says y
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Tomlin bent Haley's offense over and gave it a horse fucking, unfortunately for Haley, he was the fall guy for the results. Ficht is in for a tough gig if Rooney can't keep Tomlin distracted with press conferences, interviews, and other steelers PR work. Ben's frustration is justified.


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I'm waiting for Haley to blow a gasket and start talking shit about Tomlin. Maybe he can start enough drama to get Tomlin canned. Dreaming is free.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben miffed at Tomlin, not just his ex-OC? Cowherd says y
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RemoAZ wrote:
I'm waiting for Haley to blow a gasket and start talking shit about Tomlin. Maybe he can start enough drama to get Tomlin canned. Dreaming is free.


I don't know. The guy's mouth already ran him out of KC. He badmouths Ben, Tomlin or EMR he's not getting a highschool coaching job.

I think we'll have to wait a few years for him to know he's finished as a coach before he throws anyone under the bus.

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Kodiak wrote:
RemoAZ wrote:
I'm waiting for Haley to blow a gasket and start talking shit about Tomlin. Maybe he can start enough drama to get Tomlin canned. Dreaming is free.


I don't know. The guy's mouth already ran him out of KC. He badmouths Ben, Tomlin or EMR he's not getting a highschool coaching job.

I think we'll have to wait a few years for him to know he's finished as a coach before he throws anyone under the bus.


Well he's lacked good judgement before in some of the shit he's said. There's already a small fire going. We just need someone to poor some rocket fuel on it.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben miffed at Tomlin, not just his ex-OC? Cowherd says y
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Wonder what Ben thinks about the King of the Yinzers?


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 Post subject: Re: Ben miffed at Tomlin, not just his ex-OC? Cowherd says y
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Suwanee88 wrote:
Wonder what Ben thinks about the King of the Yinzers?


They're pretty tight.

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Haley being let go is not the only promblem. No changes on defense is a joke


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 Post subject: Re: Ben miffed at Tomlin, not just his ex-OC? Cowherd says y
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fortythree wrote:
Literally nothing to this.

I have more sources in the organization than Cowherd does.

You're saying the Ben-Tomlin relationship is good?

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Lit, if you cared to come out of the clouds, it was discussed last night

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some good interviews from King and Bradshaw about it too

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Kodiak wrote:
RemoAZ wrote:
I'm waiting for Haley to blow a gasket and start talking shit about Tomlin. Maybe he can start enough drama to get Tomlin canned. Dreaming is free.


I don't know. The guy's mouth already ran him out of KC. He badmouths Ben, Tomlin or EMR he's not getting a highschool coaching job.

I think we'll have to wait a few years for him to know he's finished as a coach before he throws anyone under the bus.


If the Jets don't hire him and he sits dry, you can bet your ass he will drop some bombs, looking like an ass while he spouts off

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 Post subject: Re: Ben miffed at Tomlin, not just his ex-OC? Cowherd says y
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Because of Tomlin Ben hasn’t won shit in 10 years.
I’d say he’s miffed.

Every time that guy speaks I want to throw up.
Tomlin is like the guy in high school who everyone was afraid of because he would tell everyone how tough he is(unleash hell)then when he is approached he shits himself.


How sick of Tomlin’s cliches must Ben be?
Poor guy has heard them day in and day out for 10 years!!

Imagine Ben on Sunday.Scoring TD after TD only to see his sweet talking defensive guru head coach stare blankly as Blake Bortles raped his defense.


Tomlin is a complete fraud but he managed to sell a bridge to the Rooney’s.
So because they fell for it and since they love to boast about having 3 coaches in 100 years Steelers Nation suffers.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben miffed at Tomlin, not just his ex-OC? Cowherd says y
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SOCALSTEEL wrote:
Because of Tomlin Ben hasn’t won shit in 10 years.
I’d say he’s miffed.

Every time that guy speaks I want to throw up.
Tomlin is like the guy in high school who everyone was afraid of because he would tell everyone how tough he is(unleash hell)then when he is approached he shits himself.


How sick of Tomlin’s cliches must Ben be?
Poor guy has heard them day in and day out for 10 years!!

Imagine Ben on Sunday.Scoring TD after TD only to see his sweet talking defensive guru head coach stare blankly as Blake Bortles raped his defense.


