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Well, Tomlin appears to have made a staffing decision at least partly based on nepotism.

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Tomlin spoke highly of Stewart.

“There’s really been a unique relationship after coach Stew’s passing. We’re friends for life and I mean it in that way. Blaine is an impressive young man. He’s mature beyond his years.”

And captured at the end of the video, Tomlin once told Pacman Jones, “I’m going to take care of that young man,” referring to Blaine.

Is this the son of the Bill Stewart that was the HC at WVU for a couple years?


According to the linked article, yes.

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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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Well, Tomlin appears to have made a staffing decision at least partly based on nepotism.

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http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/02/st ... tant-hire/

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Tomlin spoke highly of Stewart.

“There’s really been a unique relationship after coach Stew’s passing. We’re friends for life and I mean it in that way. Blaine is an impressive young man. He’s mature beyond his years.”

And captured at the end of the video, Tomlin once told Pacman Jones, “I’m going to take care of that young man,” referring to Blaine.

Yet another example of what Tomlin is all about. I'm not saying it doesn't effect folks in some positive manner, but is it ALWAYS in the best interest of the Steelers being better and winning a championship? That's the problem. Tomlin thinks a very large part of his job is to look out for young men, help them become better people and guide them to become productive grown men in society. Unfortunately, that mission doesn't always ensure or coincide with you having the absolute best football players (especially), coaches and staff members available for the main, dare I say ONLY, job at hand - winning championships! While those two things aren't mutually exclusive, rarely do they accomplish the stated goal of winning!

Would Belicheat hire a kid just because (or mainly) his dad gave him his first coaching opportunity? I seriously doubt it. And, more importantly, BB wouldn't do it throughout groups that fall under his power. BB is going to hire the guy that is BEST qualified to teach/run/produce/accomplish the mission at hand - winning championships and all things that lead to that single mission.


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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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DP39 wrote:
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Well, Tomlin appears to have made a staffing decision at least partly based on nepotism.

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http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/02/st ... tant-hire/

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Tomlin spoke highly of Stewart.

“There’s really been a unique relationship after coach Stew’s passing. We’re friends for life and I mean it in that way. Blaine is an impressive young man. He’s mature beyond his years.”

And captured at the end of the video, Tomlin once told Pacman Jones, “I’m going to take care of that young man,” referring to Blaine.

Yet another example of what Tomlin is all about. I'm not saying it doesn't effect folks in some positive manner, but is it ALWAYS in the best interest of the Steelers being better and winning a championship? That's the problem. Tomlin thinks a very large part of his job is to look out for young men, help them become better people and guide them to become productive grown men in society. Unfortunately, that mission doesn't always ensure or coincide with you having the absolute best football players (especially), coaches and staff members available for the main, dare I say ONLY, job at hand - winning championships! While those two things aren't mutually exclusive, rarely do they accomplish the stated goal of winning!

Would Belicheat hire a kid just because (or mainly) his dad gave him his first coaching opportunity? I seriously doubt it. And, more importantly, BB wouldn't do it throughout groups that fall under his power. BB is going to hire the guy that is BEST qualified to teach/run/produce/accomplish the mission at hand - winning championships and all things that lead to that single mission.

BB hired his own kids...just saying.

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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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Are you in agreement that the Steelers likely beat the Pats if Villy does not stupidly hold on the drive where the run game was destroying the Pats D?


Yes. Probably biggest play of the game. 2nd and 1 near midfield vs. 1st and 20. After appx 6 successful runs in a row.


My memory of that drive is pretty bad. maybe it's anti recency bias. Steelers actually threw a few times and there were a couple unsuccessful runs too.

on 1st and 10 from Steelers 38 Connor runs for 8 yards to the 46. Holding call on Villy turns it into 2 and 20 on the Steelers 28 (that part i had mostly right). Villy then gets a false start on the 2nd and 18 play. Turtling ensues.

I would have really liked our chances with 2nd and 2 on the 46 with an 8 point lead

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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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Still Lit wrote:
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Tomlin spoke highly of Stewart.

“There’s really been a unique relationship after coach Stew’s passing. We’re friends for life and I mean it in that way. Blaine is an impressive young man. He’s mature beyond his years.”

And captured at the end of the video, Tomlin once told Pacman Jones, “I’m going to take care of that young man,” referring to Blaine.

Is this the son of the Bill Stewart that was the HC at WVU for a couple years?[/quote]

According to the linked article, yes.[/quote]
Thanks Lit. A good friend of mine did some work on the home Coach Stewart built in Morgantown. He said he was the most positive, pleasant person he’s ever worked for.

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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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Jobus Rum wrote:
DP39 wrote:
Well, Tomlin appears to have made a staffing decision at least partly based on nepotism.

:?

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/02/st ... tant-hire/

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Tomlin spoke highly of Stewart.

“There’s really been a unique relationship after coach Stew’s passing. We’re friends for life and I mean it in that way. Blaine is an impressive young man. He’s mature beyond his years.”

