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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:32 pm 
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I just can't care about this stuff.

There's no conspiracy.

Pats have Hoodie. Pats have Brady.

That is the explanation of success.

All this other shit is nonsense.

We sound like bitter Seahawks fans after the SB loss to Pitt, except that most Hawks fans have probably moved on.


Agreeing with you, Lit. Yesterday's game wasn't the worst officiated. Fact is, and I'll post this elsewhere too, is that the Patriots stepped up, on both sides of the ball, when the game was in the balance. The biggest play, IMO, was reminiscent of the Patriots-Seattle SB. Patriots, down 2 scores, in 4Q, are facing 3rd & 18. Make the stop and get the fuck off the field. In that SB, it was 3rd & 13. That game it was Brady to Edeleman, this time it was Amendola. But they made the fuckin' play. THAT was the turning point.


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That drive to end the 1st half was all officating aided..1 penalty for 10 yds? 1 penalty in a playoff game for the what 4th time?

i know just a bizarre coincidence and they of course never hold in a sport where you culd literally call holding every fkn play


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That drive to end the 1st half was all officating aided..1 penalty for 10 yds? 1 penalty in a playoff game for the what 4th time?

i know just a bizarre coincidence and they of course never hold in a sport where you culd literally call holding every fkn play


Sounds like sour grapes to me.

I don't even hate the Pats. I don't begrudge them their success.

I just want my Steelers to win, damn it.

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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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Still Lit wrote:
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That drive to end the 1st half was all officating aided..1 penalty for 10 yds? 1 penalty in a playoff game for the what 4th time?

i know just a bizarre coincidence and they of course never hold in a sport where you culd literally call holding every fkn play


Sounds like sour grapes to me.

I don't even hate the Pats. I don't begrudge them their success.

I just want my Steelers to win, damn it.




not sour grapes just stating the facts...bizarre coincidence i know


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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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GreekSteel wrote:
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That drive to end the 1st half was all officating aided..1 penalty for 10 yds? 1 penalty in a playoff game for the what 4th time?

i know just a bizarre coincidence and they of course never hold in a sport where you culd literally call holding every fkn play


Sounds like sour grapes to me.

I don't even hate the Pats. I don't begrudge them their success.

I just want my Steelers to win, damn it.




not sour grapes just stating the facts...bizarre coincidence i know


Don't see why it is "bizarre" or a "coincidence."

The Pats own everyone. That's the fact.

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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/0ap3000000906326/Can-t-Miss-Play-A-B-burns-Bouye-for-first-allowed-TD-of-season

Here's a video of Bouye holding Brown all the way down the field without a flag and then claiming AB pushed off on top of it.

That defense can kiss my ass. They lost. They should deal rather than whine.


But the point is, the Pats get those calls, and most other teams don’t.

But that’s not why Jax lost.

Jax lost for the same reason the Steelers lost to the Pats.

Nathaniel Hackett stopped being creative with Bortles and tried to sit on his ten point lead.

Going up against Belichick causes the other coaches to tighten up...and then they get stupid.

Three of the Patriots’ five Lombardis were caused by the opposing coach (Reid, Carol, Quinn) wilting in the moment and turning stupid.

I give Doug Pederson all the credit in the world, but I just know in a game-changing moment in the Super Bowl, he’s going to turn stupid too. He’s already done that in his very short career.

Yes & no Jeems

Yes, the point is the Pats have calls go their way on both sides of the flags in a way that in a vacuum makes you “Hmmmmm” at the time. However, when looked at in the context of the entire game or in this case the games since the Steelers game makes it obvious something’s not right. A 4 to 1 penalty yardage difference over a 4 game span just doesn't make sense.

The discrepancy in penalties & yardage can’t be explained away by simply saying the Pats are more disciplined. If you actually watch what is going on you can see that in most cases the play is similar on both sides of the ball but the calls tend to go the Pats way more importantly they always seem to happen at just the right time.

Both the TDs at the end of the halves were aided by major PI calls but when the same thing happened in the NE backfield at the end of the game & it would have helped the Jags comeback attempt there were no flags to be seen.

To say that’s not why the Jags loss misses the real point. I agree that there may have been things they could have done to still win the game but I also am to the point where I believe if they had done those things the refs would have injected themselves more with one or two additional key calls to ensure the Pats ended up on top.

