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Author:  Lynch [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:50 pm ]
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Ben has nearly put the finishing touches on his Milledgeville diet. Soon, he'll be coming to camp in the best shape of his life each new year.

Author:  franco32 [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:57 pm ]
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If only he could have the lean muscle mass of Brady Quinn.

He had 5 TDs against the best defense in the league (close to 6 but one was a lateral to Bell). Of all the things to bitch about this off season, Ben's body fat is at the bottom of the list.

We should be focused on that dumpster fire of a defense or we are going nowhere.

Author:  COR-TEN [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:41 pm ]
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franco32 wrote:
If only he could have the lean muscle mass of Brady Quinn.

He had 5 TDs against the best defense in the league (close to 6 but one was a lateral to Bell). Of all the things to bitch about this off season, Ben's body fat is at the bottom of the list.

We should be focused on that dumpster fire of a defense or we are going nowhere.
BR would have a double chin if he were anorexic.

Author:  Dan Smith--BYU [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:52 pm ]
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15 lbs of body fat could make the split second difference between an escape/completion and an ACL at this point in his career.

Author:  Rocky Mtn Stiller [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:52 pm ]
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Image

Old fat and slow has been done.

Author:  bam morris [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:21 pm ]
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be nice if ben took fitness a little bit more serious..
instead of resembling jared lorenzen...
https://www.google.com/search?q=jared+l ... 80&bih=602

Author:  TB [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:54 pm ]
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Regardless of where you stand on the subject, it's inarguable that as he gets older his fitness and conditioning becomes more and more important. At least, if he plans to stay healthy and keep playing at an elite level.

Author:  Lynch [ Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:36 pm ]
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TB wrote:
Regardless of where you stand on the subject, it's inarguable that as he gets older his fitness and conditioning becomes more and more important. At least, if he plans to stay healthy and keep playing at an elite level.


I think a more accurate way to put this, would be to state that as he gets older, it will take more attention to diet and exercise for Ben to maintain his normal level of fitness. He's been a pretty durable doughboy thus far, and really, that's all he needs to be.

Author:  Steelafan77 [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:42 am ]
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free up $40 million in cap space: https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/p ... olbert-nfl

Author:  Still Lit [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:01 am ]
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Lynch wrote:
TB wrote:
Regardless of where you stand on the subject, it's inarguable that as he gets older his fitness and conditioning becomes more and more important. At least, if he plans to stay healthy and keep playing at an elite level.


I think a more accurate way to put this, would be to state that as he gets older, it will take more attention to diet and exercise for Ben to maintain his normal level of fitness. He's been a pretty durable doughboy thus far, and really, that's all he needs to be.


So Ben should do what Tomlin does and just get by on talent alone. I see.

Author:  franco32 [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:11 am ]
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I get it. We want Ben to star in a Beach Body workout video. It isn't happening.

What we do know is that BR was the best QB in football over the 2nd half of the season and bailed that abortion of a defense out on numerous occasions. The Pittsburgh Steelers energies right now should be totally focused on fixing the D by any means necessary.

Author:  R S [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:16 am ]
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
fortythree wrote:
Yeah Ben's diet hindered his play this season. He was total garbage and was lucky the team won in spite of him.


I do wish that Ben would do more than kayak in the offseason in terms of getting his body ready for the season, however. Especially now that he's getting older.

And you think that's all he does because.... ?
You don't think he has a diet to get his body ready because...?


He definitely golfs at least 4 days a week. Probably get's a lot of good walking in on those days.

Author:  Still Lit [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:18 am ]
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franco32 wrote:
I get it. We want Ben to star in a Beach Body workout video. It isn't happening.

What we do know is that BR was the best QB in football over the 2nd half of the season and bailed that abortion of a defense out on numerous occasions. The Pittsburgh Steelers energies right now should be totally focused on fixing the D by any means necessary.


Actually you seem not to get it.

Do you know what presenting an opponent's position in the most extreme, caricatured way possible is called?

It's an informal fallacy, by the way. Appeal to the extreme.

Author:  BethlehemSteel [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:38 am ]
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you fat fuckers should talk about being in shape. I am sure 95% of ya are packing it on, especially after 35

:lol:

Author:  Baltostiller [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:42 am ]
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COR-TEN wrote:
franco32 wrote:
If only he could have the lean muscle mass of Brady Quinn.

He had 5 TDs against the best defense in the league (close to 6 but one was a lateral to Bell). Of all the things to bitch about this off season, Ben's body fat is at the bottom of the list.

We should be focused on that dumpster fire of a defense or we are going nowhere.
BR would have a double chin if he were anorexic.


You guys act like Ben had a sqare-lantern jaw when he was drafted and has morphed into Jabba the hutt.

Ben on draft day
https://tinyurl.com/ycv85cor
Ben at camp 2017.
https://tinyurl.com/y9rdp6qd

Hope the pics came through.

Sorry I don't see the fat tub of shit that many of you see in Ben. None of us has any clue what he does in the offseason or what he eats. I think his early season struggles were due to a non-disclosed shoulder problem. He was pushing the ball at times and it floated. It appeared that he got right mid-season and his arm was back. Hopefully he won't have any problems coming into camp this year. Need to fix the mess that is the D.

