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 Post subject: Re: James Harrison with pressure off the edge.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:13 am 
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Listed to alot of local analysis yesterday...with the repeated line of how thoroughly the Patriots defense sucked, that they were "garbage," "trash," etc.

Of course, much of this focused on the absence of Malcolm Butler. Stephon Gilmore was touted as best player on Patriots defense....and the only guy mentioned as playing anything close to well, the #2 best performance on the Patriots D....was James Harrison.

Personally, still pissed at Tomlin that we had to be in the position of rooting against this guy....seeing him in a mother-fuckin' Patriots uniform. I wouldn't doubt at all that he's back there next season, for the entirety.


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Listed to alot of local analysis yesterday...with the repeated line of how thoroughly the Patriots defense sucked, that they were "garbage," "trash," etc.

Of course, much of this focused on the absence of Malcolm Butler. Stephon Gilmore was touted as best player on Patriots defense....and the only guy mentioned as playing anything close to well, the #2 best performance on the Patriots D....was James Harrison.

Personally, still pissed at Tomlin that we had to be in the position of rooting against this guy....seeing him in a mother-fuckin' Patriots uniform. I wouldn't doubt at all that he's back there next season, for the entirety.


Gilmore played light years better than Harrison that game, and so that’s damning with faint praise.

Gilmore neutralized Alshon Jeffrey...he actually made a (slight) difference.

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 Post subject: Re: James Harrison with pressure off the edge.
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Listed to alot of local analysis yesterday...with the repeated line of how thoroughly the Patriots defense sucked, that they were "garbage," "trash," etc.

Of course, much of this focused on the absence of Malcolm Butler. Stephon Gilmore was touted as best player on Patriots defense....and the only guy mentioned as playing anything close to well, the #2 best performance on the Patriots D....was James Harrison.

Personally, still pissed at Tomlin that we had to be in the position of rooting against this guy....seeing him in a mother-fuckin' Patriots uniform. I wouldn't doubt at all that he's back there next season, for the entirety.


Gilmore played light years better than Harrison that game, and so that’s damning with faint praise.

Gilmore neutralized Alshon Jeffrey...he actually made a (slight) difference.


Of course he did...just pointing out, in the analysis of the New England media, Harrison was the lone other guy on the defense who was identified as not having sucked. Don't think it was damning....just them pointing out that in their pejoratives describing every other guy on that defensive unit, Harrison was identified as an exception to the general criticism.


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 Post subject: Re: James Harrison with pressure off the edge.
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Bingo.

Harrison was the one guy who provided pressure and on a few occasions, actually fucking hit Nick Foles.

I can't think of one other Pats front 7 player I can say that about.

Harrison wasn't a one man wrecking machine, but unlike 90% of his teammates, he showed up and didn't fucking embarrass himself.

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 Post subject: Re: James Harrison with pressure off the edge.
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Will we be starting a new thread to whine about James Harrison in the 2017-18 season, or will this one be resurrected?

Seriously, let it go. Really enjoyed watching the guy play for us, but it's over now. 20-plus pages. Christ.


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 Post subject: Re: James Harrison with pressure off the edge.
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Ice....all due respect....easy answer for those that think a thread has gone on too long...DON'T READ IT!!

Sorry...always bugs me when there's calls to lock a thread, delete a thread,etc. We have a choice as readers....exercise it!

Anyway...here's the point of interest, IMO, for us as Steeler fans, related to this.

It's a further indictment of The Dumbfuck Mike Tomlin.

Let's assume, for sake of argument, that Harrison was of little value on the field to the Steelers. It remains the case that Tomlin let this guy walk, to the team that he himself (Tomlin) publicly anointed as the primary obstacle to the Steelers Super Bowl appearance....and the guy he let walk represented an improvement to that opponent's defensive resources.

Think about that. Tomlin allowed the Patriots to get better on the eve of the playoffs. That's un-fuckin'-forgivable, in my book.


