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Author:  Jobus Rum [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:42 pm ]
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Kordell's kryptonite was definitely the short out pattern.

But that guy could just run RPOs and PA RPOs for deep ball all night and he would have been just fine. They tried desperately to make him into a pocket passer and he was terrible at that. Running the option, Kordell was top 5 all time in college. I saw his whole career there and he was out of this world. Ran a hand-timed 4.1 at altitude. Could throw it 80 yards, outrun anyone on any college team in his era, never took a shot running it because he had that little wiggle at the last second. You guys can knock him all you want, but he won some games, he came damn close to winning MVP in 97. 5 GWD, 4 4thQ comebacks, 21 passing TDs, 2nd on the team in rushing yards, 11 rushing TDs. For comparison, Neil O'Donnell's best year ('95) he had only 17 passing TDs.

Of course, once I saw him play WR, I was sold that a move would have been great for him... but not meant to be.

If I remember correctly, it was Kordell himself that insisted he was a pocket passer. And of course, his daddy, the great Cahr, gave him what he wanted. Talk about a creepy coach/QB relationship...

I always thought Korky would make a great RB. Good size, outstanding speed, and strong and as hell. “Run Forrest run!”

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: GM Board Draft Announcement 2018

I think maybe you speak of Kordell talking about how he was trying to prove he could do what they wanted... but early in his career, they beat his natural style out of him instead of building around his strengths... which were many. I do think Kordell was a sensitive type-- flourished with encouragement and wilted from criticism.

Still:
• the only players in team history with more TD passes are named Bradshaw and Roethlisberger
• his 11 rushing TDs were 5th most in any season of team history
• 11th in team history in scoring by non-kicker

Not a bust.

Author:  GreekSteel [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:14 pm ]
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The slash role, was absolutley perfect for Kordell, more WR and less QB imo. You werent winning shit with Kordell as a QB1 imo. To me he is the ultimate example of how good a coach Cowher was and the coaching hires he made.

Author:  Ice [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:27 pm ]
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GreekSteel wrote:
The slash role, was absolutley perfect for Kordell, more WR and less QB imo. You werent winning shit with Kordell as a QB1 imo. To me he is the ultimate example of how good a coach Cowher was and the coaching hires he made.


In a vacuum, most people said "you ain't winning shit with Nick Foles at the helm." Get a good, creative offensive mind that uses his strengths and finds a way to minimize his weaknesses, add a good defense and a couple of skill players, and maybe you've got something. Put Kordell in an offense that makes creative use of RPO and zone read concepts, adapt your style to his rather than attempt to jam him into the wrong system, and who knows?

The other thing you can't take away from Kordell, he was a durable sumbitch. Barely ever missed a game to injury. Compare that to almost every other zone-read starter/running QB since. Even when I was sick of it and wanted him out, I knew damn well it wouldn't be because he was hurt.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: GM Board Draft Announcement 2018

Ice wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
The slash role, was absolutley perfect for Kordell, more WR and less QB imo. You werent winning shit with Kordell as a QB1 imo. To me he is the ultimate example of how good a coach Cowher was and the coaching hires he made.


In a vacuum, most people said "you ain't winning shit with Nick Foles at the helm." Get a good, creative offensive mind that uses his strengths and finds a way to minimize his weaknesses, add a good defense and a couple of skill players, and maybe you've got something. Put Kordell in an offense that makes creative use of RPO and zone read concepts, adapt your style to his rather than attempt to jam him into the wrong system, and who knows?

The other thing you can't take away from Kordell, he was a durable sumbitch. Barely ever missed a game to injury. Compare that to almost every other zone-read starter/running QB since. Even when I was sick of it and wanted him out, I knew damn well it wouldn't be because he was hurt.

^^^ THIS sums it up

Author:  Gonzo [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:52 am ]
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Kordell IMO was a very good WR ... incredibly smooth and strong runner
He should have stayed a slash. He would have had a long fruitful career IMO
He was great in that multi dimensioned role

Author:  Suwanee88 [ Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GM Board Draft Announcement 2018

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Kordell's kryptonite was definitely the short out pattern.

