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 Post subject: What should Steelers do with Bell?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:23 pm 
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In today's NFL do you really want to pay a RB over $10 mil per, especially a RB that has a ton of mileage, been suspended for drugs, been injured almost every year he's been in the league? Reports are Bell is seeking a deal that pays him over $15 mil per year, which is damn near double the next highest paid RB Devonte Freeman gets, he signed a 5 year 41 million deal. I love Bell, he is a great player, a generational player, but I do not think he scared defenses because he lacks the home run threat. He has benefited greatly playing along side a HOF QB and HOF WR and behind a top 5 line, but how many defenses routinely stack the box against us, I can't recall many. Personally, I would offer him a deal far less than what they reportedly offered him last year, I would offer him maybe a 3 year 30 million dollar extension, if he declined I would first try to find a team that I could work a sign and trade deal out with prior to the franchise tag deadline, if that didn't work then I would let him test the waters, and if he leaves so be it. Then I would use the $14 mil we would have had to pay him if they franchised him to sign a Safety, an ILB and maybe a veteran DL and Corner. Next I would draft a RB with some speed and ability to catch the ball and also bring in 2 or 3 undrafted free agent RB's and let them all compete with Conner and Watson and keep the best 4. Take NE for example, when is the last time they had a stud RB, Corey Dillon maybe? This year they have rolled with D. Lewis, R. Burkhead, J. White and Bolden, none of which were high draft picks, yet they get the job done.


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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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In today's NFL do you really want to pay a RB over $10 mil per, especially a RB that has a ton of mileage, been suspended for drugs, been injured almost every year he's been in the league? Reports are Bell is seeking a deal that pays him over $15 mil per year, which is damn near double the next highest paid RB Devonte Freeman gets, he signed a 5 year 41 million deal. I love Bell, he is a great player, a generational player, but I do not think he scared defenses because he lacks the home run threat. He has benefited greatly playing along side a HOF QB and HOF WR and behind a top 5 line, but how many defenses routinely stack the box against us, I can't recall many. Personally, I would offer him a deal far less than what they reportedly offered him last year, I would offer him maybe a 3 year 30 million dollar extension, if he declined I would first try to find a team that I could work a sign and trade deal out with prior to the franchise tag deadline, if that didn't work then I would let him test the waters, and if he leaves so be it. Then I would use the $14 mil we would have had to pay him if they franchised him to sign a Safety, an ILB and maybe a veteran DL and Corner. Next I would draft a RB with some speed and ability to catch the ball and also bring in 2 or 3 undrafted free agent RB's and let them all compete with Conner and Watson and keep the best 4. Take NE for example, when is the last time they had a stud RB, Corey Dillon maybe? This year they have rolled with D. Lewis, R. Burkhead, J. White and Bolden, none of which were high draft picks, yet they get the job done.


I love Bell. But, this is where I've always been. He has a friggin ton of miles on him. A ton. The Steelers have worked him to the bone. Giving him anything above $10-11 mil per is, imo, payment for past services rendered because I will be surprised if he doesn't start showing signs of wear in the very near future.


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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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Bell is great, but he's not head and shoulders above all other RBs to the point he's worth $15 million+ / year. He has one major hole in his game- he's slow.

Given the needs of the D, I'd rather take the $15 million that would go to Bell next season and use it to shore up the middle of the defense. There's no way Bell would take a lower priced contract for the good of the team. To me, he has Washington Redskin written all over him.

I'd go with Connor, Ridley, and Watson next year, and I might consider drafting a RB early if the right one fell. The Steelers' championship window is short, and a RB is more likely to contribute immediately than a Safety or ILB. I'd also see if DeAngelo Williams has anything left in the tank.


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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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I'm inclined to let him walk, but it's easy to piss away the 10-15M per season on marginal players. Upgrades are no doubt needed at ILB and FS, but there's a chance we get a Mike Mitchell instead of a James Farrior with that money.


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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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if we could guarantee shoring up the defense by trading him and using the savings on defensive signings and draft picks..id let him go and draft his replacement...say Rashaad Penny since Barkely would be long gone...way easier to replace a RB, even 1 as great as Bell is than a middle LBer like Ryan Shazier


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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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Bell is great, but he's not head and shoulders above all other RBs to the point he's worth $15 million+ / year. He has one major hole in his game- he's slow.

Given the needs of the D, I'd rather take the $15 million that would go to Bell next season and use it to shore up the middle of the defense. There's no way Bell would take a lower priced contract for the good of the team. To me, he has Washington Redskin written all over him.

I'd go with Connor, Ridley, and Watson next year, and I might consider drafting a RB early if the right one fell. The Steelers' championship window is short, and a RB is more likely to contribute immediately than a Safety or ILB. I'd also see if DeAngelo Williams has anything left in the tank.