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 Post subject: Re: James Harrison with pressure off the edge.
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So, it's getting dragged out ad nauseam to support one of the local agendas. Check.

I mean, really, they set a record for total offense in that game. All time, single NFL game, ever.

Other than the pair of Eagles that combined to force the fumble on Brady, not sure any defensive player has much to talk about. Honestly, it was the only defensive play of the game.


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 Post subject: Re: James Harrison with pressure off the edge.
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swissvale72 wrote:
Ice....all due respect....easy answer for those that think a thread has gone on too long...DON'T READ IT!!

Sorry...always bugs me when there's calls to lock a thread, delete a thread,etc. We have a choice as readers....exercise it!

Anyway...here's the point of interest, IMO, for us as Steeler fans, related to this.

It's a further indictment of The Dumbfuck Mike Tomlin.

Let's assume, for sake of argument, that Harrison was of little value on the field to the Steelers. It remains the case that Tomlin let this guy walk, to the team that he himself (Tomlin) publicly anointed as the primary obstacle to the Steelers Super Bowl appearance....and the guy he let walk represented an improvement to that opponent's defensive resources.

Think about that. Tomlin allowed the Patriots to get better on the eve of the playoffs. That's un-fuckin'-forgivable, in my book.


The point is, Swiss, is that KC blew up Harrison’s game on Sunday into some type of Hall of Fame performance and it was not.

Neither was his playoff performance in general....there is nothing he put on tape these last few games that shows he would have flipped the needle for a struggling Steelers’ defense, and I believe the Patriots are in the Super Bowl even had they not picked him up.

He made one nice play (for which he didn’t even get credit for the sack).

That’s it. Everything else was just a little less ho hum than anything our defensive guys did.

He had a great career with us. I was sorry to see him go. I’m sure Tomlin mishandled this situation...but so did James.

But he’s at the end of his career, and it shows.

And I want Tomlin gone too...I think he’s stale with no hope of recovering his “freshness”.

But the agenda is getting ridiculous.

Hell...we have a thread about Shazier walking which is awesome news, and people here turned THAT into a Tomlin-bashing thread.

Enough already.

We hate Tomlin. We think he won’t get us to a Super Bowl.

We GET IT already.

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 Post subject: Re: James Harrison with pressure off the edge.
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Jeemie wrote:
swissvale72 wrote:
Ice....all due respect....easy answer for those that think a thread has gone on too long...DON'T READ IT!!

Sorry...always bugs me when there's calls to lock a thread, delete a thread,etc. We have a choice as readers....exercise it!

Anyway...here's the point of interest, IMO, for us as Steeler fans, related to this.

It's a further indictment of The Dumbfuck Mike Tomlin.

Let's assume, for sake of argument, that Harrison was of little value on the field to the Steelers. It remains the case that Tomlin let this guy walk, to the team that he himself (Tomlin) publicly anointed as the primary obstacle to the Steelers Super Bowl appearance....and the guy he let walk represented an improvement to that opponent's defensive resources.

Think about that. Tomlin allowed the Patriots to get better on the eve of the playoffs. That's un-fuckin'-forgivable, in my book.


The point is, Swiss, is that KC blew up Harrison’s game on Sunday into some type of Hall of Fame performance and it was not.

Neither was his playoff performance in general....there is nothing he put on tape these last few games that shows he would have flipped the needle for a struggling Steelers’ defense, and I believe the Patriots are in the Super Bowl even had they not picked him up.

He made one nice play (for which he didn’t even get credit for the sack).

That’s it. Everything else was just a little less ho hum than anything our defensive guys did.

He had a great career with us. I was sorry to see him go. I’m sure Tomlin mishandled this situation...but so did James.

But he’s at the end of his career, and it shows.

And I want Tomlin gone too...I think he’s stale with no hope of recovering his “freshness”.

But the agenda is getting ridiculous.

