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 Post subject: Re: Patriots and penalties. Show your friends this during SB
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:59 pm 
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Thats what you read from my post?? let me be more clear, i'mmeasuring success by playoff performances and SBs...the guy makes the same mistakes over and over and over..game mgmt is just too complicated for tomlin, no need to delve back into that...and spare me the 2 SBs, we have gone thru that ad nauseum on here, the more time goes by, it is clear and evident that Tomlin won with Cowhers players, coaches and schemes. So ya done with this fraud. Clearer for you now?


Yes. That's what I got from your post. You're calling for "scoreboard", but defining the scoreboard in a specific way to fit your case. The whole point of calling "scoreboard" is to peel away the subjective stuff such as "Cowher's players". When you peel away the subjective it's hard to make a case against Tomlin.

The bottom line is that you are pushing to replace a proven coach (by any metric ever created for coaches) with what would almost certainly be an unproven coach.

The thing is . . . you may be right. It might be better to shoot for another approach. I wouldn't be pissed if they did. At the same time I can't share in the hatred of Tomlin and I can't ignore the success he has achieved.

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 Post subject: Re: Patriots and penalties. Show your friends this during SB
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:58 pm 
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The Patriots are Red White and Blue America. They're also super white.
What are you implying with that?

That the ideal of American patriotism and American branding might be an overt or subconscious reason NE gets viewed the way it does by the league, the officials, the fans. Isn't the stereotype/cliché of Captain America/American Hero a clean-cut white guy like the typical Patriots player? In America, those good-looking, clean cut, educated, All-America type white guys get viewed very favorably-- I don't think I'm going out on a particularly long limb by pointing that out, am I? Hell, if the NFL were choosing an avatar persona, you don't think it would look an awful lot like a Patriots player in a Patriots uniform?

I don’t know B2B. Speaking only for myself, I come up pretty much the opposite of what you describe. A crooked, win at all costs, rules be damned pirate organization. Sleaze oozing from the creep of an owner, to the slime ball coach, to the dumb as a sack of doorknobs QB...topped off by the club mouthpiece former player, shithead Bruschi. Nothing...nothing at all about that franchise shouts All American. Unless one considers Al Capone an All American boy...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:42 pm 
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I don’t know B2B. Speaking only for myself, I come up pretty much the opposite of what you describe. A crooked, win at all costs, rules be damned pirate organization. Sleaze oozing from the creep of an owner, to the slime ball coach, to the dumb as a sack of doorknobs QB...topped off by the club mouthpiece former player, shithead Bruschi. Nothing...nothing at all about that franchise shouts All American. Unless one considers Al Capone an All American boy...

Think about it the way the extremely white overwhelmingly conservative NFL ownership sees it. The Patriots have to be their idealized version of an NFL team. They are the most refined, under control of coaches, clean cut... whether we think that way or not, it's easy to imagine that the league as a whole puts them on a pedestal.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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The Patriots are Red White and Blue America. They're also super white.
What are you implying with that?

That the ideal of American patriotism and American branding might be an overt or subconscious reason NE gets viewed the way it does by the league, the officials, the fans. Isn't the stereotype/cliché of Captain America/American Hero a clean-cut white guy like the typical Patriots player? In America, those good-looking, clean cut, educated, All-America type white guys get viewed very favorably-- I don't think I'm going out on a particularly long limb by pointing that out, am I? Hell, if the NFL were choosing an avatar persona, you don't think it would look an awful lot like a Patriots player in a Patriots uniform?


The vast majority of Patriot players are black. 37 out of 53. is that too many white guys?

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 Post subject: Re: Patriots and penalties. Show your friends this during SB
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:53 pm 
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The vast majority of Patriot players are black. 37 out of 53. is that too many white guys?

Kind of amazing, if true, because that would put the Pats right at league average. I guess it's the multiple white WRs-- the NFL has only 24 overall and I think the Pats have 4.

Incidentally, the Eagles are the whitest team in the NFL this year.

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 Post subject: Re: Patriots and penalties. Show your friends this during SB
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:03 pm 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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The vast majority of Patriot players are black. 37 out of 53. is that too many white guys?

Kind of amazing, if true, because that would put the Pats right at league average. I guess it's the multiple white WRs-- the NFL has only 24 overall and I think the Pats have 4.

Incidentally, the Eagles are the whitest team in the NFL this year.


