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Author:  Scunge [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:03 pm ]
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Good. I want to see more shakeup on the defensive side of the coaching. John Mitchell. Don't give me that bullshit that he is a great coach. I remember a story where Cam Heyward went to Tomlin to get his blessing to spend time in the offseason learning how to be a better pass rusher at a former NFL players camp, and wondered to myself, why does he have to do that? Why can't Mitchell teach his players everything they need to know?

I look at the emergence of Cam as a pass rusher this season and can't really see Mitchell getting any credit for it. Cam was hungry for knowledge and skill, of techniques and he had to look elsewhere to get that knowledge, and look, once he got that coaching, he produced a 12 sack season. That is pretty damning to me. Mitchell needs to go, too mired in the 3-4, we need a defensive line coach that can teach our players how to pass rush and not just be two gap defensive linemen.

I don't want to see any more former players hired. They all have expertise in a 3-4 and we need to get away from that defense. They need to start bringing in more 4-3 guys. We need a defensive back coach that knows how to teach players man to man coverages yes, but we need our players to get more fundamentally sound from a tackling standpoint too. I would love to see us hire an old veteran defensive backs coach, we need to hire a Richard Mann type for the secondary.

Author:  LakecrestSteeler [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:53 pm ]
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You still have to wonder how much of the defensive turmoil was Shazier’s injury. The defense was humming along then Haden got hurt, then some bumps caused by trust issues and people trying to do too much to make up for Haden. Then we seemed to smooth out the issues and were able to maintain, but not flourish. Then Shazier gets hurt and we run into personnel issues and then more trust issues...people trying to do too much. Defensive line not complementing the secondary, the LBs making the secondary feel like run protection might take more energy than pre-Shazier’s injury.

I don’t think the defense ever recovered, and the secondary was not able to get back to the level of pre-Haden’s injury. Not an excuse, but Shazier’s hole, and Haden’s injury might have imploded the Defense more than we know. This is why you have proceed with caution when making coaching changed and personnel changes.

And BTW, had the Eagles played under the officiating umbrella we did during the home NE game, they lose. They really have Jesse James to thank for allowing them to win...the irony! Al Riveron got a dressing down for sure and it impacted the Super Bowl by 14 points. Just listen to the calls Collinsowrth got wrong as an indicator. So all these posters that want to give blow jobs to Eagles coaches think twice.

Author:  Lynch [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:54 pm ]
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Scunge wrote:
Good. I want to see more shakeup on the defensive side of the coaching. John Mitchell. Don't give me that bullshit that he is a great coach. I remember a story where Cam Heyward went to Tomlin to get his blessing to spend time in the offseason learning how to be a better pass rusher at a former NFL players camp, and wondered to myself, why does he have to do that? Why can't Mitchell teach his players everything they need to know?

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Your absolutely right, the fact that Mitchell isn't the dadburned oracle is a real letdown. Fucker should be the end all be all of every discipline of defensive football.

Author:  Jobus Rum [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:01 pm ]
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You know...it is quite possible that Lake was not fired or forced out, but actually did retire all on his own to spend time with his son and family. Not that I’m sad to see him go...

Author:  Steelafan77 [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:38 pm ]
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Fuck..., already 8 pages. Don't you guys have lives? :P

My Candidate for the new DB coach. Been out on the market for 9 days and hasn't signed anywhere I'm aware of: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 109923426/

Author:  bam morris [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:02 pm ]
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great..lake is gone. now theres a spot for Tomlins college room mate on staff.
he was great at intermural flag football. should translate well in nfl
.just so happens hes needing a job now..

Author:  Stillcajun [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:24 am ]
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franco32 wrote:
I made an argument a few weeks ago that perhaps we draft dumb players. Is it really all Lake's fault?

How come Lake was able to get Haden to learn the defense so quickly? How come Mike Hilton excelled as a first year player and made very few mental errors?

Coaches can't do everything. They certainly can't shed blocks or tackle for you and that was a big problem this year. I'm not so sure the busted coverages were Lake's fault or just the players being dumb.

I think Philly is a well coached team. We all agree on that after Sunday. Yet, their secondary was completely lost during the SB. Pats receivers were running free like gazelles in the wild. The Eagles actually were WORSE than even last year's Steelers during the AFC Championship game were our secondary was breaking down left and right.

At the end of the day, players have to understand scheme, study film, and know their role in the defense (ie. when to switch off and when not to).


It seemed as if Burns and Davis spent too much time thinking instead of having their instincts take over. One play they looked like world beaters and then the next totally inept. From what was on tape it seemed that they really suffered w/ zone concepts and what to do at times. Mitchell was just inept out there. Very disconcerting.

Author:  StillMadAtSlobber [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:06 am ]
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GreekSteel wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Steelers are VERY clear about this, since Cowher: the ORGANIZATION makes coaching hires. That includes the HC but he does not have unilateral hiring and firing authority. The Rooneys felt that was the biggest mistake of the Cowher tenure... giving him too much authority.




That was/is wrong...cowher was still better at it, and no doubt has a say, a rather large one id say


Like when he ran off Bobby April? I beg to differ.

The genius of Joe Walton?

