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 Post subject: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V Bell
PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:22 am 
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I 1000% agree --

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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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Disagree.

Some coaches can win with less talent. I don't think this coaching staff can. Retain as much talent as possible.

As bad as that D was, this team was 1-2 bad coaching decisions away from pulling that win out of their ass. Non-dumfuck playcalling at momentum killing times could have been the difference. We don't know yet if Fichtner is that difference over Haley, but he might be.

Revise the schematic on D. Change the base D if necessary. Draft D. It's said players love playing for Tomlin? Use that gift of gab to woo a solid FA on D (ILB, S). He's coaching the probowl. Get in someone's ear. Make them as excited at the prospect of playing for you as Swiss gets when he watches the morning news.

As far as O, I would like them to add some kind of scatback. Maybe someone that can return kicks as well. Quick hitter change of pace to Bell.


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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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Miter Saw wrote:
Disagree.

Some coaches can win with less talent. I don't think this coaching staff can. Retain as much talent as possible.

As bad as that D was, this team was 1-2 bad coaching decisions away from pulling that win out of their ass. Non-dumfuck playcalling at momentum killing times could have been the difference. We don't know yet if Fichtner is that difference over Haley, but he might be.

Revise the schematic on D. Change the base D if necessary. Draft D. It's said players love playing for Tomlin? Use that gift of gab to woo a solid FA on D (ILB, S). He's coaching the probowl. Get in someone's ear. Make them as excited at the prospect of playing for you as Swiss gets when he watches the morning news.

As far as O, I would like them to add some kind of scatback. Maybe someone that can return kicks as well. Quick hitter change of pace to Bell.


Right on, Miter. This team needs to keep ALL of the talent it can.

Mike Tomlin is the NFL's version of Tom Crean.

He claps a lot and throws out some old cliches. That's what he's bringing to the table.

Unless somehow this defense adds players the equivalent of Bell, Brown and Roethlisberger, there is NO FUCKING WAY they're in the hunt to win anything.

Without Bell, we'll probably a 9-7, 10-6 team. MAYBE.

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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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I think...THINK...we could get by without Bell.

The offense doesn't run through him like it did in 2016 and earlier.

I'd be worried about what it looked like though until I could be trusting that Fichtner will use scheme to help lesser talent.

That nutso TD where Ben found Bell for a TD with a backward lateral last Sunday? I'm not sure that happens without both Ben AND Bell on either side of the play.

And until Fichtner shows me something, right now our offense thrives on spectacular individual effort as opposed to scheme.

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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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I definitely believe the offense would be fine without Bell. I think he may be turning into a bit of a cancer. Not the aggressive, kill you in a month kind, but the slow, insidious kind. He talks about his salary, A LOT. His discipline is questionable (I'm not talking about work ethic here); and if the article about him blowing off the final walk through before the Jags game is correct, he should be shown the door. That kind of attitude can quickly permeate a locker room, or any other surrounding atmosphere.

I like Bell. I just don't like the baggage that seems to keep piling on. Steelers are gonna need a butler just to carry that shit into the house.


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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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Jeemie wrote:
I think...THINK...we could get by without Bell.

The offense doesn't run through him like it did in 2016 and earlier.

I'd be worried about what it looked like though until I could be trusting that Fichtner will use scheme to help lesser talent.

That nutso TD where Ben found Bell for a TD with a backward lateral last Sunday? I'm not sure that happens without both Ben AND Bell on either side of the play.

And until Fichtner shows me something, right now our offense thrives on spectacular individual effort as opposed to scheme.


You don't want to see this Steelers team without Bell.

Believe me.

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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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Jeemie wrote:
I think...THINK...we could get by without Bell.

The offense doesn't run through him like it did in 2016 and earlier.

I'd be worried about what it looked like though until I could be trusting that Fichtner will use scheme to help lesser talent.

That nutso TD where Ben found Bell for a TD with a backward lateral last Sunday? I'm not sure that happens without both Ben AND Bell on either side of the play.