I think the whole white black thing is bullshit. It may have been said in this thread already but the Pats getting calls, I believe is more of a snowball effect. BB is highly respected and probably slightly feared by officiating. The more they win the more benefit of the doubt calls they get. Basically, these guys are in awww of the Pats lockstep organization.

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 Post subject: Re: Patriots and penalties. Show your friends this during SB
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:19 pm 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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I don’t know B2B. Speaking only for myself, I come up pretty much the opposite of what you describe. A crooked, win at all costs, rules be damned pirate organization. Sleaze oozing from the creep of an owner, to the slime ball coach, to the dumb as a sack of doorknobs QB...topped off by the club mouthpiece former player, shithead Bruschi. Nothing...nothing at all about that franchise shouts All American. Unless one considers Al Capone an All American boy...

Think about it the way the extremely white overwhelmingly conservative NFL ownership sees it. The Patriots have to be their idealized version of an NFL team. They are the most refined, under control of coaches, clean cut... whether we think that way or not, it's easy to imagine that the league as a whole puts them on a pedestal.


Per usual, B2B is way off base.


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 Post subject: Re: Patriots and penalties. Show your friends this during SB
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:56 pm 
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I don’t know B2B. Speaking only for myself, I come up pretty much the opposite of what you describe. A crooked, win at all costs, rules be damned pirate organization. Sleaze oozing from the creep of an owner, to the slime ball coach, to the dumb as a sack of doorknobs QB...topped off by the club mouthpiece former player, shithead Bruschi. Nothing...nothing at all about that franchise shouts All American. Unless one considers Al Capone an All American boy...

Think about it the way the extremely white overwhelmingly conservative NFL ownership sees it. The Patriots have to be their idealized version of an NFL team. They are the most refined, under control of coaches, clean cut... whether we think that way or not, it's easy to imagine that the league as a whole puts them on a pedestal.


Per usual, B2B is way off base.


fall in line with the times Swiss. White Men are evil. Always looking to screw everyone else. Don't you read the huff post?

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 Post subject: Re: Patriots and penalties. Show your friends this during SB
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I've watched a game with B2B. I'll be the first to admit, he sees shit I don't see in-game. He's a good, analytical football mind.

Outside the game though...he cooks up some bullshit. Sort of StillMill's opposite. Whereas Mill, once he thought a player or coach sucked, nothing that guy could do to change his mind....B2B's take the opposite tack, forever supporting Tomlin...to the point of ridiculousness, like maintaining he outcoached Belichick in the Steelers loss in December.

And now...injecting this racial horseshit. B2B....C'mon Man!


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 Post subject: Re: Patriots and penalties. Show your friends this during SB
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:21 pm 
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they already let it slip BRady is getting this years MVP

https://sports.yahoo.com/tom-brady-mvp- ... 03725.html

im sure everything else is just window dressing tomorrow on the game and the outcome.

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 Post subject: Re: Patriots and penalties. Show your friends this during SB
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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I don’t know B2B. Speaking only for myself, I come up pretty much the opposite of what you describe. A crooked, win at all costs, rules be damned pirate organization. Sleaze oozing from the creep of an owner, to the slime ball coach, to the dumb as a sack of doorknobs QB...topped off by the club mouthpiece former player, shithead Bruschi. Nothing...nothing at all about that franchise shouts All American. Unless one considers Al Capone an All American boy...

Think about it the way the extremely white overwhelmingly conservative NFL ownership sees it. The Patriots have to be their idealized version of an NFL team. They are the most refined, under control of coaches, clean cut... whether we think that way or not, it's easy to imagine that the league as a whole puts them on a pedestal.
I think it's disingenuous to ignore race. The 32 owners are overwhelmingly conservative. And it's not like it's news that most of conservative america has a problem with #blacklivesmatter, or the representation/ equality of minorities. It's been stated on this site by conservative members multiple times that racism doesn't exist, it's a tool for advancement, identity politics, the country was founded by whites, they are fearful that "white" and white culture will become a minority. etc etc. It's not simply a matter of labeling whites as evil. That's not the point. At all. But you'd be lying to yourself if you think racism doesn't exist. Just look at the Texas Board of Ed in the last five years that wants to identify slaves from Africa as "immigrant workers" and remove any mention of institutional racism altogether in current history books for children.

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