I’m not even sure it is conscious. I think the refs actually believe that the Pats are so much better that they can’t possibly lose. When Brady doesn’t complete a big pass while behind at the end of the game it’s like they think

“Tom is so great that of course he’ll complete the pass and march down the field for the winning score….wait, the receiver didn’t catch it……he the GOAT so the only way that happens is if there was PI - I better throw my flag.”


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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:50 pm 
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Stillerz Bar wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/0ap3000000906326/Can-t-Miss-Play-A-B-burns-Bouye-for-first-allowed-TD-of-season

Here's a video of Bouye holding Brown all the way down the field without a flag and then claiming AB pushed off on top of it.

That defense can kiss my ass. They lost. They should deal rather than whine.


But the point is, the Pats get those calls, and most other teams don’t.

But that’s not why Jax lost.

Jax lost for the same reason the Steelers lost to the Pats.

Nathaniel Hackett stopped being creative with Bortles and tried to sit on his ten point lead.

Going up against Belichick causes the other coaches to tighten up...and then they get stupid.

Three of the Patriots’ five Lombardis were caused by the opposing coach (Reid, Carol, Quinn) wilting in the moment and turning stupid.

I give Doug Pederson all the credit in the world, but I just know in a game-changing moment in the Super Bowl, he’s going to turn stupid too. He’s already done that in his very short career.

Yes & no Jeems

Yes, the point is the Pats have calls go their way on both sides of the flags in a way that in a vacuum makes you “Hmmmmm” at the time. However, when looked at in the context of the entire game or in this case the games since the Steelers game makes it obvious something’s not right. A 4 to 1 penalty yardage difference over a 4 game span just doesn't make sense.

The discrepancy in penalties & yardage can’t be explained away by simply saying the Pats are more disciplined. If you actually watch what is going on you can see that in most cases the play is similar on both sides of the ball but the calls tend to go the Pats way more importantly they always seem to happen at just the right time.

Both the TDs at the end of the halves were aided by major PI calls but when the same thing happened in the NE backfield at the end of the game & it would have helped the Jags comeback attempt there were no flags to be seen.

To say that’s not why the Jags loss misses the real point. I agree that there may have been things they could have done to still win the game but I also am to the point where I believe if they had done those things the refs would have injected themselves more with one or two additional key calls to ensure the Pats ended up on top.

I’m not even sure it is conscious. I think the refs actually believe that the Pats are so much better that they can’t possibly lose. When Brady doesn’t complete a big pass while behind at the end of the game it’s like they think

“Tom is so great that of course he’ll complete the pass and march down the field for the winning score….wait, the receiver didn’t catch it……he the GOAT so the only way that happens is if there was PI - I better throw my flag.”


Why does a 4 to 1 ratio make no sense? Because we hate the Pats?

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Both "Patriots are more disciplined" and "they are getting star treatment from refs" can be true at the same time. I believe they are both true.

I don't believe the NFL is playing favorites with the Pats. I do think that individual refs give the Pats a little of the LeBron James treatment. Ask for a penalty - get a penalty.

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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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Lifelongsteel wrote:
Both "Patriots are more disciplined" and "they are getting star treatment from refs" can be true at the same time. I believe they are both true.

I don't believe the NFL is playing favorites with the Pats. I do think that individual refs give the Pats a little of the LeBron James treatment. Ask for a penalty - get a penalty.


I'm sure there is much tape of Tom squealing at refs for flags and not getting them, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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Both "Patriots are more disciplined" and "they are getting star treatment from refs" can be true at the same time. I believe they are both true.

I don't believe the NFL is playing favorites with the Pats. I do think that individual refs give the Pats a little of the LeBron James treatment. Ask for a penalty - get a penalty.


NFL Playoffs are one and done, we do not have the luxury of a seven game series to get even up calls. We never seem to ever get a level even on during games. One or 2 maybe.

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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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Still Lit wrote:
Why does a 4 to 1 ratio make no sense? Because we hate the Pats?

It makes no sense if you look at the game and see that there is no significant defense in the way each teams players are going about their business but the penalties still always seem to favor the Pats.

I completely agree with your earlier post about the irony of the Jags bitching about PI calls after mugging Brown last week with no calls going against them. That may be the point though - they were able to play rough D against every other team in the league with no calls but against the Pasts the flags come out.


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Why does a 4 to 1 ratio make no sense? Because we hate the Pats?

It makes no sense if you look at the game and see that there is no significant defense in the way each teams players are going about their business but the penalties still always seem to favor the Pats.

