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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:10 pm 
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BTW, for context...Brandon Graham didn’t really take off as a star defensive payer until the fifth year of his career.

He was widely considered a bust as recently as the beginning of 2014.

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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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So there is hope for Bust Dupree?


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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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Still Lit wrote:
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The other problem with Mike Tomlin, potentially, because I have no way of knowing if this is true.

He has many times said he doesn't really watch other games. I don't know if this includes the Super Bowl.

So I wonder if he watched last night so there's at least the possibility that he has learned from it.


This can't be true.


I believe it can. Not only that, if he did watch, I doubt it changes his football philosophy. It's his nature and like Jeemie stated he doesn't get out of it unless forced to because it's his nature. It's PAINFUL for me to watch.


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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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Jeemie wrote:
Lifelongsteel wrote:
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“6 successful runs” means precisely squat.

ZERO POINTS (without the benefit of a very short field) by employing a heavy set run first mentality is the more important stat from that game.


I thought the Steelers scored 24 points. Bell ran for 117 and averaged 4.9 per carry. Ran for a TD. What are you trying to communicate here?

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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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Speaking of Brandon Graham... I was listening to westward one on my ride home from super bowl gathering and they were interviewing my guy Derek Barnett who couldn’t say enough about Graham calling him the team leader and his mentor.

Would love to have such leadership on my favorite team. Graham, Doug Pederson, Frank Reich, Chris Long, Malcolm Jenkins, Jason Peters, Zach Ertz, Carson Wentz, and MVP Nick Foles all men of the highest character. Leaders who put the team first.

I don’t know much but I know none of those MEN were getting their pelvis broke outside a bar, talking contact or talking trash outside the Patriots locker room before the game.


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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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A lot of us have been saying it for years; we have a few high quality character guys on our team, and a bunch of dumb shitheads. My opinion is it’s a reflection of the coach in charge; he is their “buddy” and let’s them do what they want because “he isn’t concerned with that stuff.”

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Orangesteel wrote:
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A lot of us have been saying it for years; we have a few high quality character guys on our team, and a bunch of dumb shitheads. My opinion is it’s a reflection of the coach in charge; he is their “buddy” and let’s them do what they want because “he isn’t concerned with that stuff.”

Great.



Absolutely, the further away from cowhers players we got is directly proportional to the level of undiscipline and selfishness on the team.

Hows business? Boomin according to AB... Bell is seemingly as interested in rapping than playing football...but if you bitch about playing time and wanting to play football and take reps in practice you get blackballed and kicked to the curb even if you're a Steelers legend. Fuck Tomlin!


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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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Orangesteel wrote:
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A lot of us have been saying it for years; we have a few high quality character guys on our team, and a bunch of dumb shitheads. My opinion is it’s a reflection of the coach in charge; he is their “buddy” and let’s them do what they want because “he isn’t concerned with that stuff.”

Great.

Like I said before...Steelers need more head football coach, less frat brother.

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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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Lifelongsteel wrote:
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“6 successful runs” means precisely squat.

ZERO POINTS (without the benefit of a very short field) by employing a heavy set run first mentality is the more important stat from that game.


I thought the Steelers scored 24 points. Bell ran for 117 and averaged 4.9 per carry. Ran for a TD. What are you trying to communicate here?


Play calling in the first half and second half were much different.

Do you really not know this?

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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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Absolutely, the further away from the 1995 we get is directly proportional to the level of undiscipline and selfishness on the team.

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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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Jeemie wrote:

Play calling in the first half and second half were much different.

Do you really not know this?


I really don't know what we are arguing about here. You've set me up as some kind of strawman for your anti-Tomlin arguments and putting words into my mouth.

I thought the Steelers had a great drive going to start the quarter. The drive featured a number of successful runs (and a few passes) but was crushed by a holding call which in my mind changed the course of the game. I also believe that focusing on the run on the drive in question offered the best chance for the Steelers to score as it appeared to me that they could run at will. I didn't see it as turtling (that came later)

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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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Lifelongsteel wrote:
Jeemie wrote:

Play calling in the first half and second half were much different.

Do you really not know this?


I really don't know what we are arguing about here. You've set me up as some kind of strawman for your anti-Tomlin arguments and putting words into my mouth.

I thought the Steelers had a great drive going to start the quarter. The drive featured a number of successful runs (and a few passes) but was crushed by a holding call which in my mind changed the course of the game. I also believe that focusing on the run on the drive in question offered the best chance for the Steelers to score as it appeared to me that they could run at will. I didn't see it as turtling (that came later)

I've been wondering lately when is it turtling, and when is it the case that you've decided that the best way to move the ball on an opponent is to run the ball, or is there a difference?


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Lifelongsteel wrote:
Jeemie wrote:

Play calling in the first half and second half were much different.

Do you really not know this?


I really don't know what we are arguing about here. You've set me up as some kind of strawman for your anti-Tomlin arguments and putting words into my mouth.

I thought the Steelers had a great drive going to start the quarter. The drive featured a number of successful runs (and a few passes) but was crushed by a holding call which in my mind changed the course of the game. I also believe that focusing on the run on the drive in question offered the best chance for the Steelers to score as it appeared to me that they could run at will. I didn't see it as turtling (that came later)


No...I’m not setting you up for a strawman.

I’m telling you the evidence is clear that when the Steelers concentrate on running first...especially with a heavy set...they don’t score a lot of points.

They aren’t built to score that way.

History on this point is abundantly clear. They focus run-first...they usually have a failed play, or a breakdown somewhere.

The only drive on which they scored, they had a short field from a turnover.

The only time they threatened again in the half, they had to pass the ball.

In the first half, Bell was running just as well, but they used him exactly the way they should have used him...picking up short down and distance plays while they passed their way on early downs to 17 points...scoring on 3 of 4 drives, IIRC.

By going heavy set and taking Bryant...Bryant who FINALLY showed up to play...off the field in the second half, they played right into Brady and Belichick’s hands.

Whether it was true turtling or not...it was stupid.

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Poltargyst wrote:
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Jeemie wrote:

Play calling in the first half and second half were much different.

Do you really not know this?


I really don't know what we are arguing about here. You've set me up as some kind of strawman for your anti-Tomlin arguments and putting words into my mouth.

I thought the Steelers had a great drive going to start the quarter. The drive featured a number of successful runs (and a few passes) but was crushed by a holding call which in my mind changed the course of the game. I also believe that focusing on the run on the drive in question offered the best chance for the Steelers to score as it appeared to me that they could run at will. I didn't see it as turtling (that came later)

I've been wondering lately when is it turtling, and when is it the case that you've decided that the best way to move the ball on an opponent is to run the ball, or is there a difference?


Whether it’s turtling or not, the Steelers are not built to score points and move the ball that way.

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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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Absolutely, the further away from the 1995 we get is directly proportional to the level of undiscipline and selfishness on the team.




I'll grant you some of it is a change in the times but most of it is Tomlin. We lead the league or are in contention for being the most stupid team every year lately


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 Post subject: Re: Watching The Eagles' Coaches Decisions/Plays I Felt Jeal
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GreekSteel wrote:
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Absolutely, the further away from the 1995 we get is directly proportional to the level of undiscipline and selfishness on the team.




I'll grant you some of it is a change in the times but most of it is Tomlin. We lead the league or are in contention for being the most stupid team every year lately


Nothing like a little afternoon hyperbole


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