Hell...we have a thread about Shazier walking which is awesome news, and people here turned THAT into a Tomlin-bashing thread.

Enough already.

We hate Tomlin. We think he won’t get us to a Super Bowl.

We GET IT already.



No Jeemie the point is and always was that some posters on here indicated at the time of The King's release that he was done, finished, had nothing left. If am not mistaken you were probably one of these "sagacious" people.

Other more erudite individuals, like me (and many others), said it was mistake, a bad mistake, for several reasons not the least of which was in a defined role he still had something to offer. Well it is not debatable, irrefutable that he could provide value to an NFL team. In fact playing for a team playing after we were eliminated, a team who beat the team that beat the Steelers, a team playing for the SB. That is PROOF. They are better than us and he is good enough to play for them, but not us??

However the haters on here, and there are many, are so arrogant, so stubborn, so obtuse that they simply can't say yeah I guess I WAS WRONG he did have something left in the tank. Nope gotta continue to frankly embarrass themselves by false equalizing, deflecting, straw manning etc etc etc.

KC was a little hyperbolic, which I frankly enjoy :lol: but #92 was playing, doing a reasonable job thats the facts

Jeemie that's the point


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 Post subject: Re: James Harrison with pressure off the edge.
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Jeemie wrote:
swissvale72 wrote:
Ice....all due respect....easy answer for those that think a thread has gone on too long...DON'T READ IT!!

Sorry...always bugs me when there's calls to lock a thread, delete a thread,etc. We have a choice as readers....exercise it!

Anyway...here's the point of interest, IMO, for us as Steeler fans, related to this.

It's a further indictment of The Dumbfuck Mike Tomlin.

Let's assume, for sake of argument, that Harrison was of little value on the field to the Steelers. It remains the case that Tomlin let this guy walk, to the team that he himself (Tomlin) publicly anointed as the primary obstacle to the Steelers Super Bowl appearance....and the guy he let walk represented an improvement to that opponent's defensive resources.

Think about that. Tomlin allowed the Patriots to get better on the eve of the playoffs. That's un-fuckin'-forgivable, in my book.


The point is, Swiss, is that KC blew up Harrison’s game on Sunday into some type of Hall of Fame performance and it was not.

Neither was his playoff performance in general....there is nothing he put on tape these last few games that shows he would have flipped the needle for a struggling Steelers’ defense, and I believe the Patriots are in the Super Bowl even had they not picked him up.

He made one nice play (for which he didn’t even get credit for the sack).

That’s it. Everything else was just a little less ho hum than anything our defensive guys did.

He had a great career with us. I was sorry to see him go. I’m sure Tomlin mishandled this situation...but so did James.

But he’s at the end of his career, and it shows.

And I want Tomlin gone too...I think he’s stale with no hope of recovering his “freshness”.

But the agenda is getting ridiculous.

Hell...we have a thread about Shazier walking which is awesome news, and people here turned THAT into a Tomlin-bashing thread.

Enough already.

We hate Tomlin. We think he won’t get us to a Super Bowl.

We GET IT already.


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 Post subject: Re: James Harrison with pressure off the edge.
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KC wrote:
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Holy fucking Christ. 2 tackles & a couple of pressures & you've managed 20 pages.

You were born to Troll.


But he was fuckin' awesome last night.

He limited Foles to 373 yards passing and 3 TDs, and the Eagles only got 164 yards rushing.

Because of Deebo's Hall of Fame performance.


So you’re saying Harrison played against the Pats the same way Dupree and Watt played against the Jags?

DAMN MAN, THAT’S COLD!!

Oh well, at least Harrison helped beat the Jags, huh?

I guess if you count him being on the field as help.


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 Post subject: Re: James Harrison with pressure off the edge.
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swissvale72 wrote:
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swissvale72 wrote:
Listed to alot of local analysis yesterday...with the repeated line of how thoroughly the Patriots defense sucked, that they were "garbage," "trash," etc.