And captured at the end of the video, Tomlin once told Pacman Jones, “I’m going to take care of that young man,” referring to Blaine.

Yet another example of what Tomlin is all about. I'm not saying it doesn't effect folks in some positive manner, but is it ALWAYS in the best interest of the Steelers being better and winning a championship? That's the problem. Tomlin thinks a very large part of his job is to look out for young men, help them become better people and guide them to become productive grown men in society. Unfortunately, that mission doesn't always ensure or coincide with you having the absolute best football players (especially), coaches and staff members available for the main, dare I say ONLY, job at hand - winning championships! While those two things aren't mutually exclusive, rarely do they accomplish the stated goal of winning!

Would Belicheat hire a kid just because (or mainly) his dad gave him his first coaching opportunity? I seriously doubt it. And, more importantly, BB wouldn't do it throughout groups that fall under his power. BB is going to hire the guy that is BEST qualified to teach/run/produce/accomplish the mission at hand - winning championships and all things that lead to that single mission.

BB hired his own kids...just saying.[/quote]
Yes, I know, and probably proves my point even more. My guess is BB's son might be the best qualified person to run whatever job he was hired for, as he was taught exclusively by BB. Just sayin....


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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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Yes, I know, and probably proves my point even more. My guess is BB's son might be the best qualified person to run whatever job he was hired for, as he was taught exclusively by BB. Just sayin....


I'm sure that's what Bellichick thought.


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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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“6 successful runs” means precisely squat.

ZERO POINTS (without the benefit of a very short field) by employing a heavy set run first mentality is the more important stat from that game.

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Lifelongsteel wrote:
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Are you in agreement that the Steelers likely beat the Pats if Villy does not stupidly hold on the drive where the run game was destroying the Pats D?


Tomlin started the turtle in the 2nd half. That's when the game began to turn.

You cannot "BLEED CLOCK" vs the Pats in the 1st 2nd or 3rd quarters- you have to score points.

The only time you should be concerned about the time is when you have the ball with about 4 mins left and you need 2 first downs to essentially ice the game and end the contest WITH POSSESSION OF THE BALL


I would argue that running right at the Pats on the drive in question was the optimal way to score points. Which is why the holding call was so devastating.


Your argument does not stand up to the FACTS of the game.

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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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Would Butler ever think to do that with Dupree (6'4" 265) in the same situation.


And would Dupree go all out or take that play off?


Dupree isn't capable of making the Graham play period. That would take great hand technique and the ability to move laterally. Dupree sucks at both those areas. Badly.

We better hope either we land a great OLB free agent or that Keion Adams is some sort of revelation because our D can't take another year of Dupree being bitch slapped by a TE like this...

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Franco you talking crazy talk man. Dupree had, what 5 sacks this year on inside stunts/rips where he beat a guy on the inside? He totally has the lateral quickness and mostly what won for Graham was getting underneath and an angle under the pads, then pursuing to ball instead of to QB target area. We even use him just like people in this thread are suggesting we do.

Before you all go jumping on the Dupree hate willy-nilly, you might at least watch the film and use the MANY legit reasons to criticize his game instead of inventing things to fit the narrative.

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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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BTW, for context...Brandon Graham didn’t really take off as a star defensive payer until the fifth year of his career.

He was widely considered a bust as recently as the beginning of 2014.

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So there is hope for Bust Dupree?


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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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Still Lit wrote:
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The other problem with Mike Tomlin, potentially, because I have no way of knowing if this is true.

He has many times said he doesn't really watch other games. I don't know if this includes the Super Bowl.

So I wonder if he watched last night so there's at least the possibility that he has learned from it.


This can't be true.


I believe it can. Not only that, if he did watch, I doubt it changes his football philosophy. It's his nature and like Jeemie stated he doesn't get out of it unless forced to because it's his nature. It's PAINFUL for me to watch.


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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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“6 successful runs” means precisely squat.

ZERO POINTS (without the benefit of a very short field) by employing a heavy set run first mentality is the more important stat from that game.


I thought the Steelers scored 24 points. Bell ran for 117 and averaged 4.9 per carry. Ran for a TD. What are you trying to communicate here?

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Speaking of Brandon Graham... I was listening to westward one on my ride home from super bowl gathering and they were interviewing my guy Derek Barnett who couldn’t say enough about Graham calling him the team leader and his mentor.

Would love to have such leadership on my favorite team. Graham, Doug Pederson, Frank Reich, Chris Long, Malcolm Jenkins, Jason Peters, Zach Ertz, Carson Wentz, and MVP Nick Foles all men of the highest character. Leaders who put the team first.

I don’t know much but I know none of those MEN were getting their pelvis broke outside a bar, talking contact or talking trash outside the Patriots locker room before the game.


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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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A lot of us have been saying it for years; we have a few high quality character guys on our team, and a bunch of dumb shitheads. My opinion is it’s a reflection of the coach in charge; he is their “buddy” and let’s them do what they want because “he isn’t concerned with that stuff.”

