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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:23 pm 
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Was it bad coaching on BBs part, or was this the vulnerable Pats team we saw against KC, Carolina and late in the season against the Dolphins?

You know, months ago we all were in agreement that the Pats were very “gettable” this year. They lost Edelman who is the kind of WR who gives us fits. Their defense performed better as the season went along but we saw some terrible performances out of them, even in games they won (Houston @ home)

And still, Fraudlin couldn’t capitalize, we lost to them in a massive game at home and didn’t even make it to the dance with these assholes in Foxborough. Fraudlin’s failures dwarf BBs.

Isn't Belichick a defensive guru? His defense got tooled this year and exposed last night. Without the uncanny and extremely difficult to explain home field advantage the Pats enjoy AND 3-4 ridiculous replay TD reviews where the other team got jobbed, they never look so good.




he lost to a great team..not blake bortles ..not tim tebow...not ryan fn mallet


Tomlin's shitty player performance helped him out. Yes, he is ultimately responsible for player performance.

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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:24 pm 
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GreekSteel wrote:
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Was it bad coaching on BBs part, or was this the vulnerable Pats team we saw against KC, Carolina and late in the season against the Dolphins?

You know, months ago we all were in agreement that the Pats were very “gettable” this year. They lost Edelman who is the kind of WR who gives us fits. Their defense performed better as the season went along but we saw some terrible performances out of them, even in games they won (Houston @ home)

And still, Fraudlin couldn’t capitalize, we lost to them in a massive game at home and didn’t even make it to the dance with these assholes in Foxborough. Fraudlin’s failures dwarf BBs.

Isn't Belichick a defensive guru? His defense got tooled this year and exposed last night. Without the uncanny and extremely difficult to explain home field advantage the Pats enjoy AND 3-4 ridiculous replay TD reviews where the other team got jobbed, they never look so good.




he lost to a great team..not blake bortles ..not tim tebow...not ryan fn mallet

I'm going to take a guess before I even look... that Blake Bortles and Nick Foles have nearly the same career in the NFL.

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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
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B2B...Doug Pederson totally remade his offense to suit Nick Foles, and Foles played like Montana last night.

He suffered at the hands of Jeff Fisher but there's no question Foles has more talent than Blake Bortles.

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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
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B2B...Doug Pederson totally remade his offense to suit Nick Foles, and Foles played like Montana last night.

He suffered at the hands of Jeff Fisher but there's no question Foles has more talent than Blake Bortles.




its not even remotely close


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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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Look at the coaching performance Pederson put on yesterday and even that which Belichick put on, mistakes and all...and tell me Mike Tomlin and his staff aren't stale.

They are totally stale on offense, glad they at least are attempting something different there.
I don't think they were *as* stale on defense -- but I think they were attempting to change the paradigm in 2017, with mixed results.

For all my pooh-poohing of switching to a 4-3, this draft could put them in a position to use multiple fronts... not the worst idea.


I'm talking about the overall conservative approach to the game.

Tomlin really felt a 24-16 lead with 15 mins left was enough?

And the unpreparedness in key situational moments has been getting worse his whole career.

I want the Mike Tomlin who couldn't sleep the week before the Super Bowl and went looking for something to give his team an extra edge.

I haven't seen that Mike Tomlin for a while.

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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
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per game:

1 Blake Bortles: 21/36... 241 yds... 59.1%... 1.5 TDs... 1.0 INT... 3.6 rushes... 22.7 yds... 80.8 rate... 6.7 YPA
2 Nick Foles....: 17/28 199 yds... 60.1%... 1.2 TDs... 0.6 INT... 2.4 rushes... 7.1 yds..... 87.4 rate... 7.0 YPA

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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
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GreekSteel wrote:
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B2B...Doug Pederson totally remade his offense to suit Nick Foles, and Foles played like Montana last night.

He suffered at the hands of Jeff Fisher but there's no question Foles has more talent than Blake Bortles.




its not even remotely close

Their careers to this point have been pretty close. Foles has played with a lot more talent around him. I agree that Foles has more talent but I think this is mostly a case of a very good situation in Philly, a couple of great offensive coaches, and not enough time for other teams to see film and react to what Foles is doing in Philly. He had a great playoff run this year... but so did Joe Flacco, once.

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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
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So is Butler going to come play for us now?

Saw this stat. Must have been something real to piss Belicheat like this.

Malcolm Butler has played 3,125 out of 3,195 defensive snaps in the last 3 regular seasons

97.8%

that’s a lot for it to drop to 0%


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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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B2B...Doug Pederson totally remade his offense to suit Nick Foles, and Foles played like Montana last night.

He suffered at the hands of Jeff Fisher but there's no question Foles has more talent than Blake Bortles.




its not even remotely close

Their careers to this point have been pretty close. Foles has played with a lot more talent around him. I agree that Foles has more talent but I think this is mostly a case of a very good situation in Philly, a couple of great offensive coaches, and not enough time for other teams to see film and react to what Foles is doing in Philly. He had a great playoff run this year... but so did Joe Flacco, once.