Of course, much of this focused on the absence of Malcolm Butler. Stephon Gilmore was touted as best player on Patriots defense....and the only guy mentioned as playing anything close to well, the #2 best performance on the Patriots D....was James Harrison.

Personally, still pissed at Tomlin that we had to be in the position of rooting against this guy....seeing him in a mother-fuckin' Patriots uniform. I wouldn't doubt at all that he's back there next season, for the entirety.


Gilmore played light years better than Harrison that game, and so that’s damning with faint praise.

Gilmore neutralized Alshon Jeffrey...he actually made a (slight) difference.


Of course he did...just pointing out, in the analysis of the New England media, Harrison was the lone other guy on the defense who was identified as not having sucked. Don't think it was damning....just them pointing out that in their pejoratives describing every other guy on that defensive unit, Harrison was identified as an exception to the general criticism.

Yeah it's hard to say he sucked when he had one pressure all game.


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 Post subject: Re: James Harrison with pressure off the edge.
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Bingo.

Harrison was the one guy who provided pressure and on a few occasions, actually fucking hit Nick Foles.

I can't think of one other Pats front 7 player I can say that about.

Harrison wasn't a one man wrecking machine, but unlike 90% of his teammates, he showed up and didn't fucking embarrass himself.

One he fell at Foles feet while he was throwing a strike. Maybe he tied Foles shoe.

The other was the really only pressure he generated. To say he was pedestrian would be a good analysis.


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 Post subject: Re: James Harrison with pressure off the edge.
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Jeemie wrote:
swissvale72 wrote:
Ice....all due respect....easy answer for those that think a thread has gone on too long...DON'T READ IT!!

Sorry...always bugs me when there's calls to lock a thread, delete a thread,etc. We have a choice as readers....exercise it!

Anyway...here's the point of interest, IMO, for us as Steeler fans, related to this.

It's a further indictment of The Dumbfuck Mike Tomlin.

Let's assume, for sake of argument, that Harrison was of little value on the field to the Steelers. It remains the case that Tomlin let this guy walk, to the team that he himself (Tomlin) publicly anointed as the primary obstacle to the Steelers Super Bowl appearance....and the guy he let walk represented an improvement to that opponent's defensive resources.

Think about that. Tomlin allowed the Patriots to get better on the eve of the playoffs. That's un-fuckin'-forgivable, in my book.


The point is, Swiss, is that KC blew up Harrison’s game on Sunday into some type of Hall of Fame performance and it was not.

Neither was his playoff performance in general....there is nothing he put on tape these last few games that shows he would have flipped the needle for a struggling Steelers’ defense, and I believe the Patriots are in the Super Bowl even had they not picked him up.

He made one nice play (for which he didn’t even get credit for the sack).

That’s it. Everything else was just a little less ho hum than anything our defensive guys did.

He had a great career with us. I was sorry to see him go. I’m sure Tomlin mishandled this situation...but so did James.

But he’s at the end of his career, and it shows.

And I want Tomlin gone too...I think he’s stale with no hope of recovering his “freshness”.

But the agenda is getting ridiculous.

Hell...we have a thread about Shazier walking which is awesome news, and people here turned THAT into a Tomlin-bashing thread.

Enough already.

We hate Tomlin. We think he won’t get us to a Super Bowl.

We GET IT already.


The sole point, IMO, is that The Dumbfuck Mike Tomlin made a decision, an unnecessary one, that improved the defense of the team that HE had identified as the major obstacle to a Super Bowl trip for his own team. It was way fuckin' stupid, was something that Tomlin should have anticipated, and he should have exercised other options....like telling the player to stay the fuck home.

As far as his performance on Sunday, and in the other playoff games, I'm just telling you the commentary from the New England media.....that being that their defense fuckin' sucked on Sunday, the lone exceptions being a good performance by Stephon Gilmore, and a passable performance by James Harrison....but that everyone else was terrible. Do with that assessment what you will.