I completely agree with your earlier post about the irony of the Jags bitching about PI calls after mugging Brown last week with no calls going against them. That may be the point though - they were able to play rough D against every other team in the league with no calls but against the Pasts the flags come out.



Yup and I and im sure others here predicted as much.


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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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Why does a 4 to 1 ratio make no sense? Because we hate the Pats?

It makes no sense if you look at the game and see that there is no significant defense in the way each teams players are going about their business but the penalties still always seem to favor the Pats.

I completely agree with your earlier post about the irony of the Jags bitching about PI calls after mugging Brown last week with no calls going against them. That may be the point though - they were able to play rough D against every other team in the league with no calls but against the Pasts the flags come out.


I don't watch Pats unless they play Steelers or are in the playoffs.

I am suspicious that Pats simply get calls.

One reason opposing defenses might get more calls is because the Pats offense is so damn good.

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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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Still Lit wrote:
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Both "Patriots are more disciplined" and "they are getting star treatment from refs" can be true at the same time. I believe they are both true.

I don't believe the NFL is playing favorites with the Pats. I do think that individual refs give the Pats a little of the LeBron James treatment. Ask for a penalty - get a penalty.


I'm sure there is much tape of Tom squealing at refs for flags and not getting them, though.


Certainly. And like LeBron, when he doesn't get a call he's apoplectic.

Look. I'm not a conspiracy guy. But it's hard not to notice the number of calls that have gone the Pats way just in the last 5-6 games. They lose the Steelers game if the refs use the proper interpretation of "indisputable evidence" on the James play. They lose the Jags game if they don't blow the whistle on the Myles Jack recovery. Add to that the penalty disparities. Not sure what to make of it.

Oh, and it's now really the only way to poke Pats fans, who are now a 10 on the all time insufferability scale

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Mile Jack fumble should have been a TD, however the refs blew it down.

He was not touched down. This is the biggest fuck up call in the game and gives Jax a 17 pt 4th q lead.

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Mile Jack fumble should have been a TD, however the refs blew it down.

He was not touched down. This is the biggest fuck up call in the game and gives Jax a 17 pt 4th q lead.


Because he was down. He was touching Lewis when he took the ball away.

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Mile Jack fumble should have been a TD, however the refs blew it down.

He was not touched down. This is the biggest fuck up call in the game and gives Jax a 17 pt 4th q lead.


Because he was down. He was touching Lewis when he took the ball away.




No video confirmed he was not being touched when Jack got possession of the ball. That play never shoulda been whistled dead, especially since the live call by the ref was a fumble, shoulda let it play out then review entire play.


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Mile Jack fumble should have been a TD, however the refs blew it down.

He was not touched down. This is the biggest fuck up call in the game and gives Jax a 17 pt 4th q lead.


Because he was down. He was touching Lewis when he took the ball away.


I don't think that is the rule, he was clear when he got full possession. His teammates were shouting at him to get up and run

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Mile Jack fumble should have been a TD, however the refs blew it down.

He was not touched down. This is the biggest fuck up call in the game and gives Jax a 17 pt 4th q lead.


Because he was down. He was touching Lewis when he took the ball away.
That's how I saw it.

The Lebron or Jordon comparisons are inaccurate, if you ask me. Those are two guys that can change the outcome of a game all by themselves. Throwing the ball to a rookie or a no name receiver and getting a DPI call is calling it on the no name receiver, not the superstar. The calls are going to the "organization," not one superstar player. Like the lack of a flag for a crack back block, or the time keeper leaving an additional three seconds after the clock hit zero, or no calls on the pats o line or defensive secondary. I saw a few questionable calls that if it were going the other way, they would have been called. And were.

I never thought the NFL was rigged, just guided, or nudged in one direction or another. Good teams need to play great to overcome other good teams with history. But the appearance of impropriety with Goodell spending playoff weekend with Kraft, or the refs calling the game have a connection with the pats organization simply has horrible optics. It just looks like someone is putting their finger on the scale. On top of the skewed penalty statistics. It just doesn't smell right. And now they aren't even apologizing for it. They are going through mental gymnastics to justify the "correct" calls even though they contradict themselves constantly.

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May have been a legitimate call, but the PI call in the fourth quarter that flipped the field for NE sure happened at a convenient time. Gave them a short field on their next possession to score what turned out to be the winning TD. Without that, JAX would have stopped them. Probably run clock. Maybe scored again.