Author:  955876 [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:55 pm ]
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I don’t care what he looks like.

I can tell he has been pretty sloth like trying to move at times.

I don’t expect Mike Vick out there or even Benjisan circa 2005. At the same time, I don’t believe he does all he can to maintain his mobility a bit better.

A lot of first downs could be had out there if he was a bit more nimble and took advantage of a defense focused on other things.

Author:  COR-TEN [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:26 pm ]
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Baltostiller wrote:
COR-TEN wrote:
franco32 wrote:
If only he could have the lean muscle mass of Brady Quinn.

He had 5 TDs against the best defense in the league (close to 6 but one was a lateral to Bell). Of all the things to bitch about this off season, Ben's body fat is at the bottom of the list.

We should be focused on that dumpster fire of a defense or we are going nowhere.
BR would have a double chin if he were anorexic.


You guys act like Ben had a sqare-lantern jaw when he was drafted and has morphed into Jabba the hutt.

Ben on draft day
https://tinyurl.com/ycv85cor
Ben at camp 2017.
https://tinyurl.com/y9rdp6qd

Hope the pics came through.

Sorry I don't see the fat tub of shit that many of you see in Ben. None of us has any clue what he does in the offseason or what he eats. I think his early season struggles were due to a non-disclosed shoulder problem. He was pushing the ball at times and it floated. It appeared that he got right mid-season and his arm was back. Hopefully he won't have any problems coming into camp this year. Need to fix the mess that is the D.
I actually agree with you but didn't post pics. He does seem to not run effectively, though, and lost some quickness.

But like I said, he would look fat and lazy to those that make judgements based on the roll of fat under his jaw. Which he's had since he came into the league.

Author:  Lynch [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:06 pm ]
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Still Lit wrote:
Lynch wrote:
TB wrote:
Regardless of where you stand on the subject, it's inarguable that as he gets older his fitness and conditioning becomes more and more important. At least, if he plans to stay healthy and keep playing at an elite level.


I think a more accurate way to put this, would be to state that as he gets older, it will take more attention to diet and exercise for Ben to maintain his normal level of fitness. He's been a pretty durable doughboy thus far, and really, that's all he needs to be.


So Ben should do what Tomlin does and just get by on talent alone. I see.


No, thats what he WAS doing before hella-smart Haley forced him to start developing and using his brain. We can only hope he retains Haley's lessons moving forward.

Author:  Dan Smith--BYU [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:50 pm ]
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I don't need Ben to have a six pack or to model for GQ.

I want him to be 5% more fleet of foot in the pocket.

That may be the difference between a great play and a season ending disaster.

Author:  BarryFoster [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:42 pm ]
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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
I don't need Ben to have a six pack or to model for GQ.

I want him to be 5% more fleet of foot in the pocket.

That may be the difference between a great play and a season ending disaster.


Dan, with all due respect, I ran the numbers as well.

We need him to be 7.5% more fleet of foot.

Author:  Lynch [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:34 pm ]
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We need him to keep on the path Haley started him on. Get rid of football, live to fight another play.

Author:  Gonzo [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:55 am ]
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Of course he does
No one ... he and Brady et al are going to leave 20m+ a year on the table at the young age of late 30s, 40. Especially in a league looking desparateky for and protecting good QBs

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:40 am ]
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It's a golden age of QB play, though. There are more competent NFL QBs now than at any time I can remember going back 30 years. By the start of 2018 season, there might not be any team with an absolutely incompetent boob playing QB-- just 3-4 years ago half the league was without a QB.

Author:  Kodiak [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:49 am ]
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
It's a golden age of QB play, though.


It's the golden age of rules favoring the passing game.

There's always a new flavor of the month. Hasn't been another consistently great QB since Ben/Rivers/Rodgers/Ryan came into the league. Many pretenders, though.

If not for the rules favoring the passing game, I actually think we're in a drought not terribly different from the Cowher era.

Author:  Suwanee88 [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:52 pm ]
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Steelafan77 wrote:

Thx!

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:30 pm ]
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Kodiak wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
It's a golden age of QB play, though.


It's the golden age of rules favoring the passing game.

There's always a new flavor of the month. Hasn't been another consistently great QB since Ben/Rivers/Rodgers/Ryan came into the league. Many pretenders, though.

If not for the rules favoring the passing game, I actually think we're in a drought not terribly different from the Cowher era.

Ben, Rivers, Brees, Rodgers, Eli,

Alex Smith
Ryan
Stafford
Wilson
Cam Newton
Andrew Luck
Wentz
Cousins
Bradford
Carr

Now the next wave of above competent:
Prescott, Watson, Goff, Mariota, Garoppolo, Foles, Keenum, Trubisky, Winston, Mahomes

When the fringe guys are Bortles, Tyrod Taylor, Dalton, Flacco, Tannehill, McCown... the league is pretty strong

Author:  Kodiak [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:42 pm ]
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
It's a golden age of QB play, though.


It's the golden age of rules favoring the passing game.

