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 Post subject: Re: Starkey nails it on Dud Dupree
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:58 am 
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Dupree isn't so far off of Joey Porter's first three seasons numbers, and is ahead of the pace of Gildon and Worilds. If Bud turns into a Worilds that doesn't quit the game right when he finally starts playing, that would be great. It's not impossible-- remember what Worilds looked like at this point of his career.


Good points. I'm not sure why some people are acting like Worilds was some amazing draft pick/elite rusher. The guy pretty much stunk his first three years and then had two VERY slightly above average years before he retired. The reason it was a shock was because we were very very thin at the position as it was.
This waxing poetic about Worilds is comical.

Just to be clear, I was in no way claiming Worilds to be a world beater. My point was exactly as you said - our depth was shit, and Colbert / Tomlin draft picks for immediate need are shit.

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 Post subject: Re: Starkey nails it on Dud Dupree
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Maybe Mike Tomlin is the WR whisperer. We keep changing WR coaches and OCs and keep drafting WR talent. Wallace Sanders AB Bryant JuJu is a pretty good run.

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 Post subject: Re: Starkey nails it on Dud Dupree
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Dupree isn't so far off of Joey Porter's first three seasons numbers, and is ahead of the pace of Gildon and Worilds. If Bud turns into a Worilds that doesn't quit the game right when he finally starts playing, that would be great. It's not impossible-- remember what Worilds looked like at this point of his career.


Stop it man, just stop it. 3 simple words. I WAS WRONG. Now I await your totally inconsequential post from NFL LInebacker weekly or something as incongruous that states "ON Sunday 4 PM games played in a central time zone Dud Dupree was third in NFL linebackers for hurries against left handed QB's"


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 Post subject: Re: Starkey nails it on Dud Dupree
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That was actually pretty funny Stinger.


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 Post subject: Re: Starkey nails it on Dud Dupree
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:41 pm 
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I've not given up all hope on Bud. He's not Jervis. The light could come on.

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 Post subject: Re: Starkey nails it on Dud Dupree
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Worilds absolutely fucked this team when he retired. The fact that Colbert can't draft a pass rusher to save his life doesn't help, either. Unless I'm mistaken, in 17 years, Colbert has drafted exactly 2 serviceable starters at OLB: Haggans and Woodley. That's fucking horrible. I mean, I guess you could give him credit for bringing Debo in, but that was more Harrison's agent leveraging him onto the roster because Cowher wanted another client of his. IMO, Tomlin and Colbert should both be gone. The Superbowl equity has expired.


It's hard to blame Colbert for this. Colbert has put together the best offense in the league. He also nailed the Heyward and Shazier picks. Found guys like AB, V Will, and Jesse James in the bottom rounds. The problem is and always has been our inability to coach up players on the defensive side of the ball. Particularly at OLB and in the secondary.


Success do not count as you well know. They were pure luck. My guess is Tomlin and Colbert left the room when they drafted Shazier and Heyward.

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 Post subject: Re: Starkey nails it on Dud Dupree
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Maybe Mike Tomlin is the WR whisperer. We keep changing WR coaches and OCs and keep drafting WR talent. Wallace Sanders AB Bryant JuJu is a pretty good run.


Richard Mann was a great QB coach and a great eye for talent.

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 Post subject: Re: Starkey nails it on Dud Dupree
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Maybe Mike Tomlin is the WR whisperer. We keep changing WR coaches and OCs and keep drafting WR talent. Wallace Sanders AB Bryant JuJu is a pretty good run.


Richard Mann was a great QB coach and a great eye for talent.

I completely agree... let's hope he continues to consult.

But he didn't join the Steelers until 2013. Somebody was picking great WRs before that.

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 Post subject: Re: Starkey nails it on Dud Dupree
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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Maybe Mike Tomlin is the WR whisperer. We keep changing WR coaches and OCs and keep drafting WR talent. Wallace Sanders AB Bryant JuJu is a pretty good run.


Richard Mann was a great QB coach and a great eye for talent.

I completely agree... let's hope he continues to consult.

But he didn't join the Steelers until 2013. Somebody was picking great WRs before that.


They have some good scouts for WR. Just like they do for 3-4 DE. They know what they are looking for.

Pass rusher is hard because ever team wants it X4. A solid cover CB is another unicorn that all teams are hunting. I wonder if they should get away from their comfort zone of no trade and go for bulk. Build up a lot of picks then draft 4 pass rushers and see if any of them hit.

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 Post subject: Re: Starkey nails it on Dud Dupree
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That was actually pretty funny Stinger.


Thanks 95 see even I can be funny.........sometimes (but dont get used to it :lol: )


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