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What were the Patriots going to do without their best play this season...the Riveron Reversal.

Shit! Forgot to post the link for that one....it's by Chris Gasper.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patri ... story.html


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What were the Patriots going to do without their best play this season...the Riveron Reversal.


I'd say they got one turned back on them with the play to #30, the ertz play was perfectly called as 3 steps and a runner, broke plane, TD

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BethlehemSteel wrote:
swissvale72 wrote:
What were the Patriots going to do without their best play this season...the Riveron Reversal.


I'd say they got one turned back on them with the play to #30, the ertz play was perfectly called as 3 steps and a runner, broke plane, TD


I was absolutely shocked that TD was upheld. I personally didn't think he maintained possession (ball was rolling around in his forearm as he went out of bounds). Now, if they actually stuck to their own definition of what should be considered "clear and obvious visual evidence", then maybe it wasn't enough to overturn it.

But we've all seen them overturn calls on much, much less.


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Agreed Lipps. Kind of ironic that two plays last night that the Pats have been milking all season basically went against them in the biggest of all games. Justice, perhaps.


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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
BethlehemSteel wrote:
swissvale72 wrote:
What were the Patriots going to do without their best play this season...the Riveron Reversal.


I'd say they got one turned back on them with the play to #30, the ertz play was perfectly called as 3 steps and a runner, broke plane, TD


I was absolutely shocked that TD was upheld. I personally didn't think he maintained possession (ball was rolling around in his forearm as he went out of bounds). Now, if they actually stuck to their own definition of what should be considered "clear and obvious visual evidence", then maybe it wasn't enough to overturn it.

But we've all seen them overturn calls on much, much less.
I was watching end of the game with my partner, and told her that the call would be a defining moment for the NFL. If the TD was reversed, it would accelerate the downfall of the NFL. For all to see. In the biggest game of the season. It was a catch and a TD, whatever the fuck the "rules" say.

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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
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What were the Patriots going to do without their best play this season...the Riveron Reversal.


I'd say they got one turned back on them with the play to #30, the ertz play was perfectly called as 3 steps and a runner, broke plane, TD


I was absolutely shocked that TD was upheld. I personally didn't think he maintained possession (ball was rolling around in his forearm as he went out of bounds). Now, if they actually stuck to their own definition of what should be considered "clear and obvious visual evidence", then maybe it wasn't enough to overturn it.

But we've all seen them overturn calls on much, much less.


Roger Goodell wants the rule changed next year.

I think it was clear he ordered Alberto Riveron that under no circumstances could he allow the bad PR on the controversy that would be generated over a reversed TD rear it's ugly head.

So he ordered Riveron to stop looking for miniscule reasons to overturn calls on the field.

I also think the refs...known to be a flag-happy bunch, especially eager to throw DPI flags...were ordered to keep their flags in their pockets.

Thus we got hardly any penalties called and also the rare anomaly of zero holding calls and yet only one sack.

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Exactly. The NFL was at a crossroads; what kind of product are you putting out there? Are you really going to overturn two phenomenal football plays because of a technicality that even the damn league doesn’t fully understand? If so, what are we even watching? Is it a sport anymore?


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Jeemie wrote:
Roger Goodell wants the rule changed next year.

I think it was clear he ordered Alberto Riveron that under no circumstances could he allow the bad PR on the controversy that would be generated over a reversed TD rear it's ugly head.

So he ordered Riveron to stop looking for miniscule reasons to overturn calls on the field.

I also think the refs...known to be a flag-happy bunch, especially eager to throw DPI flags...were ordered to keep their flags in their pockets.

Thus we got hardly any penalties called and also the rare anomaly of zero holding calls and yet only one sack.


you mean he had to have indisputable proof!!! :o

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ESPN article has one penalty on the Pats; but there were really two; false start on Gronk and offsides on a Eagles FG that was declined.

8, count em, EIGHT penalties called on NE the entire playoffs. EIGHT that were accepted, declined or offset.


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ESPN article has one penalty on the Pats; but there were really two; false start on Gronk and offsides on a Eagles FG that was declined.

8, count em, EIGHT penalties called on NE the entire playoffs. EIGHT that were accepted, declined or offset.

How many of those were during the play as well? I imagine most were pre-snap.

I believe I heard that the false start in the Super Bowl was the only penalty on the Pats' offense the entire post season.


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After Sunday’s game, Belichick said it was a football decision, not rooted in discipline.

