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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:29 pm 
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My opinion, which many don’t agree with, is in line with Lifelong’s take. Our defensive “stars” really aren’t that good. In fact, Shazier might have been the best player on D and he obviously is not part of the picture right now.

Burns - regressed
Dupree - regressed big time and looks like a bust
Heyward - solid but probably not as good as we think he is
Tuitt - solid as well, but something is seriously wrong with him on the injury front
Watt - solid and could be great but not good enough this year for our QB pressure to ride on him
Williams - average and played pretty bad down the stretch
Spence - probably wouldn’t make a CFL roster
Mitchell - terrible and a team distraction
Hilton - very good
Sutton - looking good could be very good
Haden - seems to be very good still

That is not that good of a group right there. Look, they showed flashes this year, especially the interior folks amassing those sack numbers, but we were far to often gashed on the ground this season for us to be that enthusiastic about them, right? Bears - Jags 1 - Ravens; those games made me think tackling was still poor and we were getting owned in the trenches.

Owned in the trenches is not a novel thought, it’s a pretty good indicator of how things are looking on defense. During halftime of the Jags playoff loss Cowher was going on and on about it; he saw we were getting our asses destroyed in the trenches and it was not looking good.

Someone else said it; after the debacle last year in Foxboro, the team/scheme was built more to beat NE than a team like the Jags. Well, we lose to NE at home setting up a second loss to Jags. Great.


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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:45 pm 
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My opinion, which many don’t agree with, is in line with Lifelong’s take. Our defensive “stars” really aren’t that good. In fact, Shazier might have been the best player on D and he obviously is not part of the picture right now.

Burns - regressed
Dupree - regressed big time and looks like a bust
Heyward - solid but probably not as good as we think he is
Tuitt - solid as well, but something is seriously wrong with him on the injury front
Watt - solid and could be great but not good enough this year for our QB pressure to ride on him
Williams - average and played pretty bad down the stretch
Spence - probably wouldn’t make a CFL roster
Mitchell - terrible and a team distraction
Hilton - very good
Sutton - looking good could be very good
Haden - seems to be very good still

That is not that good of a group right there. Look, they showed flashes this year, especially the interior folks amassing those sack numbers, but we were far to often gashed on the ground this season for us to be that enthusiastic about them, right? Bears - Jags 1 - Ravens; those games made me think tackling was still poor and we were getting owned in the trenches.

Owned in the trenches is not a novel thought, it’s a pretty good indicator of how things are looking on defense. During halftime of the Jags playoff loss Cowher was going on and on about it; he saw we were getting our asses destroyed in the trenches and it was not looking good.

Someone else said it; after the debacle last year in Foxboro, the team/scheme was built more to beat NE than a team like the Jags. Well, we lose to NE at home setting up a second loss to Jags. Great.
Can't disagree with any of that. But like all football games, they are won at the Line Of Scrimmage. The steelers were blown off the ball on both sides. Is that coaching? Jags defensive front is good. Very good. That explains a bit about the steelers O line, but they handled their own scoring 42, albeit on hail mary plays waiting for superstars to bail them out - but they scored nevertheless. They just stalled at inopportune moments, giving momentum back to the Jags. On the defensive side, I think it's also possible that the D line was trying to cover for mistakes and lack of talent behind them in the Line Backing core. Jags took advantage. The fact that they held it together after Shaz went down is something people aren't giving them much credit for. But either way, they had issues starting at the beginning of the season. I'm blaming Butler for giving rookies and inexperienced players a reduced playbook, and letting them learn while in the fire. Maybe that'll pay off next season.

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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:56 pm 
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Orangesteel wrote:
My opinion, which many don’t agree with, is in line with Lifelong’s take. Our defensive “stars” really aren’t that good. In fact, Shazier might have been the best player on D and he obviously is not part of the picture right now.