Author:  GreekSteel [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:28 am ]
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StillMadAtSlobber wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Steelers are VERY clear about this, since Cowher: the ORGANIZATION makes coaching hires. That includes the HC but he does not have unilateral hiring and firing authority. The Rooneys felt that was the biggest mistake of the Cowher tenure... giving him too much authority.




That was/is wrong...cowher was still better at it, and no doubt has a say, a rather large one id say


Like when he ran off Bobby April? I beg to differ.

The genius of Joe Walton?




at least we didnt get 5 years of walton like we did of haley..cowher fixed it right away with chan gailey..bobby april wanted big dollars at the time if i recall...big dollars for a ST coach?? he correctly showed him the door

Author:  StillMadAtSlobber [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:33 am ]
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PFT says we are talking to Karl Dunbar (Jets assistant) as D-line coach.

Author:  GreekSteel [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:34 am ]
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Scunge wrote:
Good. I want to see more shakeup on the defensive side of the coaching. John Mitchell. Don't give me that bullshit that he is a great coach. I remember a story where Cam Heyward went to Tomlin to get his blessing to spend time in the offseason learning how to be a better pass rusher at a former NFL players camp, and wondered to myself, why does he have to do that? Why can't Mitchell teach his players everything they need to know?

I look at the emergence of Cam as a pass rusher this season and can't really see Mitchell getting any credit for it. Cam was hungry for knowledge and skill, of techniques and he had to look elsewhere to get that knowledge, and look, once he got that coaching, he produced a 12 sack season. That is pretty damning to me. Mitchell needs to go, too mired in the 3-4, we need a defensive line coach that can teach our players how to pass rush and not just be two gap defensive linemen.

I don't want to see any more former players hired. They all have expertise in a 3-4 and we need to get away from that defense. They need to start bringing in more 4-3 guys. We need a defensive back coach that knows how to teach players man to man coverages yes, but we need our players to get more fundamentally sound from a tackling standpoint too. I would love to see us hire an old veteran defensive backs coach, we need to hire a Richard Mann type for the secondary.




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Waking up to news of Karl Dunbar interested in Steelers DL job. Idea of John Mitchell retiring is crushing.

Author:  StillMadAtSlobber [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:37 am ]
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GreekSteel wrote:
StillMadAtSlobber wrote:
Like when he ran off Bobby April? I beg to differ.

The genius of Joe Walton?




at least we didnt get 5 years of walton like we did of haley..cowher fixed it right away with chan gailey..bobby april wanted big dollars at the time if i recall...big dollars for a ST coach?? he correctly showed him the door


I never heard any BS about salary. He's bounced around every since. Our ST have been ass every since. So no, it wasn't a correct decision by any measure unless you are a Cower apologist.

Author:  ChippedHamSandwich [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:27 pm ]
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Scunge wrote:
Good. I want to see more shakeup on the defensive side of the coaching. John Mitchell. Don't give me that bullshit that he is a great coach. I remember a story where Cam Heyward went to Tomlin to get his blessing to spend time in the offseason learning how to be a better pass rusher at a former NFL players camp, and wondered to myself, why does he have to do that? Why can't Mitchell teach his players everything they need to know?

I look at the emergence of Cam as a pass rusher this season and can't really see Mitchell getting any credit for it. Cam was hungry for knowledge and skill, of techniques and he had to look elsewhere to get that knowledge, and look, once he got that coaching, he produced a 12 sack season. That is pretty damning to me. Mitchell needs to go, too mired in the 3-4, we need a defensive line coach that can teach our players how to pass rush and not just be two gap defensive linemen.

I don't want to see any more former players hired. They all have expertise in a 3-4 and we need to get away from that defense. They need to start bringing in more 4-3 guys. We need a defensive back coach that knows how to teach players man to man coverages yes, but we need our players to get more fundamentally sound from a tackling standpoint too. I would love to see us hire an old veteran defensive backs coach, we need to hire a Richard Mann type for the secondary.


Scunge....good call on this, now moving forward.

Is Karl Dunbar a good D-Line Coach and does this possibly mean a switch to a 4-3 Defense?

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:57 pm ]
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Alabama runs 3-4, doesn't it?

Author:  jebrick [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:05 pm ]
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Alabama runs 3-4, doesn't it?


do not let facts get in the way of an obsession :D

Author:  jebrick [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:12 pm ]
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Corey Raymond is mentioned on a site as a possibility for DB coach. Not sure if he is considered or not.

Author:  FC [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:17 pm ]
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Raymond would be a great hire....He is ahead of the game when it comes to coaching technique.

He is another fiery personality

Author:  COR-TEN [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:39 pm ]
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FC wrote:
He is another fiery personality
Great. Maybe he'll light a fire under some of these asses.

Author:  Poltargyst [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:41 pm ]
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Joe Walton was never OC under Cowher.

Author:  jebrick [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:36 pm ]
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#Steelers hired UCLA Defensive Coordinator Tom Bradley as their Defensive Back Coach

Twitter: James Layton

Here is our new DB Coach.

Author:  steelmann58 [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:04 pm ]
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Hopefully he be good but needed better players

Author:  Jobus Rum [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:12 pm ]
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steelmann58 wrote:
Hopefully he be good but needed better players

Sometimes good players only need to be coached better.

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