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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:31 pm 
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. . . although my experience is that nothing on TV is completely unscripted other than Jeopardy. All of the reality shows/contest shows, talking heads news shows... none of that is allowed to be random or off-script.
And the sad part is that people actually think there is spontaneity and randomness on TV reality shows. As though it were "real."

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yes, reality shows have never had a real feel in my mind.

Scripting is necessary to keep interests up, because reality maybe too boring for TV viewers

NFL and everything else comes to mind.

I know someone who works for one of those viacom companies doing reality shows....... ALL SCRIPTED

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BethlehemSteel wrote:
I know someone who works for one of those viacom companies doing reality shows....... ALL SCRIPTED


I know it's heavily scripted and edited at this point, but what's mind blowing about American Pickers is that someone would actually have made a living driving around the country and going up to people with junk in their yard.

Forget about trying to wrap your head around the economics....doesn't seem like the safest way to earn a living - guessing there's a fairly high frequency of being greeted with a shotgun.

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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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. . . although my experience is that nothing on TV is completely unscripted other than Jeopardy. All of the reality shows/contest shows, talking heads news shows... none of that is allowed to be random or off-script.
And the sad part is that people actually think there is spontaneity and randomness on TV reality shows. As though it were "real."


are you trying to tell me they don't see ghosts each week In Alaska haunting? Or big foot sightings in each 30 minute episode? or the Housewives of pick your city don't have knock down drag out fights each episode? you guys are taking everything near and dear to my heart from me..
I am not sure I can go on with life..
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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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Well, I also worked on Ghost Adventures. I was the sound recordist for an episode shot in Gettysburg. Stayed up all night to record the ghosts... then Zak starts talking about what this ghost is saying and the noise it's making... I'm rolling my eyes, because I have the gear cranked up and have outlier hearing and listening skills... he's totally full of shit.

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Well, I also worked on Ghost Adventures. I was the sound recordist for an episode shot in Gettysburg. Stayed up all night to record the ghosts... then Zak starts talking about what this ghost is saying and the noise it's making... I'm rolling my eyes, because I have the gear cranked up and have outlier hearing and listening skills... he's totally full of shit.


Haha, i was gonna ask if you worked for that Primadonna Zak!!! HAHA that show i know is totally not on the level.

My exactly beliefs about that asshat CONFIRMED!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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The only reality show I use to like was the last Alaskans
Pretty laid back show with little drama and lots of beautiful Alaska Scenery..

all the rest of them are nothing but trailer trash TV shows.. The downfall of our society can be directly tied to Reality TV.. well I cant prove that but its true in my mind..


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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Well, I also worked on Ghost Adventures. I was the sound recordist for an episode shot in Gettysburg. Stayed up all night to record the ghosts... then Zak starts talking about what this ghost is saying and the noise it's making... I'm rolling my eyes, because I have the gear cranked up and have outlier hearing and listening skills... he's totally full of shit.


You're ruining my TV watching, B2B...just RUINING it, I tell you!

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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Well, I also worked on Ghost Adventures. I was the sound recordist for an episode shot in Gettysburg. Stayed up all night to record the ghosts... then Zak starts talking about what this ghost is saying and the noise it's making... I'm rolling my eyes, because I have the gear cranked up and have outlier hearing and listening skills... he's totally full of shit.


You're ruining my TV watching, B2B...just RUINING it, I tell you!

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would you like some other secrets revealed??

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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Well, I also worked on Ghost Adventures. I was the sound recordist for an episode shot in Gettysburg. Stayed up all night to record the ghosts... then Zak starts talking about what this ghost is saying and the noise it's making... I'm rolling my eyes, because I have the gear cranked up and have outlier hearing and listening skills... he's totally full of shit.


You're ruining my TV watching, B2B...just RUINING it, I tell you!

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would you like some other secrets revealed??

I would.


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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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The only thing that makes sense to me is refs giving Pats the benefit of implicit bias.

Lol!

Pm the show. I have GOT to know.

I think that's the most likely scenario, although my experience is that nothing on TV is completely unscripted other than Jeopardy. All of the reality shows/contest shows, talking heads news shows... none of that is allowed to be random or off-script.

Deal Or No Deal is the show.. I think I've mentioned it before. Actor contestants, suitcases are all taken from the stage and rearranged so that everyone knows which values are where... in fact, I think the exchanges from the hidden negotiator are pre-recorded.

I worked on a poker show where they had a mafia-type fixer who presorted all the decks to create intended outcomes. The show had to stop shooting and restart when one of the contestants got the wrong cards and couldn't perform the game action he was supposed to do/deliver the lines he was given.


Didn't know the show was scripted.

Then again, I never got into it because it was a dumb premise. It's all statistical chance if it's unscripted so all you're really watching is people trying to work me into an emotional response.

The chicks were hot, though. Much better than the UK version of the game.

I kept trying to come up with a viable strategy for how to be a contestant on that game and failed because it all comes down to random chance. Even the offers from the banker seem to be designed to be a 50/50 chance of whether taking the offer or picking more suitcases is the right call. Just play until you get a decent offer then quit.


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THe cost of your consumer products are like 20% product and 80% packaging. Accounted margins always adjusted

Check the shrinking sizes on everything and no real cost or price savings to the consumer

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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Well, I also worked on Ghost Adventures. I was the sound recordist for an episode shot in Gettysburg. Stayed up all night to record the ghosts... then Zak starts talking about what this ghost is saying and the noise it's making... I'm rolling my eyes, because I have the gear cranked up and have outlier hearing and listening skills... he's totally full of shit.