Still...Belichick lost to a more talented team than we did.

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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
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Jeemie wrote:
Still...Belichick lost to a more talented team than we did.

Sure. Jax has Fournette on offense and that's about it. Philly has some really good skill players and a dynamite OL.

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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
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From a dubious tweet I found on a Pats board:

"Clarification/Update: Malcom Butler missed initial flight from Boston to Minneapolis. Arrived to team hotel intoxicated after curfew twice. During room evaluation (Thurs) he was caught smoking marijuana. Missed Saturday morning team meeting."


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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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Was it bad coaching on BBs part, or was this the vulnerable Pats team we saw against KC, Carolina and late in the season against the Dolphins?

You know, months ago we all were in agreement that the Pats were very “gettable” this year. They lost Edelman who is the kind of WR who gives us fits. Their defense performed better as the season went along but we saw some terrible performances out of them, even in games they won (Houston @ home)

And still, Fraudlin couldn’t capitalize, we lost to them in a massive game at home and didn’t even make it to the dance with these assholes in Foxborough. Fraudlin’s failures dwarf BBs.

Isn't Belichick a defensive guru? His defense got tooled this year and exposed last night. Without the uncanny and extremely difficult to explain home field advantage the Pats enjoy AND 3-4 ridiculous replay TD reviews where the other team got jobbed, they never look so good.


Is he a defensive guru? I don’t know. What I know is his team played last night, and had a chance until the very end. Fraudlin couldn’t get past the second week of January.


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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
From a dubious tweet I found on a Pats board:

"Clarification/Update: Malcom Butler missed initial flight from Boston to Minneapolis. Arrived to team hotel intoxicated after curfew twice. During room evaluation (Thurs) he was caught smoking marijuana. Missed Saturday morning team meeting."


Wowzers.


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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
From a dubious tweet I found on a Pats board:

"Clarification/Update: Malcom Butler missed initial flight from Boston to Minneapolis. Arrived to team hotel intoxicated after curfew twice. During room evaluation (Thurs) he was caught smoking marijuana. Missed Saturday morning team meeting."


If true- hoo boy! What an idjit...especially since he had to know that in Belichick's World, the first offense (missing the flight) put him under the microscope already.

And smoking pot before bed check? As much as I think pot should be illegal, just dumb.

But you did say this was a dubious source, so I guess we should wait for confirmation.

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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
From a dubious tweet I found on a Pats board:

"Clarification/Update: Malcom Butler missed initial flight from Boston to Minneapolis. Arrived to team hotel intoxicated after curfew twice. During room evaluation (Thurs) he was caught smoking marijuana. Missed Saturday morning team meeting."


Have a link, Lipps...to the Pats board?


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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
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#NFL #SuperBowl Patriots/Eagles - Bill Belichick benched Malcolm Butler due to arriving late to team hotel, was also found with possession of marijuana on Thursday evening. Belichick was “fed up” with these actions and took a bold stand. (Closed source)


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#NFL #Eagles #Patriots #SuperBowl - Clarification/Update: Malcom Butler missed initial flight from Boston to Minneapolis. Arrived to team hotel intoxicated after curfew twice. During room evaluation (Thurs) he was caught smoking marijuana. Missed Saturday morning team meeting.

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A family friend who I trust, is well connected in law enforcement and was in Minny this week with local cops told me Butler missed curfew, got caught with weed when he came back late to hotel, and subsequently had a meltdown on coaches

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inmates think BB should be fired, they don't believe the leaks yet

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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
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As much as I think pot should be illegal, just dumb.
Did I read that right? You think maryjane should still be classified as a schedule one drug?

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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
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Well, according to some posters here, whatever butler allegedly did shouldn't matter.

Yelling at coaches, disrespecting authority, breaking the law, etc.

Give the team the best chance to win, etc, etc.

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Update: Also reports that Butler was benched all the way back in the bye week before the Super Bowl, which would conflict with the report of him being benched for disciplinary reasons after they were in Minnesota.

I'd say this mystery is far from solved.


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well, if he was caught smoking marijuana...then say hello to our new corner!

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If any of that shit is true, why did he let Butler dress?


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Kodiak wrote:
well, if he was caught smoking marijuana...then say hello to our new corner!


Haha


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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
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COR-TEN wrote:
Well, according to some posters here, whatever butler allegedly did shouldn't matter.

Yelling at coaches, disrespecting authority, breaking the law, etc.

Give the team the best chance to win, etc, etc.


Repeating myself.

You don't get to call Tomlin a dumbass for running a loose ship and praise BB for the disciplined roster and then turn around and bang on BB for benching Butler for being a shit for brains.

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 Post subject: Re: Curious move by Belichik
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COR-TEN wrote:
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As much as I think pot should be illegal, just dumb.
Did I read that right? You think maryjane should still be classified as a schedule one drug?


Mistype- I meant legal.

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Jeemie wrote:
COR-TEN wrote:
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As much as I think pot should be illegal, just dumb.
Did I read that right? You think maryjane should still be classified as a schedule one drug?


Mistype- I meant legal.
Roger that.

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