But that guy could just run RPOs and PA RPOs for deep ball all night and he would have been just fine. They tried desperately to make him into a pocket passer and he was terrible at that. Running the option, Kordell was top 5 all time in college. I saw his whole career there and he was out of this world. Ran a hand-timed 4.1 at altitude. Could throw it 80 yards, outrun anyone on any college team in his era, never took a shot running it because he had that little wiggle at the last second. You guys can knock him all you want, but he won some games, he came damn close to winning MVP in 97. 5 GWD, 4 4thQ comebacks, 21 passing TDs, 2nd on the team in rushing yards, 11 rushing TDs. For comparison, Neil O'Donnell's best year ('95) he had only 17 passing TDs.

Of course, once I saw him play WR, I was sold that a move would have been great for him... but not meant to be.

Agree - especially about the WR comments. That Chicago game when they couldn’t cover him - he was unbelievable. He could have been an amazing WR in the league.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GM Board Draft Announcement 2018

Don't forget, draft starts Monday. Tomorrow I will send out a text confirmation. If you don't get it, it means I don't have your number.

Author:  SteelThrillsseeker [ Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:19 pm ]
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Jarvis Landry is on the market.

PM me any realistic offers.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:58 pm ]
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Stating the obvious, but Steelers are exploring options for 1,28.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:21 pm ]
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Okay, so I think I have everyone's phone/text or twitter DM, except for sgtrobo. Waiting to hear back from him.

Author:  SP [ Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:35 am ]
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Okay, so I think I have everyone's phone/text or twitter DM, except for sgtrobo. Waiting to hear back from him.


Are we really starting tomorrow? Seems early.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:34 am ]
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SP wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Okay, so I think I have everyone's phone/text or twitter DM, except for sgtrobo. Waiting to hear back from him.


Are we really starting tomorrow? Seems early.

We ask this question every year and every year my answer is the same:

We have started for several years on the day after the combine. IIRC, we're even later than last year.

We then have a second draft starting near the end of pro days.

I feel like that's a pretty good balance-- first draft is a little more all over the place and draft 2 is done with more info.

Author:  Ice [ Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GM Board Draft Announcement 2018

I'll reiterate the offer of Nick Foles. Easier, safer and actually cheaper than betting a high pick on, say, Rudolph.

Author:  SP [ Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:25 pm ]
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Lots of trade talks for the #1 overall pick. Any final offers? Looking to finalize the move tonight.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:23 pm ]
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SP wrote:
Lots of trade talks for the #1 overall pick. Any final offers? Looking to finalize the move tonight.

Like you need any more picks!!! 12 picks overall, 6 in top 65, 7 in top 101.

Just pick the best guy in the draft and let us make fun of you on the 2/3 chance he's an abject failure.

Author:  SP [ Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:12 pm ]
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
SP wrote:
Lots of trade talks for the #1 overall pick. Any final offers? Looking to finalize the move tonight.

Like you need any more picks!!! 12 picks overall, 6 in top 65, 7 in top 101.

Just pick the best guy in the draft and let us make fun of you on the 2/3 chance he's an abject failure.

Your jealousy over my 12 picks is unbecoming. Be nice and I may trade with you.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GM Board Draft Announcement 2018

Ok, so, here's another problem... I have been looking for an hour. I can't find ANY correct full draft order. Have found a mistake in every one of them.

Author:  Ice [ Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:13 am ]
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I'm okay with having a day or so to at least wait for all the combine numbers to get put up on nfl.com.

Author:  SP [ Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:15 pm ]
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Ok, so, here's another problem... I have been looking for an hour. I can't find ANY correct full draft order. Have found a mistake in every one of them.

http://www.tankathon.com/nfl/full_draft

Author:  BarryFoster [ Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:09 pm ]
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Redskins war room update:

Booze, strippers and stats project

Author:  DP39 [ Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:42 pm ]
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Texans: we know a guy that works in a bank....

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:52 pm ]
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SP wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Ok, so, here's another problem... I have been looking for an hour. I can't find ANY correct full draft order. Have found a mistake in every one of them.

http://www.tankathon.com/nfl/full_draft

That one is wrong. The 4th round is totally a clusterfuck and it includes no comp picks.

I used the incorrect wikipedia one (had the SF and Oakland picks backwards in every round after 2nd) and fixed it myself.

Author:  jebrick [ Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:13 pm ]
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Indy will shop it's 1.3 pick.

Author:  SP [ Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:58 pm ]
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***TRADE ALERT***

Browns send 1.1 + 4.123 to the JETS for picks 1.6 + 2.37 + 3.72

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