Tomlin is a complete fraud but he managed to sell a bridge to the Rooney’s.
So because they fell for it and since they love to boast about having 3 coaches in 100 years Steelers Nation suffers.

Oh, we have another mind reader in the group who knows just what Ben is thinking. That's really cool, what number am I thinking of now?

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That's really cool, what number am I thinking of now?


I'm guessing #2....because that's what most of your posts defending Tomlin smell like

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Poltargyst wrote:
fortythree wrote:
Literally nothing to this.

I have more sources in the organization than Cowherd does.

You're saying the Ben-Tomlin relationship is good?


I don't know the details of their relationship. But I know Cowherd is full of shit.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben miffed at Tomlin, not just his ex-OC? Cowherd says y
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Poltargyst wrote:
SOCALSTEEL wrote:
Because of Tomlin Ben hasn’t won shit in 10 years.
I’d say he’s miffed.

Every time that guy speaks I want to throw up.
Tomlin is like the guy in high school who everyone was afraid of because he would tell everyone how tough he is(unleash hell)then when he is approached he shits himself.


How sick of Tomlin’s cliches must Ben be?
Poor guy has heard them day in and day out for 10 years!!

Imagine Ben on Sunday.Scoring TD after TD only to see his sweet talking defensive guru head coach stare blankly as Blake Bortles raped his defense.


Tomlin is a complete fraud but he managed to sell a bridge to the Rooney’s.
So because they fell for it and since they love to boast about having 3 coaches in 100 years Steelers Nation suffers.

Oh, we have another mind reader in the group who knows just what Ben is thinking. That's really cool, what number am I thinking of now?


Yeah, I'm sure Tomlin's bullshit cliches sound just as fresh today, as when the dumb cocksucker first spewed them.

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Suwanee88 wrote:
Wonder what Ben thinks about the King of the Yinzers?


They're pretty tight.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben miffed at Tomlin, not just his ex-OC? Cowherd says y
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SOCALSTEEL wrote:
Because of Tomlin Ben hasn’t won shit in 10 years.
I’d say he’s miffed.

Every time that guy speaks I want to throw up.
Tomlin is like the guy in high school who everyone was afraid of because he would tell everyone how tough he is(unleash hell)then when he is approached he shits himself.


How sick of Tomlin’s cliches must Ben be?
Poor guy has heard them day in and day out for 10 years!!

Imagine Ben on Sunday.Scoring TD after TD only to see his sweet talking defensive guru head coach stare blankly as Blake Bortles raped his defense.


Tomlin is a complete fraud but he managed to sell a bridge to the Rooney’s.
So because they fell for it and since they love to boast about having 3 coaches in 100 years Steelers Nation suffers.

This...in a nutshell.

We are products of our environments. And, believe me, I have many years of daily, first hand working knowledge of Tomlin's environment. Hell, I have worked closely with some of his relatives, have been in the homes of the type of men and women that raised him. I know the culture and community about as well as someone can without living there.

I'm not here to say that Tomlin is incapable of growth; he's obviously done much better than most from his community. But, if I had to pick one player that Tomlin is more like than you'd think, I'd say Lev Bell (taking into account their age difference). Bell, while wanting to come across has somewhat intelligent and as someone that handles his business, is still very easy to see through and read what he is. Not as smart as he want's you to believe and has more hood in him that he tries to cover up; which makes him still continue to make mistakes most folks learn from already. My comments are not meant to be racist, so please don't interpret them that way. They are reality based. I've spent much of my time helping this community.

Tomlin is great at connecting with players on a personal level and even motivating them, but he's somewhat weak at directing them in an intelligent football IQ way. It's obvious from the in game decisions he makes and the mistakes his players make over and over again. Some players - most of the offense - are smart enough to overcome some of this, but for some on the defense, it's a different story.

I'm fine with Tomlin being the head coach, but only if the FO realizes he's nothing more than a showpiece/motivator (TB was kinda right in his cheerleader comments). Make him agree to them hiring someone to make (have the last word) high football IQ, in game decisions. Don't let him interfere with many of the game plans and play calls. Let Captain Cliché do what he does best and that's it. Otherwise, this team is fighting an uphill battle, imo. I do think Ben is a little fed up with it too. I know, I know...it won't happen....but it should.

I've been trying to tell people who Tomlin really is for years, but mostly stopped because it usually fell on deaf ears.

My two cents again, anyway....


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