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 Post subject: Re: Le'Veon Bell saying the Steelers have made significant..
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:26 pm 
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I'd like to bring him back, mostly because I don't expect to Colbert and Co. to get nearly as impactful defensive players with that money as many are hoping for.

That said, if this ends up being a 5 year, $12M/per deal that isn't easy to get out of after year 2, that's going to suck even worse.


I believe last year's offer had $30 million of the $60 million guaranteed in the first 2 years of the deal.


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 Post subject: Re: Le'Veon Bell saying the Steelers have made significant..
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Charles Demarr wrote:
Louis Lipps Service wrote:
I'd like to bring him back, mostly because I don't expect to Colbert and Co. to get nearly as impactful defensive players with that money as many are hoping for.

That said, if this ends up being a 5 year, $12M/per deal that isn't easy to get out of after year 2, that's going to suck even worse.


I believe last year's offer had $30 million of the $60 million guaranteed in the first 2 years of the deal.


I'm more concerned with the cap hit in the years after year 2. With the workload he gets every season, I don't expect him to have much of a shelf life going forward and think he could fall off a cliff in any given season. I'm willing to risk it for a season or two, but after that, I think it gets to be too much. And I also think Ben will retire or be on a sharp decline after 2 more seasons.


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 Post subject: Re: Le'Veon Bell saying the Steelers have made significant..
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Good news... It seems the Rooneys are a little looser with their funds now that they don't have to account for Dan's Irish whiskey consumption.


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 Post subject: Re: Le'Veon Bell saying the Steelers have made significant..
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:57 pm 
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Remember the hit to the knee, I believe in the Cincy game this year.
Was a run to the right, as Bell approached the sideline, lowered his shoulder.......but the DB went lower.
And it looked like it could have been a devastating blow to the knee.
He hobbled off the field.
Sat on the trainers table as team doctor went thru all the feel tests.

That hit right there should make him want to think long term and hopefully PS friendly, as opposed to playing year to year,
Even if the Y2Y contract is twice the number of the next guy at the position.

4 year $45 million with $25 guaranteed is my guess
Or at least should be as high as they go.

And when you consider last years offer may have had $30 million guaranteed.
Well he just made $14 of that $30 in 2017.
And he is a year older and 550 touches heavier.

I think these are the top 5 RB contracts as a basis.

Freeman
5 years $41 million - ($ 22 guaranteed )

McCoy
5 years $40 ( $18 )

Doug Martin
5 years, 35.75 ( $15 )

Ivory
5 years, $32 ( $10 )

Fournette
4 years, $27 ( $27 :shock: )

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 Post subject: Re: Le'Veon Bell saying the Steelers have made significant..
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
Charles Demarr wrote:
Louis Lipps Service wrote:
I'd like to bring him back, mostly because I don't expect to Colbert and Co. to get nearly as impactful defensive players with that money as many are hoping for.

That said, if this ends up being a 5 year, $12M/per deal that isn't easy to get out of after year 2, that's going to suck even worse.


I believe last year's offer had $30 million of the $60 million guaranteed in the first 2 years of the deal.


I'm more concerned with the cap hit in the years after year 2. With the workload he gets every season, I don't expect him to have much of a shelf life going forward and think he could fall off a cliff in any given season. I'm willing to risk it for a season or two, but after that, I think it gets to be too much. And I also think Ben will retire or be on a sharp decline after 2 more seasons.


Not me. I have major doubts Ben will be around in 3 years. Worry about that later.

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 Post subject: Re: Le'Veon Bell saying the Steelers have made significant..
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And I do not see any RB that is a free agent that will set a higher bar, command even $9 - $10 a year.

Or even $4-5 million per year

Sproles
Lacy
Vereen
Gore
Burkhead
Crowell
Jamaal Charles
D amian Williams
T. West
Alfred Morris
Dunbar
Dion Lewis
Blount
Peerman
Darkwa
Jeremy Hill
Hyde
Ellington
Spiller

Soft FA running back market along with the injury scare.........
The success of rookie RB's
Could have Bell coming back to earth.

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 Post subject: Re: Le'Veon Bell saying the Steelers have made significant..
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Stosh-67 wrote:
And I do not see any RB that is a free agent that will set a higher bar, command even $9 - $10 a year.

Or even $4-5 million per year

Sproles
Lacy
Vereen
Gore
Burkhead
Crowell
Jamaal Charles
D amian Williams
T. West
Alfred Morris
Dunbar
Dion Lewis
Blount
Peerman
Darkwa
Jeremy Hill
Hyde
Ellington
Spiller

Soft FA running back market along with the injury scare.........
The success of rookie RB's
Could have Bell coming back to earth.



Will Sproles make it back from his injury at 34/35.
Be nice to steel Burkhead from Pats.

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 Post subject: Re: Le'Veon Bell saying the Steelers have made significant..
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THE amount of doom and gloom here on it has been expected

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... last-year/

I expect to see him back warts and all

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I’m all for paying crazy money to a model team player, a guy who always puts the team before him....who doesn’t create waves w social media and is never a distraction whose longest run this year was 27 yards.

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 Post subject: Re: Le'Veon Bell saying the Steelers have made significant..
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
I'd like to bring him back, mostly because I don't expect to Colbert and Co. to get nearly as impactful defensive players with that money as many are hoping for.

That said, if this ends up being a 5 year, $12M/per deal that isn't easy to get out of after year 2, that's going to suck even worse.


Who cares, when Ben leaves, it's guaranteed SUCK, next man up is a fairy tale at the QB position, and you don't win with running the ball and defense. If Foles wins it this year, it's not proof that a sucky QB can win, he was carried there by a franchise, #1 pick QB over the first 15 weeks.


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