I'n with ya W&M. D has been atrocious - need talent only money can buy!


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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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GreekSteel wrote:
if we could guarantee shoring up the defense by trading him and using the savings on defensive signings and draft picks..id let him go and draft his replacement...say Rashaad Penny since Barkely would be long gone...way easier to replace a RB, even 1 as great as Bell is than a middle LBer like Ryan Shazier



This is where I am at as well, look at what Kareem Hunt (3rd round) did in KC and Kamara (3rd round) in New Orleans. Both of these guys benefited from playing on good offenses with good QB's, I am fairly confident Steelers could draft a guy in 3rd or 4th round and along with Connor and Ridley all could enjoy success just because of the pressure Ben, AB, MB and JuJu can apply to a defense. I would much rather try to sign a solid Safety and ILB with the money we could save by not signing Bell. PS could easily get a guy like Sony Michel, Nick Chubb, Ronald Jones or Kerryon Johnson in the 3rd round.


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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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Cannot trade him unless he signs either a long-term contract or the franchise tag.

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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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Cannot trade him unless he signs either a long-term contract or the franchise tag.



cantt trade his rights? fuck so at best we are looking at a 3rnd comp pick


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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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GreekSteel wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Cannot trade him unless he signs either a long-term contract or the franchise tag.



cantt trade his rights? fuck so at best we are looking at a 3rnd comp pick

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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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If we keep Bell, I'm calling my shot now, I think Big Ben wins the MVP next year and we'll have a top 3 offense, health dependent.

Let him walk? I think our SB chances would drop to about half a percent, so basically, no chance in hell. Remember life before Bell, when we were trying to make Jonathan Dwyer a thing? Trying to convince ourselves that Redman was a stud?

I know, it's heresy to think Bell might be worth 8% of our cap, which is what $15 mil would be for next year. :roll: I think they'll smartly tag him and keep hoping to work out a long term deal.

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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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If we keep Bell, I'm calling my shot now, I think Big Ben wins the MVP next year and we'll have a top 3 offense, health dependent.

Let him walk? I think our SB chances would drop to about half a percent, so basically, no chance in hell. Remember life before Bell, when we were trying to make Jonathan Dwyer a thing? Trying to convince ourselves that Redman was a stud?

I know, it's heresy to think Bell might be worth 8% of our cap, which is what $15 mil would be for next year. :roll: I think they'll smartly tag him and keep hoping to work out a long term deal.


With you on this. I think folks vastly underestimate Bell's importance.

But then I thought we'd be screwed without Bryant blowing up.

Everyone points to break our backs found in R2, 3. We HAVE a sure thing right now. Who knows what we get from the draft.

Tag that ingrate and roll.

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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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If we keep Bell, I'm calling my shot now, I think Big Ben wins the MVP next year and we'll have a top 3 offense, health dependent.

Let him walk? I think our SB chances would drop to about half a percent, so basically, no chance in hell. Remember life before Bell, when we were trying to make Jonathan Dwyer a thing? Trying to convince ourselves that Redman was a stud?

I know, it's heresy to think Bell might be worth 8% of our cap, which is what $15 mil would be for next year. :roll: I think they'll smartly tag him and keep hoping to work out a long term deal.


With you on this. I think folks vastly underestimate Bell's importance.

But then I thought we'd be screwed without Bryant blowing up.

Everyone points to break our backs found in R2, 3. We HAVE a sure thing right now. Who knows what we get from the draft.

Tag that ingrate and roll.


When we had Dwyer and Redman, we didn’t have the other skill talent around Ben that we do now.

However I am torn.

I think we could get by without him and just a nominally good RB in his place.

Not sure I’d want to risk it.

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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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TB wrote:
If we keep Bell, I'm calling my shot now, I think Big Ben wins the MVP next year and we'll have a top 3 offense, health dependent.

Let him walk? I think our SB chances would drop to about half a percent, so basically, no chance in hell. Remember life before Bell, when we were trying to make Jonathan Dwyer a thing? Trying to convince ourselves that Redman was a stud?

I know, it's heresy to think Bell might be worth 8% of our cap, which is what $15 mil would be for next year. :roll: I think they'll smartly tag him and keep hoping to work out a long term deal.


If they can find a way to both keep Bell and significantly strengthen the middle of the defense, then sure. But I don't like their chances of winning a Super Bowl with Hargrave, Spence, Bince, Mitchell, and Davis even if they have Bell.


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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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Jeemie wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
TB wrote:
If we keep Bell, I'm calling my shot now, I think Big Ben wins the MVP next year and we'll have a top 3 offense, health dependent.