Burns - regressed
Dupree - regressed big time and looks like a bust
Heyward - solid but probably not as good as we think he is
Tuitt - solid as well, but something is seriously wrong with him on the injury front
Watt - solid and could be great but not good enough this year for our QB pressure to ride on him
Williams - average and played pretty bad down the stretch
Spence - probably wouldn’t make a CFL roster
Mitchell - terrible and a team distraction
Hilton - very good
Sutton - looking good could be very good
Haden - seems to be very good still

That is not that good of a group right there. Look, they showed flashes this year, especially the interior folks amassing those sack numbers, but we were far to often gashed on the ground this season for us to be that enthusiastic about them, right? Bears - Jags 1 - Ravens; those games made me think tackling was still poor and we were getting owned in the trenches.

Owned in the trenches is not a novel thought, it’s a pretty good indicator of how things are looking on defense. During halftime of the Jags playoff loss Cowher was going on and on about it; he saw we were getting our asses destroyed in the trenches and it was not looking good.

Someone else said it; after the debacle last year in Foxboro, the team/scheme was built more to beat NE than a team like the Jags. Well, we lose to NE at home setting up a second loss to Jags. Great.




And our dumbfuck in charchare gets ANOTHER chjance to fuck things up again...so disappointed and pissed off with him..he so deserves to be fired along with all the dumbasses on his defensive staff


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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:15 pm 
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Lost in the anger from this season’s ending I almost forgot we drafted a long snapper and Josh fucking Dobbs in last years draft. Add them to the pile of nobody’s.

There is such a collection of idiots running this team right now I don’t know where to start. Fuck it all.


The Dobbs thing is interesting.

Guy looks like an amazing athlete. Can run like a motherfucker and did that plenty effectively at Tennessee.

Even Cowher had a guy like that (Kordell Stewart) and used him as a rookie at WR. Stewart was AMAZING in that role.

On Mike Cuntlin's team, Dobbs SITS ALL YEAR LONG DESPITE THE FACT WE REFUSE TO USE THE QB SNEAK, NO MATTER THE SITUATION.

A running/throwing QB like Dobbs could have been a serious weapon for this Steelers team situationally, but no......run a goddamn pitch against the league's fastest defense on 4th down in a playoff game.

Fuck it. Cuntlin ain't winning shit.

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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:53 pm 
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Orangesteel wrote:
My opinion, which many don’t agree with, is in line with Lifelong’s take. Our defensive “stars” really aren’t that good. In fact, Shazier might have been the best player on D and he obviously is not part of the picture right now.

Burns - regressed
Dupree - regressed big time and looks like a bust
Heyward - solid but probably not as good as we think he is
Tuitt - solid as well, but something is seriously wrong with him on the injury front
Watt - solid and could be great but not good enough this year for our QB pressure to ride on him
Williams - average and played pretty bad down the stretch
Spence - probably wouldn’t make a CFL roster
Mitchell - terrible and a team distraction
Hilton - very good
Sutton - looking good could be very good
Haden - seems to be very good still

That is not that good of a group right there. Look, they showed flashes this year, especially the interior folks amassing those sack numbers, but we were far to often gashed on the ground this season for us to be that enthusiastic about them, right? Bears - Jags 1 - Ravens; those games made me think tackling was still poor and we were getting owned in the trenches.

Owned in the trenches is not a novel thought, it’s a pretty good indicator of how things are looking on defense. During halftime of the Jags playoff loss Cowher was going on and on about it; he saw we were getting our asses destroyed in the trenches and it was not looking good.

Someone else said it; after the debacle last year in Foxboro, the team/scheme was built more to beat NE than a team like the Jags. Well, we lose to NE at home setting up a second loss to Jags. Great.


Cam Heyward is a very good player, not sure where the hell he was against the Jags


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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:55 pm 
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KC wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:
Lost in the anger from this season’s ending I almost forgot we drafted a long snapper and Josh fucking Dobbs in last years draft. Add them to the pile of nobody’s.

There is such a collection of idiots running this team right now I don’t know where to start. Fuck it all.


The Dobbs thing is interesting.

Guy looks like an amazing athlete. Can run like a motherfucker and did that plenty effectively at Tennessee.

Even Cowher had a guy like that (Kordell Stewart) and used him as a rookie at WR. Stewart was AMAZING in that role.

On Mike Cuntlin's team, Dobbs SITS ALL YEAR LONG DESPITE THE FACT WE REFUSE TO USE THE QB SNEAK, NO MATTER THE SITUATION.