And until Fichtner shows me something, right now our offense thrives on spectacular individual effort as opposed to scheme.



Heard a stat yesterday on Cowherd....1st 9 games Bell averaged 25 carries per game and PS averaged 22 pts per game....last 8 games he averaged 16 carries per game and PS averaged 31 pts per.


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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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StillerDownSouth wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
I think...THINK...we could get by without Bell.

The offense doesn't run through him like it did in 2016 and earlier.

I'd be worried about what it looked like though until I could be trusting that Fichtner will use scheme to help lesser talent.

That nutso TD where Ben found Bell for a TD with a backward lateral last Sunday? I'm not sure that happens without both Ben AND Bell on either side of the play.

And until Fichtner shows me something, right now our offense thrives on spectacular individual effort as opposed to scheme.



Heard a stat yesterday on Cowherd....1st 9 games Bell averaged 25 carries per game and PS averaged 22 pts per game....last 8 games he averaged 16 carries per game and PS averaged 31 pts per.


How many balls did Bell catch the second half of the season? I mean, he only ended up with 85 catches. Was superb picking up blitzes and carried the ball for 1,291 yards.

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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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Okay...STFU....and keep Bell.

This is dumb. We don't want to part with a talent like that. And do what, give the ball to Steven Fuckin' Ridley???


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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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swissvale72 wrote:
Okay...STFU....and keep Bell.

This is dumb. We don't want to part with a talent like that. And do what, give the ball to Steven Fuckin' Ridley???


I mean...this shit is fucking INCREDIBLY MORONIC.

Best fucking back in the league...BY A LOT and an incredible, clutch receiver who puts up ridiculous numbers in catches yearly too.

Yeah sure, let's get rid of that.

:lol:

People don't like Bell's attitude. I hope he pisses in Mike Cuntlin's face IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE LOCKER ROOM.

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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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No but you may want to lose bell
Use the saved money on defense FA
And draft a rb nd round or use a tandem


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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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321 fucking carries.

I'm sure Fitz, Conner and Ridley will make that up.

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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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Best piece of off-season news we could have, other than that the dumb, full of shit, mother-fucker Mike Tomlin has been fired (and that dude's job is safer than the Pope's), is that Steelers have signed Le'Veon Bell to a 5-year deal....ending all of the bullshit, all of the speculation about his sitting out, walking away, playing last year with Steelers, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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Best piece of off-season news we could have, other than that the dumb, full of shit, mother-fucker Mike Tomlin has been fired (and that dude's job is safer than the Pope's), is that Steelers have signed Le'Veon Bell to a 5-year deal....ending all of the bullshit, all of the speculation about his sitting out, walking away, playing last year with Steelers, etc.


THIS.

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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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Some one should pull JuJu aside and point to Bell as something you DON'T want to turn into.

Bell was wide eyed and naive his first season or two, then he turned into a diva. The press salivated and propped him up as the second coming of LaDainian Tomlinson and it totally went to his head. He ate it up. Unfortunately, his style is easily copied, others are faster, and as noted, his stats are headed in a downward spiral. He's lost a step, and his juke moves are stale and repetitive. And if this business of missing walk throughs and arriving late is true, that just another reason to jettison him from the team.

I'm guessing you could easily replace him, and others like JuJu, McDonald, and James can take his pass targets.

Everybody hated on Conner, but he had how many in game reps, exactly? So he's not the best at picking up blockers, but he's a rookie for fucks sake. If the O line is supposed to be one of the best in the NFL, does it really matter who is running the ball? Especially when Bell can't get past the second round of tacklers anyway.

Safety and ILB'ers while looking for another RB is in the steelers future.

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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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Okay....Le'Veon's a knucklehead, no doubt....but he's an awesomely productive knucklehead. Yeah, he shouldn't miss most of the walkthrough, shouldn't be texting like he does, shouldn't be making rap videos, etc....but he's a ballin' mother-fucker on the field.

