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Charles Demarr wrote:
Wasn't Hurst sent home from the combine with some type of heart issue?

He was, but not expected to be serious.

By the way, I was blowing a lot of smoke... was all set to take Reid or Lorenzo Carter at 37, only... you see how that worked out.

By the way, I think Reid, Carter, Griffin-- all examples of players that SHOULD be on the Steelers' radar. Multi-tools who can do a lot of stuff, are extremely productive/disruptive. All three make plays at all levels of the defense, can man cover, play the run, blitz, have ball skills.

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I think Griffin will be a special teams demon. I also think he will go on day 3. If he had 2 hands he would be picked in the top 25. Giving up the chance for interceptions and the issues with tackling will drive him down.

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Shaquiem Griffin???? :lol: :lol: Sorry B2B all due respect to you, what a laughable pick, i just mock broke my tv set..im callin for yours/colbertsand tomlins head now...wow what a downer of a pick


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I think Griffin will be a special teams demon. I also think he will go on day 3. If he had 2 hands he would be picked in the top 25. Giving up the chance for interceptions and the issues with tackling will drive him down.

He had no issues getting INTs in college. Looked good catching it at combine. I'm not sure that's a big issue for him. IRL, I believe he goes no later than last 1/3 of round 3.

The tackling-- he's unorthodox, but it's not like he misses a lot from not being able to grasp. Like a lot of really fast players who go a million mph, he misses tackles from overrunning more than hands issues. He can't help but remind you of Troy-- combo S/LB with great burst and always around the football-- and Troy never used his hands to tackle, either. FWIW, Griffin had the same number of INTs in college as did Troy Polamalu.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 GM Board Draft Discussion Thread!!!
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I think Griffin will be a special teams demon. I also think he will go on day 3. If he had 2 hands he would be picked in the top 25. Giving up the chance for interceptions and the issues with tackling will drive him down.

He had no issues getting INTs in college. Looked good catching it at combine. I'm not sure that's a big issue for him. IRL, I believe he goes no later than last 1/3 of round 3.

The tackling-- he's unorthodox, but it's not like he misses a lot from not being able to grasp. Like a lot of really fast players who go a million mph, he misses tackles from overrunning more than hands issues. He can't help but remind you of Troy-- combo S/LB with great burst and always around the football-- and Troy never used his hands to tackle, either. FWIW, Griffin had the same number of INTs in college as did Troy Polamalu.

b2b, while I appreciate your comparisons of Griffin to Troy, as hands go, I can tell you Troy's were one of his greatest assets. As someone that has shook hands with Troy on several occasions, for a guy his height and weight, he has some seriously big and muscular paws on him - I mean freak-like thickness. First time I shook his hand, I was like WOW, I can see why once he got his hands on you/the ball you/it weren't going anywhere. I was truly amazed, and I've had the opportunity to meet a lot of players (seriously not bragging)! I do realize Troy had a penchant for low missile tackles and not wrapping up, but rest assured, his hands were more than capable of rag-dolling the biggest/strongest of dudes. While Griffin certainly compensates nicely for only having one hand, his lack of a hand will not be an asset like Troy's two were. Not even close.

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his lack of a hand will not be an asset like Troy's two were. Not even close.


Sheesh.

I actually like the pick, and while you could wait till the Steelers R2, you're definitely taking a chance that somebody doesn't fall in love with the guy and draft him just ahead of you. I agree, early 2nd to mid-3rd is about the window for this kid, and if you're looking to guarantee he's on the team in August, and you're sitting at 37...

The Steelers currently have ZERO explosive players on defense, and this draft is thin on them. May not be the "safe" pick, but it's also, considering what the board looks like, a gamble worth taking if you're sold on the kid.


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I mean, obviously, if he had Troy's hands, he'd be, without question, a top 15 pick.

Surely you get some value out of Jabril Peppers' return game, but can anyone honestly say he was a better defensive prospect than one-handed Shaquem Griffin? Peppers went 1.25! Neither Troy nor Peppers could line up in the wide slot vs a speed receiver and not only carry him on a go route 40 yards downfield, but also outplay him for the ball in the air. Honey Badger can't do that, Sean Davis can't do that. Mike Mitchell can't do that. And Griffin does it 25lbs heavier than the next biggest guy.

Besides, look at the board. It was either take a player at one of the deepest positions on the team (and most of those position groups in this draft have depth for days) strictly as BPA, or take a guy that fits, who can help, and who is better than people realize.

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I mean, obviously, if he had Troy's hands, he'd be, without question, a top 15 pick.

Surely you get some value out of Jabril Peppers' return game, but can anyone honestly say he was a better defensive prospect than one-handed Shaquem Griffin? Peppers went 1.25! Neither Troy nor Peppers could line up in the wide slot vs a speed receiver and not only carry him on a go route 40 yards downfield, but also outplay him for the ball in the air. Honey Badger can't do that, Sean Davis can't do that. Mike Mitchell can't do that. And Griffin does it 25lbs heavier than the next biggest guy.

Besides, look at the board. It was either take a player at one of the deepest positions on the team (and most of those position groups in this draft have depth for days) strictly as BPA, or take a guy that fits, who can help, and who is better than people realize.




im willing to acknowledge some of us may be wrong and he may just possibly be better than some people (like me) realize but he also may be nothing more than what others think a severly limited light 1 handed ILB. He aint going top 50 imo and ill be surprised if he goes top 100 just my opinion of course.


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Great pick treat..Gisecki on the packers? Hell of a fit in that offesnse and with AR throwing to him, matchup nightmare indeed.


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Great pick treat..Gisecki on the packers? Hell of a fit in that offesnse and with AR throwing to him, matchup nightmare indeed.