A running/throwing QB like Dobbs could have been a serious weapon for this Steelers team situationally, but no......run a goddamn pitch against the league's fastest defense on 4th down in a playoff game.

Fuck it. Cuntlin ain't winning shit.

In a year in which people have long lists of grievances against Tomlin, getting pissed because he didn't use the third sting QB as a WR or for gadget plays seems like it should be well down the list.

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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:12 pm 
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Cam Heyward is a very good player, not sure where the hell he was against the Jags


JAX is well-coached. I'm guessing they game-planned him....and, well, Dupree/Tuitt/Hargrave/Williams/Spence don't scare anyone. That leaves Watt, potentially.

I actually see Vince Williams as very Larry Foote-ish.....but you simply don't have the guys around that Foote did (potentially Watt, but you lost Shazier and Dupree is a bust).

So I think Tuitt and Hargrave were nowhere near 100%. And the big problem against the run is the two ILBers (or at least Shazier's replacement), and Dupree.

Fingers crossed Burns can bounce back, or be pushed by Sutton. I like Hilton, I like Haden. Not a bad group, at all. The problem is the two safeties.

Where PIT will be drafting:
#1 Safety (I think this will offer the best value late in R1, maybe even trade-up a few spots)
#2 OLB or ILB
#3 back to safety or LB

I think you really gotta go find an ILB and Safety in free agency. Not a star, per se, but a James Farrior type that may have been miscast. I'm looking at 2 guys that will cost me only a little more than the money I would have been giving to Shazier.

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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:55 pm 
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Poltargyst wrote:
KC wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:
Lost in the anger from this season’s ending I almost forgot we drafted a long snapper and Josh fucking Dobbs in last years draft. Add them to the pile of nobody’s.

There is such a collection of idiots running this team right now I don’t know where to start. Fuck it all.


The Dobbs thing is interesting.

Guy looks like an amazing athlete. Can run like a motherfucker and did that plenty effectively at Tennessee.

Even Cowher had a guy like that (Kordell Stewart) and used him as a rookie at WR. Stewart was AMAZING in that role.

On Mike Cuntlin's team, Dobbs SITS ALL YEAR LONG DESPITE THE FACT WE REFUSE TO USE THE QB SNEAK, NO MATTER THE SITUATION.

A running/throwing QB like Dobbs could have been a serious weapon for this Steelers team situationally, but no......run a goddamn pitch against the league's fastest defense on 4th down in a playoff game.

Fuck it. Cuntlin ain't winning shit.

In a year in which people have long lists of grievances against Tomlin, getting pissed because he didn't use the third sting QB as a WR or for gadget plays seems like it should be well down the list.


In a year where not running a fucking QB sneak EVEN ONCE ALL YEAR may have cost us a shot at the AFC Championship game?

LOL!!!

Tell me, what creativity did you see them use on short yardage plays? Did you see any direct snaps to Bell? Any Wildcat?

Using a guy like Dobbs, an uber athletic (and strong) runner situationally, to you, constitutes a "gadget play"?

Yeah......no it isn't.

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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:11 pm 
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Tell me, what creativity did you see them use on short yardage plays?


Only thing all year was that quick shovel to the WR/TE they ran about half a dozen times.

Why did we avoid the middle of the field so much at times? When we used the whole field the offense was dynamic and explosive.

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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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Let Bell go. Get a power runner and use his money on defense. Rb are a dime a dozen anymore.. His locker room presence isnt a plus.

You dont spend $12m on running back in nfl - ever.


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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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I like to see Dobbs and willing to give him a shot but wasting a pick on LS is unreal. I think the Allen pick will turn out to be a good CB


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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
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Looks like your boy is gone KC


Its ok we still got Fitz Toussaint :roll:

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/13220245-74/ex-steelers-rb-terrell-nightmare-watson-tweets-he-joins-giants


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 Post subject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'V B
PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:21 pm 
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GreekSteel wrote:


I could see Watson being a very good runner for the Giants.

Kid is a hammer and showed much better receiving skills than I thought he would have.

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