That’s one way they help NE. Making calls go their way at key moments (like the touchdown overturned in our regular season matchup). When you can keep it close, as they always can, one gift in the fourth quarter will win it for them 90 percent of the time.


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Jaguars linebacker Myles Jack made a sensational play in the AFC Championship Game when he ran down Patriots running back Dion Lewis, forced a fumble and recovered it. But did the officials rob Jack of an even more sensational play?

After recovering the ball on the ground, Jack got up and started sprinting down the field, appearing to have a clear path to the end zone. The officials immediately blew the play dead, however, ruling Jack down by contact as soon as he recovered.

The question is whether Jack actually had made contact with Lewis after he recovered the fumble. And replays indicate that he may not have: Jack was still grasping for the ball as he rolled over and away from Lewis and didn’t appear to have possession of the ball until he was free of Lewis and not near any other Patriots. Jack clearly didn’t think he was down, which is why he got up and started sprinting for what could have been a touchdown.

The play was reviewed, but only as to the question of whether it was a fumble and whether the Jaguars recovered. It clearly was a fumble and Jack clearly did recover. But there could be no review of whether Jack was down by contact after recovering the ball because the officials had blown the play dead. Once a play is blown dead, nothing that happens after that can be changed in instant replay.

If the officials had allowed the play to continue, Jack may very well have run for a touchdown that would have given the Jaguars a 27-10 lead with less than 14 minutes remaining in the fourth quarter. It’s possible the Patriots still could have come back and won, but it would have been a whole lot harder if they were behind by three possessions instead of two.

The official who blew the play dead may have had a better view than the TV cameras of where Jack and Lewis were at the time Jack recovered the fumble, or he may have just assumed Jack was touched down because he saw Jack and Lewis going to the ground right next to each other. If the officials would err on the side of letting a play go, it would allow replay to fix any mistakes. But when asked about the play, the league office told PFT that officials are supposed to call what they see, and not let a play go just because they might get corrected on replay.

“The ruling on the field was a fumble, recovered by the defense. Because a whistle was blown, there could be no advance of the fumble, and that ended the play,” NFL spokesman Michael Signora told PFT via email. “Replay was used to determine if in fact it was a fumble and/or if the player was down by contact, but no advance of the fumble could be added at this point. The officials are instructed to officiate as to what they see on the field, not to replay.”


This play was blown dead, and it may have cost the Jaguars a touchdown that could have been the difference between a loss and a trip to the Super Bowl.


the error is the officials affording the Pats an out here by blowing the whistle and taking the points off the board.

We have seen this manipulation time and time again

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Mile Jack fumble should have been a TD, however the refs blew it down.

He was not touched down. This is the biggest fuck up call in the game and gives Jax a 17 pt 4th q lead.


Because he was down. He was touching Lewis when he took the ball away.




No video confirmed he was not being touched when Jack got possession of the ball. That play never shoulda been whistled dead, especially since the live call by the ref was a fumble, shoulda let it play out then review entire play.


The "let it play out then review the entire play" is the correct way to use replay. No reason whatsoever for the ref to blow the whistle there, regardless of what you think the outcome is. Let the players play, sort it out afterwards.


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Jaguars linebacker Myles Jack made a sensational play in the AFC Championship Game when he ran down Patriots running back Dion Lewis, forced a fumble and recovered it. But did the officials rob Jack of an even more sensational play?

After recovering the ball on the ground, Jack got up and started sprinting down the field, appearing to have a clear path to the end zone. The officials immediately blew the play dead, however, ruling Jack down by contact as soon as he recovered.

The question is whether Jack actually had made contact with Lewis after he recovered the fumble. And replays indicate that he may not have: Jack was still grasping for the ball as he rolled over and away from Lewis and didn’t appear to have possession of the ball until he was free of Lewis and not near any other Patriots. Jack clearly didn’t think he was down, which is why he got up and started sprinting for what could have been a touchdown.

The play was reviewed, but only as to the question of whether it was a fumble and whether the Jaguars recovered. It clearly was a fumble and Jack clearly did recover. But there could be no review of whether Jack was down by contact after recovering the ball because the officials had blown the play dead. Once a play is blown dead, nothing that happens after that can be changed in instant replay.

If the officials had allowed the play to continue, Jack may very well have run for a touchdown that would have given the Jaguars a 27-10 lead with less than 14 minutes remaining in the fourth quarter. It’s possible the Patriots still could have come back and won, but it would have been a whole lot harder if they were behind by three possessions instead of two.