Fact remains, that Tomlin making a decision, on the eve of the playoffs, that improved the Patriots defense, is inexcusable.


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 Post subject: Re: James Harrison with pressure off the edge.
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Fact remains, that Tomlin making a decision, on the eve of the playoffs, that improved the Patriots defense, is inexcusable.


I agree it was stupid to let him go at that point, was stupid but that's Tomlin.

Pat's had a need but any OLB would have improved their defense. Hell they could have gotten Dupree and it would have improved their defense.

Harrison was pedestrian at best and Dupree could have been pedestrian just the same.


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And can he even take any satisfaction in playing in the SB and losing?

He can't even say he was part of the "journey" and contributed throughout the year, regardless.

Nope. He can't say that either.

Poor jimmy.

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Harrison is a shell of his former self. There is no doubt about that. I also don't think he contributed very much to the Pats D.

However, he was a resource for us. At a time when the Jags BULLIED our D and when Dupree was nothing more than a speed bump, Harrison could have given us some useful plays.

I think we were slightly weakened and the Pats were very slightly helped by the Harrison release. That in and of itself means it was a mistake by Tomlin UNLESS your argument is that Harrison was such a cancer in the locker room that we would have fallen apart if he remained. I see no evidence of that.


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Do the Steelers make the Super Bowl with James Harrison?
Do the Pats not make the Super Bowl without James Harrison?
Locker room cancer...who’s to say? But it’s notable that none of his Steelers teammates seemed sorry to see him go...
If you ask me, 20+ pages of much todo about nothing...unless you’re one of those grown ass men that’s in to professional athlete hero worship.
Carry on... :lol:

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Here are some key facts for this 22 page slugfest..

1.James was a great Steeler .. will always love him for that
2. James is no longer a Steeler.
3. James now works for the Enemy.
4. James will be cut and retire later this month..


So how bout we end it there...


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 Post subject: Re: James Harrison with pressure off the edge.
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The point is, Swiss, is that KC blew up Harrison’s game on Sunday into some type of Hall of Fame performance and it was not.


No twatwaffle.

Actually what I said was that Harrison was better than the 2 guys we trotted out there at the end of the season. TJ Watt could end up being great, but he was DONE by the time we faced Jacksonville for the second time. Rooke wall. His face. This isn't hard.

Then you have Dupree. Nothing else need be added.

Harrison made plays vs the Jags nobody on our roster made. IN 2 GAMES. :lol: AGAINST JACKSONVILLE.

Was Harrison great vs the Eagles? Nope but along with Gilmore, he was the only other Pats player who actually acquitted himself well.

He actually showed up.

Got pressure and hits on Foles. Not sure anybody else did.

I know you're biased and I detest Harrison for leaving, but even Pats fans who right now are very, very down on their defense have praised what Harrison brought to the table in the Super Bowl.

Pretty easy, really. Harrison, ZERO DOUBT ABOUT IT, could have helped the Steelers situationally, if not more (due to how TERRIBLE both Watt and Dupree played late in the season).

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the thing is...we will never know if he wouldve been given a chance to do for us against jacksonville in the playoffs what he did for the pats. I don't fault James for feeling like if he wasnt used in pats game, the biggest of yr to that point, that they wouldnt use him in playoffs. i also dont know if that was true. they may have kept him on bench or they may have used him like they did extremely rarely earlier in season as part of their overall plan for him. if they played him, maybe we wouldve got the vs chiefs harrison or maybe we wouldve got the vs ravens one. given the situation that it was the playoffs and seeing the effort he gave for pats at least, i believe we wouldve got the vs chiefs version and more's the pity. tomlin butler porter and harrison fucked it up for us, so now we will never know.


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KC wrote:
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The point is, Swiss, is that KC blew up Harrison’s game on Sunday into some type of Hall of Fame performance and it was not.