Great.


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A lot of us have been saying it for years; we have a few high quality character guys on our team, and a bunch of dumb shitheads. My opinion is it’s a reflection of the coach in charge; he is their “buddy” and let’s them do what they want because “he isn’t concerned with that stuff.”

Great.



Absolutely, the further away from cowhers players we got is directly proportional to the level of undiscipline and selfishness on the team.

Hows business? Boomin according to AB... Bell is seemingly as interested in rapping than playing football...but if you bitch about playing time and wanting to play football and take reps in practice you get blackballed and kicked to the curb even if you're a Steelers legend. Fuck Tomlin!


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Orangesteel wrote:
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A lot of us have been saying it for years; we have a few high quality character guys on our team, and a bunch of dumb shitheads. My opinion is it’s a reflection of the coach in charge; he is their “buddy” and let’s them do what they want because “he isn’t concerned with that stuff.”

Great.

Like I said before...Steelers need more head football coach, less frat brother.

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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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“6 successful runs” means precisely squat.

ZERO POINTS (without the benefit of a very short field) by employing a heavy set run first mentality is the more important stat from that game.


I thought the Steelers scored 24 points. Bell ran for 117 and averaged 4.9 per carry. Ran for a TD. What are you trying to communicate here?


Play calling in the first half and second half were much different.

Do you really not know this?

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Absolutely, the further away from the 1995 we get is directly proportional to the level of undiscipline and selfishness on the team.

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Play calling in the first half and second half were much different.

Do you really not know this?


I really don't know what we are arguing about here. You've set me up as some kind of strawman for your anti-Tomlin arguments and putting words into my mouth.

I thought the Steelers had a great drive going to start the quarter. The drive featured a number of successful runs (and a few passes) but was crushed by a holding call which in my mind changed the course of the game. I also believe that focusing on the run on the drive in question offered the best chance for the Steelers to score as it appeared to me that they could run at will. I didn't see it as turtling (that came later)

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Play calling in the first half and second half were much different.

Do you really not know this?


I really don't know what we are arguing about here. You've set me up as some kind of strawman for your anti-Tomlin arguments and putting words into my mouth.

I thought the Steelers had a great drive going to start the quarter. The drive featured a number of successful runs (and a few passes) but was crushed by a holding call which in my mind changed the course of the game. I also believe that focusing on the run on the drive in question offered the best chance for the Steelers to score as it appeared to me that they could run at will. I didn't see it as turtling (that came later)

I've been wondering lately when is it turtling, and when is it the case that you've decided that the best way to move the ball on an opponent is to run the ball, or is there a difference?


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Play calling in the first half and second half were much different.

Do you really not know this?


I really don't know what we are arguing about here. You've set me up as some kind of strawman for your anti-Tomlin arguments and putting words into my mouth.

I thought the Steelers had a great drive going to start the quarter. The drive featured a number of successful runs (and a few passes) but was crushed by a holding call which in my mind changed the course of the game. I also believe that focusing on the run on the drive in question offered the best chance for the Steelers to score as it appeared to me that they could run at will. I didn't see it as turtling (that came later)


No...I’m not setting you up for a strawman.

I’m telling you the evidence is clear that when the Steelers concentrate on running first...especially with a heavy set...they don’t score a lot of points.

They aren’t built to score that way.

History on this point is abundantly clear. They focus run-first...they usually have a failed play, or a breakdown somewhere.

The only drive on which they scored, they had a short field from a turnover.

The only time they threatened again in the half, they had to pass the ball.

In the first half, Bell was running just as well, but they used him exactly the way they should have used him...picking up short down and distance plays while they passed their way on early downs to 17 points...scoring on 3 of 4 drives, IIRC.

By going heavy set and taking Bryant...Bryant who FINALLY showed up to play...off the field in the second half, they played right into Brady and Belichick’s hands.

Whether it was true turtling or not...it was stupid.

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Play calling in the first half and second half were much different.

Do you really not know this?


I really don't know what we are arguing about here. You've set me up as some kind of strawman for your anti-Tomlin arguments and putting words into my mouth.

I thought the Steelers had a great drive going to start the quarter. The drive featured a number of successful runs (and a few passes) but was crushed by a holding call which in my mind changed the course of the game. I also believe that focusing on the run on the drive in question offered the best chance for the Steelers to score as it appeared to me that they could run at will. I didn't see it as turtling (that came later)

I've been wondering lately when is it turtling, and when is it the case that you've decided that the best way to move the ball on an opponent is to run the ball, or is there a difference?


Whether it’s turtling or not, the Steelers are not built to score points and move the ball that way.

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Absolutely, the further away from the 1995 we get is directly proportional to the level of undiscipline and selfishness on the team.




I'll grant you some of it is a change in the times but most of it is Tomlin. We lead the league or are in contention for being the most stupid team every year lately


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