The official who blew the play dead may have had a better view than the TV cameras of where Jack and Lewis were at the time Jack recovered the fumble, or he may have just assumed Jack was touched down because he saw Jack and Lewis going to the ground right next to each other. If the officials would err on the side of letting a play go, it would allow replay to fix any mistakes. But when asked about the play, the league office told PFT that officials are supposed to call what they see, and not let a play go just because they might get corrected on replay.

“The ruling on the field was a fumble, recovered by the defense. Because a whistle was blown, there could be no advance of the fumble, and that ended the play,” NFL spokesman Michael Signora told PFT via email. “Replay was used to determine if in fact it was a fumble and/or if the player was down by contact, but no advance of the fumble could be added at this point. The officials are instructed to officiate as to what they see on the field, not to replay.”


This play was blown dead, and it may have cost the Jaguars a touchdown that could have been the difference between a loss and a trip to the Super Bowl.


the error is the officials affording the Pats an out here by blowing the whistle and taking the points off the board.

We have seen this manipulation time and time again


When the whistle blew, the official in question had no way of knowing he was preventing a long gainer and maybe a touchdown, so stop it. Jack was still in the process of getting up and starting to run when the whistle blew, so the official obviously decided to blow it when Jack was still on the ground.

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Jaguars linebacker Myles Jack made a sensational play in the AFC Championship Game when he ran down Patriots running back Dion Lewis, forced a fumble and recovered it. But did the officials rob Jack of an even more sensational play?

After recovering the ball on the ground, Jack got up and started sprinting down the field, appearing to have a clear path to the end zone. The officials immediately blew the play dead, however, ruling Jack down by contact as soon as he recovered.

The question is whether Jack actually had made contact with Lewis after he recovered the fumble. And replays indicate that he may not have: Jack was still grasping for the ball as he rolled over and away from Lewis and didn’t appear to have possession of the ball until he was free of Lewis and not near any other Patriots. Jack clearly didn’t think he was down, which is why he got up and started sprinting for what could have been a touchdown.

The play was reviewed, but only as to the question of whether it was a fumble and whether the Jaguars recovered. It clearly was a fumble and Jack clearly did recover. But there could be no review of whether Jack was down by contact after recovering the ball because the officials had blown the play dead. Once a play is blown dead, nothing that happens after that can be changed in instant replay.

If the officials had allowed the play to continue, Jack may very well have run for a touchdown that would have given the Jaguars a 27-10 lead with less than 14 minutes remaining in the fourth quarter. It’s possible the Patriots still could have come back and won, but it would have been a whole lot harder if they were behind by three possessions instead of two.

The official who blew the play dead may have had a better view than the TV cameras of where Jack and Lewis were at the time Jack recovered the fumble, or he may have just assumed Jack was touched down because he saw Jack and Lewis going to the ground right next to each other. If the officials would err on the side of letting a play go, it would allow replay to fix any mistakes. But when asked about the play, the league office told PFT that officials are supposed to call what they see, and not let a play go just because they might get corrected on replay.

“The ruling on the field was a fumble, recovered by the defense. Because a whistle was blown, there could be no advance of the fumble, and that ended the play,” NFL spokesman Michael Signora told PFT via email. “Replay was used to determine if in fact it was a fumble and/or if the player was down by contact, but no advance of the fumble could be added at this point. The officials are instructed to officiate as to what they see on the field, not to replay.”


This play was blown dead, and it may have cost the Jaguars a touchdown that could have been the difference between a loss and a trip to the Super Bowl.


the error is the officials affording the Pats an out here by blowing the whistle and taking the points off the board.

We have seen this manipulation time and time again


When the whistle blew, the official in question had no way of knowing he was preventing a long gainer and maybe a touchdown, so stop it. Jack was still in the process of getting up and starting to run when the whistle blew, so the official obviously decided to blow it when Jack was still on the ground.


That's my point Jeemie, you stated it too before replying to my reference. This is blatent mistake ad nauseum.

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I think the replay is inconclusive, despite common sense telling you that you can't rip the ball away like that AND not also be down by contact. I suppose it's technically possible, but c'mon.

I think that play should have been blown dead. I don't agree that replay is a replacement for officiating with common sense live - you can never win, because if you let the play "play out" then you end-up with very questionable calls standing because replay couldn't conclusively overturn it.

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