I tell my douchebag Patriot friends this story, and some of you may disagree with my remembrance. When Le'Veon and Blount got bagged smoking weed on the way to the airport for the team flight to Philly for the pre-season game....they way I remember it, the Steelers sucked ass that game, and the only two guys that really showed up to play were...Le'Veon Bell and LeGarrette Blount!!


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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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No but you may want to lose bell
Use the saved money on defense FA
And draft a rb nd round or use a tandem


You’re trading a proven franchise-caliber player for the hope that our front office and coaches can use the saved money to sign multiple pieces who all will fit and understand our system, and the hope that we can draft a RB who will be able to step in and replace Bell adequately enough in his first NFL season.

You’re trading a very proven commodity for a lot of hopes. If all those hopes were guaranteed to turn into realities, sure, I could be on board.

But I don’t think that’s realistic.


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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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Some one should pull JuJu aside and point to Bell as something you DON'T want to turn into.

Bell was wide eyed and naive his first season or two, then he turned into a diva. The press salivated and propped him up as the second coming of LaDainian Tomlinson and it totally went to his head. He ate it up. Unfortunately, his style is easily copied, others are faster, and as noted, his stats are headed in a downward spiral. He's lost a step, and his juke moves are stale and repetitive. And if this business of missing walk throughs and arriving late is true, that just another reason to jettison him from the team.

I'm guessing you could easily replace him, and others like JuJu, McDonald, and James can take his pass targets.

Everybody hated on Conner, but he had how many in game reps, exactly? So he's not the best at picking up blockers, but he's a rookie for fucks sake. If the O line is supposed to be one of the best in the NFL, does it really matter who is running the ball? Especially when Bell can't get past the second round of tacklers anyway.

Safety and ILB'ers while looking for another RB is in the steelers future.


...and it's not a matter of who would absorb his targets, but who could function as he does in that position. He's on the field as a running back, but then splits out wide and functions as a wide receiver, arguably exceeded on the field only by Antonio Brown.

And let's also remember, he's not such a diva that he doesn't block. The fucker sticks his nose in, knows what the fuck he's doing, picks up blitzers, etc. This guy's invaluable. We do NOT let him walk.


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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
Gonzo wrote:
No but you may want to lose bell
Use the saved money on defense FA
And draft a rb nd round or use a tandem


You’re trading a proven franchise-caliber player for the hope that our front office and coaches can use the saved money to sign multiple pieces who all will fit and understand our system, and the hope that we can draft a RB who will be able to step in and replace Bell adequately enough in his first NFL season.

You’re trading a very proven commodity for a lot of hopes. If all those hopes were guaranteed to turn into realities, sure, I could be on board.

But I don’t think that’s realistic.


Bingo.

I don't trust the morons in charge to adequately replace a superstar (and yes, he most certainly IS a superstar) like Bell and defensively? They're gonna suck again.

Get ready for it.

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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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Some one should pull JuJu aside and point to Bell as something you DON'T want to turn into.

Bell was wide eyed and naive his first season or two, then he turned into a diva. The press salivated and propped him up as the second coming of LaDainian Tomlinson and it totally went to his head. He ate it up. Unfortunately, his style is easily copied, others are faster, and as noted, his stats are headed in a downward spiral. He's lost a step, and his juke moves are stale and repetitive. And if this business of missing walk throughs and arriving late is true, that just another reason to jettison him from the team.

I'm guessing you could easily replace him, and others like JuJu, McDonald, and James can take his pass targets.

Everybody hated on Conner, but he had how many in game reps, exactly? So he's not the best at picking up blockers, but he's a rookie for fucks sake. If the O line is supposed to be one of the best in the NFL, does it really matter who is running the ball? Especially when Bell can't get past the second round of tacklers anyway.

Safety and ILB'ers while looking for another RB is in the steelers future.


Watch what happens to this offense if Bell leaves.

Here's a hint: you aren't going to like it.

At all.

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