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 Post subject: Re: Coach P's take....
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:01 pm 
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I have never viewed Ben as a football smart QB.

He needed to 1st and foremost....see that the Jags were not ready, 10 men on field, not stacking the line, confused, etc,
Before the time out.

He is the QB. Supposed to be the leader of the team.
Take charge.
Be in command,
Snap and go.

Every single play and situation should not have to be dictated by the sideline.
There are many situation in a game, that dictate the QB ( ellite QBs ) making and taking decisions and running with them.

- Getting to the line and quick snapping after a favorable / questionable call.
- Snapping it quickly with too many defenders on the field
- Snapping it quickly with a defender trying to sprint off the field.
- Getting to line and seeing a defense confused and not ready. Not waiting to snap.

We do not see enough of this from Ben.

Look at the replay, he clearly sees Ramsey right up on the line of scrimmage.
He should know its the short side of the field.
He should know his slot WR that would be blocking on that side was Lil Eli Rogers.
He should know his RB is not fast to the edge.
He should know the speed of that defense.

All of this should have been avoided if the head coach had ironed these 4th and inches plays out a long time ago,
on Thursday before the game.........
On Friday,
On Saturday walk-thru
In pre-season,
In training camp
In OTA's
In his head during the off season.

Unfortunately, these plays are all decided on the battle field, in the heat of the moment when the intensity can blur one judgement.
Failure happened long before Ben was asked to use his brain and judgement.

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 Post subject: Re: Coach P's take....
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:11 pm 
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Kodiak wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
Anytime something shitty happens it's Haley.

If it's good, Ben.

Been the obvious board narrative.

Of course Ben audibles and chooses to do all kinds of shit at the line. I have never once bought the narrative that terrible plays are all Haley mandates. Absurd.



So you're saying that wasn't the audible Haley sent in, and that Ben pulled it completely out of his ass?

Also, we can debate the "Haley bad, Ben infallible", but when they sent Haley away upstairs the offense took off. Obviously Ben makes mistakes, but it's been plainly obvious to a lot of people for a long time that Ben and the offense excel when Haley IS NOT calling the play.


I'm saying I watch Ben yell shit out presnap and then snap the ball. How in the world are we supposed to know what is Ben's choice and what is Haley's? What do you mean the audible Haley sent in? How do you know Haley sent any audible in? Is Ben a potted fucking plant out there with no ability to call audibles on his own? No Ben does not pull shot out of his ass. He has an entire playbook he knows at his disposal. Haley might have sent it in or Ben may have decided to audible into it himself. Maybe I don't understand how it works. Do only OCs decide to audible?

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 Post subject: Re: Coach P's take....
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:17 pm 
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depends. The coaches def give instructions on when/what they want audibles to be, and there likely are not unlimited audibles available from certain play calls/formations/personnel. It is likely that Ben could not, for instance, audible to any play in the playbook on any given presnap.

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 Post subject: Re: Coach P's take....
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:21 pm 
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That's what he's saying. Sometimes, he has the inside info; sometimes not. May have meant once, not both.[/quote]

Ben is supposed to audible based on what the defense shows. Haley is calling the primary play, and also the audible.

So that IS 100% on Haley, unless you're going to argue Ben shouldn't have checked out of the original play (which, not knowing what it was, would just be speculation).[/quote]

Anytime something shitty happens it's Haley.

If it's good, Ben.

Been the obvious board narrative.

Of course Ben audibles and chooses to do all kinds of shit at the line. I have never once bought the narrative that terrible plays are all Haley mandates. Absurd.[/quote]

Im exhausted by the Haley does absolutely nothin correct narrative. Fuck the guy cant even go to a bar, he picks the wrong bar to go to :lol: :lol: I am absolutely ambivalent whether he stays or goes, but I know 1 thing Fichtner has some big shoe's to fill. The numbers dont lie. I also know if they struggle next year (offensively) the excuse making around here will be insufferable. Cant wait to hear how its (insert name) this guys fault that guys, Ben will be Lilly white. P.S. I hope he works out, just a little before camp and Im not talking about paddling a kayak or chopping wood which he has claimed were some of his work outs in the past


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 Post subject: Re: Coach P's take....
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:31 pm 
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Still Lit wrote:
Do only OCs decide to audible?


As I've always understood it, UNCONDITIONALLY YES....unless your QB goes rogue. Which then re-opens the debate on the QB sneak, because you're saying Ben will audible to that monstrosity but not call his own number?

On a 4th Down play, out of a TO.....that call, and the audible, is most DEFINITELY Tomlin and Haley. Ben probably had input, but it's not his call.

Again, if you want to play what-if, you can decide on whether Ben should have audibled out of some unknown call. However, the audible he went to was 100% determined by Haley/Tomlin.

Holy shit, do you really honestly believe they came out of a TO and Ben came up with his own audible to a pitch sweep?!?

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 Post subject: Re: Coach P's take....
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:33 pm 
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Whoever the OC is gets the shit on this esteemed website.

Hit Rewind, go back six years, sub the name Arians for Haley and it's deja vu all over again.

Haley lost his job for two reasons.....
*Ben didn't like him.
*He was basically a dick...and got his ass kicked on the North Side.


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 Post subject: Re: Coach P's take....
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:44 pm 
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Props to coach Priatko, at his tender age of 85, 86?? being able to write and spend as much time on the Steelers as he does giving his thoughts and perception.

Withitness at that age is incredible. Must keep his mind quite busy. Thanks Swiss.


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 Post subject: Re: Coach P's take....
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:06 pm 
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Kodiak wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
Do only OCs decide to audible?


As I've always understood it, UNCONDITIONALLY YES....unless your QB goes rogue. Which then re-opens the debate on the QB sneak, because you're saying Ben will audible to that monstrosity but not call his own number?

On a 4th Down play, out of a TO.....that call, and the audible, is most DEFINITELY Tomlin and Haley. Ben probably had input, but it's not his call.

Again, if you want to play what-if, you can decide on whether Ben should have audibled out of some unknown call. However, the audible he went to was 100% determined by Haley/Tomlin.

Holy shit, do you really honestly believe they came out of a TO and Ben came up with his own audible to a pitch sweep?!?


If it's unconditionally the case that only OCs choose the exact audible a QB can call then there is no debate.

I naively assumed that Ben has leeway about what plays he wants to call at the line.

I do not presume to know who called the audible. How in the world am I supposed to know? I have not yet worked out how to hack into Ben's mic feed.

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 Post subject: Re: Coach P's take....
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swissvale72 wrote:
Whoever the OC is gets the shit on this esteemed website.

Hit Rewind, go back six years, sub the name Arians for Haley and it's deja vu all over again.

Haley lost his job for two reasons.....
*Ben didn't like him.
*He was basically a dick...and got his ass kicked on the North Side.


I used to call it Arians Abortions, or the Magic 8 Ball!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Coach P's take....
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swissvale72 wrote:
Whoever the OC is gets the shit on this esteemed website.

Hit Rewind, go back six years, sub the name Arians for Haley and it's deja vu all over again.

Haley lost his job for two reasons.....
*Ben didn't like him.
*He was basically a dick...and got his ass kicked on the North Side.

You don't think there was anything associated with his job performance that got him fired?


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