Let him walk? I think our SB chances would drop to about half a percent, so basically, no chance in hell. Remember life before Bell, when we were trying to make Jonathan Dwyer a thing? Trying to convince ourselves that Redman was a stud?

I know, it's heresy to think Bell might be worth 8% of our cap, which is what $15 mil would be for next year. :roll: I think they'll smartly tag him and keep hoping to work out a long term deal.


With you on this. I think folks vastly underestimate Bell's importance.

But then I thought we'd be screwed without Bryant blowing up.

Everyone points to break our backs found in R2, 3. We HAVE a sure thing right now. Who knows what we get from the draft.





Tag that ingrate and roll.


When we had Dwyer and Redman, we didn’t have the other skill talent around Ben that we do now.

However I am torn.

I think we could get by without him and just a nominally good RB in his place.

Not sure I’d want to risk it.




ya not saying i love the idea of getting rid of Bell, just that, our defense is so far away from being championship caliber...im actually starting to think the problem may not be the players but the Coaches, and that includes Tomlin whose got his fingerprints all over that defense..


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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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W&M_Steeler wrote:
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If we keep Bell, I'm calling my shot now, I think Big Ben wins the MVP next year and we'll have a top 3 offense, health dependent.

Let him walk? I think our SB chances would drop to about half a percent, so basically, no chance in hell. Remember life before Bell, when we were trying to make Jonathan Dwyer a thing? Trying to convince ourselves that Redman was a stud?

I know, it's heresy to think Bell might be worth 8% of our cap, which is what $15 mil would be for next year. :roll: I think they'll smartly tag him and keep hoping to work out a long term deal.


If they can find a way to both keep Bell and significantly strengthen the middle of the defense, then sure. But I don't like their chances of winning a Super Bowl with Hargrave, Spence, Bince, Mitchell, and Davis even if they have Bell.
I'll put money down that Mitchell, Spence, Sensebaugh, and Gay are gone next year. They'll draft safety's and ILB while keeping an eye on RB. Then the BPA after double dipping on the two most glaring problems with the defense. Pass rrushers, etc. What's strong in this years draft?

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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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tough decision indeed..forgotten on bell the running back is bell the receiver! just losing bell the runner would be ok and replaceable I believe. but the combo is difficult. I'm tore so I just wait and see.


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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Cannot trade him unless he signs either a long-term contract or the franchise tag.


In theory, Colbert could be talking to GMs before/after Bell is FT'd in hopes of finding someone to trade him to.
Now, I get the 1st round picks would be a huge deal and I'm not saying it would happen.
However, it's obvious Bell is just looking for the most money he can get. If a team is willing to give up
the 1sts, they dang sure intend to pay him a ton. If Colbert knows this and Bell knows this, I don't see
why Bell wouldn't run to sign the FT knowing another team is going to pay him a boatload via trade.

Possible B2B?


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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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steelheels wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Cannot trade him unless he signs either a long-term contract or the franchise tag.


In theory, Colbert could be talking to GMs before/after Bell is FT'd in hopes of finding someone to trade him to.
Now, I get the 1st round picks would be a huge deal and I'm not saying it would happen.
However, it's obvious Bell is just looking for the most money he can get. If a team is willing to give up
the 1sts, they dang sure intend to pay him a ton. If Colbert knows this and Bell knows this, I don't see
why Bell wouldn't run to sign the FT knowing another team is going to pay him a boatload via trade.

Possible B2B?


Hershel Walker part deux. He's a 2nd rounder who has excelled for us. Trade him for good draft picks and solid players @ ILB, FS after he signs the FT. I would talk w/ the 49ers and see what we could do.


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 Post subject: Re: What should Steelers do with Bell?
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Stillcajun wrote:
steelheels wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Cannot trade him unless he signs either a long-term contract or the franchise tag.


In theory, Colbert could be talking to GMs before/after Bell is FT'd in hopes of finding someone to trade him to.
Now, I get the 1st round picks would be a huge deal and I'm not saying it would happen.
However, it's obvious Bell is just looking for the most money he can get. If a team is willing to give up
the 1sts, they dang sure intend to pay him a ton. If Colbert knows this and Bell knows this, I don't see
why Bell wouldn't run to sign the FT knowing another team is going to pay him a boatload via trade.

Possible B2B?


Hershel Walker part deux. He's a 2nd rounder who has excelled for us. Trade him for good draft picks and solid players @ ILB, FS after he signs the FT. I would talk w/ the 49ers and see what we could do.

Speaking of the 49ers, I would offer Bell a fair contract, if he balks, let him walk, take your '19 3rd comp pick and sign Carlos Hyde to a much cheaper contract. Dude would look good in our offense. Don't think there would be that much drop off from Bell really.


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