No twatwaffle.

Actually what I said was that Harrison was better than the 2 guys we trotted out there at the end of the season. TJ Watt could end up being great, but he was DONE by the time we faced Jacksonville for the second time. Rooke wall. His face. This isn't hard.

Then you have Dupree. Nothing else need be added.

Harrison made plays vs the Jags nobody on our roster made. IN 2 GAMES. :lol:

Was Harrison great vs the Eagles? Nope but along with Gilmore, he was the only other Pats player who actually acquitted himself well.

He actually showed up.

Got pressure and hits on Foles. Not sure anybody else did.

I know you're biased and I detest Harrison for leaving, but even Pats fans who right now are very, very down on their defense have praised what Harrison brought to the table in the Super Bowl.

Pretty easy, really. Harrison, ZERO DOUBT ABOUT IT, could have helped the Steelers situationally, if not more (due to how TERRIBLE both Watt and Dupree played late in the season).

I get all the animosity to KC as he's not very polite & it goes back to the old site when he was much less so. Regardless, I can't see anyone arguing against the post above. If Tomlin was the great locker room HC (which we now know is untrue), he would have balanced the team's needs with the King's & Harrison would have been able to come in when we needed him in our lone playoff game. Unlike a team like the cheatriots that dumps players for maximum value for the team, the Pittsburgh Steelers were supposed to be a family & James Harrison, their elder statesman, wasn't treated well & responded accordingly. I would expect no less from a man with as much pride as him. I'm glad that we didn't have to see him barrelling in & knocking Ben down if only once & even with Harrison's age-diminished skills, he would have done that.


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Pretty easy, really. Harrison, ZERO DOUBT ABOUT IT, could have helped the Steelers situationally, if not more (due to how TERRIBLE both Watt and Dupree played late in the season).


I am confused on how James could have done this and still have had time to betray the team, foment discord, set the organization back twenty years and curse the 'Burg for eternity... and put out all those intimidating workout videos.

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The point is, Swiss, is that KC blew up Harrison’s game on Sunday into some type of Hall of Fame performance and it was not.


No twatwaffle.

Actually what I said was that Harrison was better than the 2 guys we trotted out there at the end of the season. TJ Watt could end up being great, but he was DONE by the time we faced Jacksonville for the second time. Rooke wall. His face. This isn't hard.

Then you have Dupree. Nothing else need be added.

Harrison made plays vs the Jags nobody on our roster made. IN 2 GAMES. :lol:

Was Harrison great vs the Eagles? Nope but along with Gilmore, he was the only other Pats player who actually acquitted himself well.

He actually showed up.

Got pressure and hits on Foles. Not sure anybody else did.

I know you're biased and I detest Harrison for leaving, but even Pats fans who right now are very, very down on their defense have praised what Harrison brought to the table in the Super Bowl.

Pretty easy, really. Harrison, ZERO DOUBT ABOUT IT, could have helped the Steelers situationally, if not more (due to how TERRIBLE both Watt and Dupree played late in the season).

I get all the animosity to KC as he's not very polite & it goes back to the old site when he was much less so. Regardless, I can't see anyone arguing against the post above. If Tomlin was the great locker room HC (which we now know is untrue), he would have balanced the team's needs with the King's & Harrison would have been able to come in when we needed him in our lone playoff game. Unlike a team like the cheatriots that dumps players for maximum value for the team, the Pittsburgh Steelers were supposed to be a family & James Harrison, their elder statesman, wasn't treated well & responded accordingly. I would expect no less from a man with as much pride as him. I'm glad that we didn't have to see him barrelling in & knocking Ben down if only once & even with Harrison's age-diminished skills, he would have done that.


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 Post subject: Re: James Harrison with pressure off the edge.
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It occurs to me that Tomlin probably didn't just up and cut Harrison, he probably ran it past Colbert and Rooney, so it's probably not just Tomlin to be angry at but the three of them.

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