Here’s what Patricia delivered: “We just played all the guys we could to try to help us win in whatever packages we had. Different situations came up, and we were just trying to move things around . . . He was active for the game and anybody who is active for the game is ready to go. We just had a situation where we had some matchups and packages that we went with.’’

Bull. Crap. Like Belichick, Patricia embarrasses himself and the team with this non-answer of an obvious and important question.

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The lack of penalties on the Pats is truly staggering. If you watch closely, you can see holding by their Oline almost every pass play. I can't believe how well schooled they are to get away with it. They do it quite subtly at times. Other times it is quite obvious but the refs somehow miss it.

I thought NE had clear DPIs on both of the Eagles two point tries last night. Again, not sure what refs were doing. I also thought Gilmore had DPI on the play where Alshon bobbled the ball and it was picked. Gilmore blocked Alshon's left arm before the ball arrived and he could only get his right arm on it.

I think NE is well coached to push the boundaries of offensive and defensive holding and DPI. Shame on the refs for missing a lot of it though.


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that blog article was spot on. they always get the least calls and the most favorable, but looks like Goodell pressed the scale the other way last night.

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that blog article was spot on. they always get the least calls and the most favorable, but looks like Goodell pressed the scale the other way last night.


What blog article?

And where's the Gasper article that mentions the Riveron Reversal?

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Schiano being named Pats DC. That pretty much cements that BB is not retiring.

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Jeemie wrote:
BethlehemSteel wrote:
that blog article was spot on. they always get the least calls and the most favorable, but looks like Goodell pressed the scale the other way last night.


What blog article?

And where's the Gasper article that mentions the Riveron Reversal?


this one from last week

https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playoffs/ ... lties-edge

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Jeemie wrote:
BethlehemSteel wrote:
that blog article was spot on. they always get the least calls and the most favorable, but looks like Goodell pressed the scale the other way last night.


What blog article?

And where's the Gasper article that mentions the Riveron Reversal?


http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patri ... story.html


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The reasons there were so few sacks or near sacks was IMO due in large part to the decision to not call holding

I agree with jeemie ... I believe the refs were told to lay off the flags especially for DPI and holding
The were also told no intricate rule interpretations ... keep it clean

The league wanted clean offense driven football


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Just curious as to how the schadenfreude ranks with you on this one. Here's how I rank them:

1. 2007 vs. Giants - broke up their perfect season
2. 2017 vs. Eagles - defense and BB implode. Talking so much shit about getting to six
3. 2011 vs. Giants - losing to Eli twice. This game Eli made a Brady-like pass to Manningham to get the Giants to victory.

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Just curious as to how the schadenfreude ranks with you on this one. Here's how I rank them:

1. 2007 vs. Giants - broke up their perfect season
2. 2017 vs. Eagles - defense and BB implode. Talking so much shit about getting to six
3. 2011 vs. Giants - losing to Eli twice. This game Eli made a Brady-like pass to Manningham to get the Giants to victory.


I'll put them in the same order. Great thing in all THREE games, is Patriots gave up a late 4Q TD to lose the game!!


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swissvale72 wrote:
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Just curious as to how the schadenfreude ranks with you on this one. Here's how I rank them:

1. 2007 vs. Giants - broke up their perfect season
2. 2017 vs. Eagles - defense and BB implode. Talking so much shit about getting to six
3. 2011 vs. Giants - losing to Eli twice. This game Eli made a Brady-like pass to Manningham to get the Giants to victory.


I'll put them in the same order. Great thing in all THREE games, is Patriots gave up a late 4Q TD to lose the game!!


same order here.

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More on Butler

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If it was disciplinary, Butler wouldn't have been playing in the game at all. But he was playing on special teams. Short of throwing the game on purpose or early-onset dementia, there is no explanation for Bill's behavior.
Butler had ONE SNAP all game. He was on the Wing on the Punt Coverage unit..

That's a player who has been demoted from the starting line-up for whatever reason.

The rumors are starting to pile up. I don't know what, if any are true, but there are now Two Ex-Patriots who have come out mentioning things. They have somewhat corroborated the RobotDave Tweets that we saw..

- Missing Team flight to MN
- Cleaning out his locker at Gillette after team left
- dogging it in practice when he finally did get to MN.
- partying late and missing curfew.
- Caught smoking weed during Room Check.
- Missing Saturday's team meeting. (BTW, BB benched Adalius Thomas for the same thing. Thomas still dressed, but spent the entire game on the sidelines).
- Arguing with coaches on Saturday.

I don't know what is true. Only Butler and the Coaches do. But if he missed Saturday's Team meeting, then that's on him. Especially since it's been a standing rule of BB's.

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