Haaa...my daughters favorite show. She gets pissed at me because I laugh at her when she gets so “in to” it. :lol: I was going to show her your post...but hey, why ruin her delusion?!? :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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Kodiak wrote:
BethlehemSteel wrote:
I know someone who works for one of those viacom companies doing reality shows....... ALL SCRIPTED


I know it's heavily scripted and edited at this point, but what's mind blowing about American Pickers is that someone would actually have made a living driving around the country and going up to people with junk in their yard.

Forget about trying to wrap your head around the economics....doesn't seem like the safest way to earn a living - guessing there's a fairly high frequency of being greeted with a shotgun.


One of my good friends was on American Pickers and he hinted that it is all bullshit scripted nonsense. He was also on Mountain Monsters where he claimed that the "Snallygaster" bit/killed his dog. He can't help but laugh when I ask about that episode...


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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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its incredible that its always pats that seem to get breaks for refs...tuck rule? who heard of that shit till pats ready to lose..every close call goes for them..james pass ruled incomplete; yet pats get call their way when it helps them beat a team with score..
they commit nothing but incidental fouls that don't matter in the game. every team that faces them seems to complain but its called bitching over spilled milk.. this shit is far more then random luck. over and over..year after year.. they been caught cheating. don't matter..i hope I live long enough for the truth to finally come out..where theres smoke thiers fire!
on positive note now announcers and talking heads are talking about it during and after games..maybe the truth sets us free sooner then later..


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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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Baltostiller wrote:
One of my good friends was on American Pickers and he hinted that it is all bullshit scripted nonsense. He was also on Mountain Monsters where he claimed that the "Snallygaster" bit/killed his dog. He can't help but laugh when I ask about that episode...


Yeah, it's CLEARLY scripted (especially some of the haggling). I just wonder how much they really "freestyled".

Pawn Stars is another one. Some of the real big ticket stuff brought on is actually another broker showcasing one of their items. It's a small shop, and I heard while they DID have some unusual/unique items, the business was mostly gold, silver and jewelry/watches (like just about every other pawn shop).

I do enjoy both shows, though. It's an interesting way to learn and see some unusual, useless crap. Basically a scripted version of Antiques Road Show (which is heavily edited but otherwise genuine).

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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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So here's what I would actually like to see: a numerical breakdown of how many times the Patriots got favorable calls vs. how often other teams did. I feel like you could measure it by measuring the following categories:

1. Favorable penalties for you
2. Unfavorable penalties against you
3. Favorable reviews for you
4. Reviews that hurt you
5. Net total yardage expressed as a positive or a negative of all calls from referees

You'd need them all individually, although comparing them would also be helpful. I'd also be interested in quarters -- in other words, if there's a big spike in favorable calls at the end of each half, that would seem to indicate that something weird was going on.

I'm really curious about this now.


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Has the Tuck Rule ever been applied other than that one game?


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I kept trying to come up with a viable strategy for how to be a contestant on that game and failed because it all comes down to random chance. Even the offers from the banker seem to be designed to be a 50/50 chance of whether taking the offer or picking more suitcases is the right call. Just play until you get a decent offer then quit.


Speaking of which, the pending Dutchess of Sussex (that sounds SOOOOO dirty) - a.k.a Meghan Markle - was one of the suitcase girls on Deal or No Deal.


And that's just disappointing about the poker shows. You'd normally have plenty of drama for a half hour if they played for 3-4 hours. Easy money is long over in that racket - big names make their living off "appearance fees" (and the big killing was the Pokerstars IPO).

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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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Has the Tuck Rule ever been applied other than that one game?

It was applied 5 times before it was repealed in 2013.

The first time it was used in 2001 it went against the Pats.

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This "bias" terminology is a euphemism for officials fAvoring and thus determining outcomes for ne. A rose by any other name is still a bastardized ne win under any stars.


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Steeler Fanatic wrote:
So here's what I would actually like to see: a numerical breakdown of how many times the Patriots got favorable calls vs. how often other teams did. I feel like you could measure it by measuring the following categories:

1. Favorable penalties for you
2. Unfavorable penalties against you
3. Favorable reviews for you
4. Reviews that hurt you
5. Net total yardage expressed as a positive or a negative of all calls from referees

You'd need them all individually, although comparing them would also be helpful. I'd also be interested in quarters -- in other words, if there's a big spike in favorable calls at the end of each half, that would seem to indicate that something weird was going on.

I'm really curious about this now.

curious as well...but your method might be flawed in that it seems pats seem to get gifts at VERY key points in games.!! weather its a flag on the other team or rulings on a review. sheer number of flags and yards may not be as telling without the timing and context of the zebras actions


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Jeopardy contestants are screened through analytics, show producers now know which categories favor which contestants and sometimes categories are random sometimes their not. Even a TV quiz show has controlled to semi controlled outcomes. The tournament of champions and college and HS events are clean.


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The picture of the laughing ref in the middle of their TD celebration that made it 14-10 was not helpful.

But it made me think that if they are fixing things in favor of the Pats...they’re almost shoving it in our faces.

From the moment of that Falcons/Rams game where Kraft was in the booth with Goodell.

That just rubbed me the wrong way- no owner whose team is in the playoffs should be anywhere NEAR Roger Goodell while the playoffs are going on.

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 Post subject: Re: Boomer addresses the elephant in the room
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Jeemie wrote:
The picture of the laughing ref in the middle of their TD celebration that made it 14-10 was not helpful.

But it made me think that if they are fixing things in favor of the Pats...they’re almost shoving it in our faces.

From the moment of that Falcons/Rams game where Kraft was in the booth with Goodell.

That just rubbed me the wrong way- no owner whose team is in the playoffs should be anywhere NEAR Roger Goodell while the playoffs are going on.

I've never been comfortable with how close Kraft and Goodell have been.


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