Great athlete-- anybody got a clip of him threatening the seam? To me, Gesicki is a very athletic big WR. Nothing wrong with that, and it might work on the Packers, but Gesicki isn't as good as his workout. I sense a theme with the Penn State guys: the strength and conditioning program must be ridiculously good.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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Great pick treat..Gisecki on the packers? Hell of a fit in that offesnse and with AR throwing to him, matchup nightmare indeed.

Great athlete-- anybody got a clip of him threatening the seam? To me, Gesicki is a very athletic big WR. Nothing wrong with that, and it might work on the Packers, but Gesicki isn't as good as his workout. I sense a theme with the Penn State guys: the strength and conditioning program must be ridiculously good.


I agree on the WR assessment. He is a more natural catcher than JJ ( who tends to fight the ball).

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As far as TEs go, I like Tyler Conklin in the middle rounds. Hell of a good athlete, and plays with a bit of nastiness.


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jebrick wrote:
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Great pick treat..Gisecki on the packers? Hell of a fit in that offesnse and with AR throwing to him, matchup nightmare indeed.

Great athlete-- anybody got a clip of him threatening the seam? To me, Gesicki is a very athletic big WR. Nothing wrong with that, and it might work on the Packers, but Gesicki isn't as good as his workout. I sense a theme with the Penn State guys: the strength and conditioning program must be ridiculously good.


I agree on the WR assessment. He is a more natural catcher than JJ ( who tends to fight the ball).




id rather roll the dice by far on Giseckis rawness and natural atheltic ability than Shaqs ability to play at his weight and physical limitations but thats just me.


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Great pick treat..Gisecki on the packers? Hell of a fit in that offesnse and with AR throwing to him, matchup nightmare indeed.

Great athlete-- anybody got a clip of him threatening the seam? To me, Gesicki is a very athletic big WR. Nothing wrong with that, and it might work on the Packers, but Gesicki isn't as good as his workout. I sense a theme with the Penn State guys: the strength and conditioning program must be ridiculously good.


I agree on the WR assessment. He is a more natural catcher than JJ ( who tends to fight the ball).

Actually love Gesicki's hands and body control when leaping. Plays above the rim.

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id rather roll the dice by far on Giseckis rawness and natural atheltic ability than Shaqs ability to play at his weight and physical limitations but thats just me.

Griffin's tape is so much better than Gesicki's. It's not close. Watch the tape and forget about his hand.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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id rather roll the dice by far on Giseckis rawness and natural atheltic ability than Shaqs ability to play at his weight and physical limitations but thats just me.

Griffin's tape is so much better than Gesicki's. It's not close. Watch the tape and forget about his hand.


Gesicki's in air body control and hops come from his V Ball background for sure.

I think drafting Griffin for a Joker role is his natural fit. He needs space to roam and a running start to consistently beat a block and make a play.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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id rather roll the dice by far on Giseckis rawness and natural atheltic ability than Shaqs ability to play at his weight and physical limitations but thats just me.

Griffin's tape is so much better than Gesicki's. It's not close. Watch the tape and forget about his hand.




i get that totally, i see his tape i just think it aint translating up a level on sundays..dont sdee it..we shall see..AND i think Gisecki will actually be better in the NFL where its much more a matchup game, and the packers would be a great fit for him


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I like Gisecki to the Packers. A team/offense that will use him correctly. Nice selection.


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Thanks gents. Agreed Gisecki seems like a natural fit on the Packers. With Jordy running on fumes and Cobb set to get expensive quick a target to threaten the middle of the field was definitely a need.

I don't think he's Vernon Davis as his workout might suggest, but I do think with a year of NFL coaching g and weights he could be similarly productive to Jimmy Graham.

Kinda swinging for the fences with both Davenport and Gisecki.


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jebrick wrote:
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Great pick treat..Gisecki on the packers? Hell of a fit in that offesnse and with AR throwing to him, matchup nightmare indeed.

Great athlete-- anybody got a clip of him threatening the seam? To me, Gesicki is a very athletic big WR. Nothing wrong with that, and it might work on the Packers, but Gesicki isn't as good as his workout. I sense a theme with the Penn State guys: the strength and conditioning program must be ridiculously good.


I agree on the WR assessment. He is a more natural catcher than JJ ( who tends to fight the ball).


Watching him run that post drill at the combine, I didn't really see 4.4-something speed. Looked considerably slower than that. Baugh (also mostly a big-WR-type) looked faster doing football things.


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Watching him run that post drill at the combine, I didn't really see 4.4-something speed. Looked considerably slower than that. Baugh (also mostly a big-WR-type) looked faster doing football things.

Speed isn't Gesicki's game-- all about high pointing and winning at the catch point. You can see it in the fact that most of his great plays/production is outside the numbers. You're not going to throw nor win as many jump balls in the middle of the field traffic.

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I just thought, after he really surprised me with the 40 time; going pretty much unopposed with no real jam, etc, that he'd cover that ground a little faster. I mean, if you've got it, flaunt it. Workouts were definitely more impressive than drills.


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Damn it 43....was hoping he would slide a few more picks. Best interior lineman not named Quenton Nelson in the draft. Nice pick.


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Arizona has traded pick 2.47 to Philadelpha for Nick Foles and pick 4.132. We are excited to add a Super Bowl winning QB to what we feel is a championship level defence. Philly is on the clock.


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Charles Demarr wrote:
Damn it 43....was hoping he would slide a few more picks. Best interior lineman not named Quenton Nelson in the draft. Nice pick.


Blame the Packers. I wanted Gesicki. But he's a good consolation. Especially since I got Nelson too.

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