There's always a new flavor of the month. Hasn't been another consistently great QB since Ben/Rivers/Rodgers/Ryan came into the league. Many pretenders, though.

If not for the rules favoring the passing game, I actually think we're in a drought not terribly different from the Cowher era.

Ben, Rivers, Brees, Rodgers, Eli,

Alex Smith
Ryan
Stafford
Wilson
Cam Newton
Andrew Luck
Wentz
Cousins
Bradford
Carr

Now the next wave of above competent:
Prescott, Watson, Goff, Mariota, Garoppolo, Foles, Keenum, Trubisky, Winston, Mahomes

When the fringe guys are Bortles, Tyrod Taylor, Dalton, Flacco, Tannehill, McCown... the league is pretty strong


You kind of made my point. Those guys pretty much suck - anyone can win a SB, but it's not very likely. How many SB's, much less titles on that list? Most of those guys will never sniff a SB unless the stars align. Half of them can't even take their team to the playoffs.

You're making an argument about numbers, which the league is set-up to produce passing numbers these days. But most of those guys are Neil O'Donnell types (especially Stafford) at best if they're playing 20 years ago. Alex Smith might as well be Mike Tomczak.

Author:  Lynch [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:15 pm ]
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Prescott, Watson and Winston definetely don't belong. An argument could be made that Wilson and Mariota don't either. Bortles, Dalton, Flacco and Tannehill are all pretty good though.

Author:  Kodiak [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:40 pm ]
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Lynch wrote:
Prescott, Watson and Winston definetely don't belong. An argument could be made that Wilson and Mariota don't either. Bortles, Dalton, Flacco and Tannehill are all pretty good though.


Yeah, I really don't buy this "golden age of QB" stuff....It's the golden age of the passing game, after rules changes to attract casual fans and fantasy football. Outside of a handful of guys, most of those QB's are completely mediocre in the game 20 years ago. Hell, most of them are mediocre today, they just pile up some nice numbers in a pass-happy league.

Author:  Lynch [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:31 pm ]
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It's certainly easier to throw the ball today than at any time in the past, that's for sure.

Author:  Rocky Mtn Stiller [ Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:21 pm ]
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What some of those guys lack in talent they make up for in PI calls.

Author:  R S [ Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:42 pm ]
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Lynch wrote:
Prescott, Watson and Winston definetely don't belong. An argument could be made that Wilson and Mariota don't either. Bortles, Dalton, Flacco and Tannehill are all pretty good though.


You picked all the bown skinned guys. Dalton and Tannehill are better than Russell Wilson....right. Your racist schtick is borish

Author:  Poltargyst [ Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:29 pm ]
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Actually I've never been all that sold on Wilson beyond his athletic ability.

Author:  Lynch [ Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:00 pm ]
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R S wrote:
Lynch wrote:
Prescott, Watson and Winston definetely don't belong. An argument could be made that Wilson and Mariota don't either. Bortles, Dalton, Flacco and Tannehill are all pretty good though.


You picked all the bown skinned guys. Dalton and Tannehill are better than Russell Wilson....right. Your racist schtick is borish


Hell, I hadn't even noticed. I really don't see color when it comes to football players. That said, I do think an nfl qb should be able to make his drop, read, and toss the ball. The guys I pointed out above all have trouble doing the read part of it in time. Some might say that part of their game hasn't evolved yet.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:09 pm ]
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Poltargyst wrote:
Actually I've never been all that sold on Wilson beyond his athletic ability.

Really? He's very, very good.

QB Win %: 8th (Ben 10th, Bradshaw 7th)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_career_quarterback_wins_leaders

YPA: 11th all time (Ben 8th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_per_att_career.htm

QB rating: 2nd all-time (Ben 9th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

comp %: 12th all time (Ben 11th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm

Int %: 5th all-time (Ben 33rd)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_perc_career.htm

TD %: 19th all-time (Ben 41st)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_td_perc_career.htm

Of course, there's some adjustment for era... but even among those in his era he's been fantastic.

Author:  Poltargyst [ Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:19 pm ]
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:
Actually I've never been all that sold on Wilson beyond his athletic ability.

Really? He's very, very good.

QB Win %: 8th (Ben 10th, Bradshaw 7th)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_career_quarterback_wins_leaders

YPA: 11th all time (Ben 8th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_per_att_career.htm

QB rating: 2nd all-time (Ben 9th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

comp %: 12th all time (Ben 11th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm

Int %: 5th all-time (Ben 33rd)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_perc_career.htm

TD %: 19th all-time (Ben 41st)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_td_perc_career.htm

Of course, there's some adjustment for era... but even among those in his era he's been fantastic.

Ok

Author:  Lynch [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:56 am ]
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Wilson's been okay running that college offense... The running threat helps open thing up down field for sure. Most guys get broken before they complete a year if they're tasked to do it in the pros though.

Author:  Jeemie [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:28 am ]
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Lynch wrote:
Wilson's been okay running that college offense... The running threat helps open thing up down field for sure. Most guys get broken before they complete a year if they're tasked to do it in the pros though.


The 16th and 21st ranked rushing offense?

That rushing offense?

Author:  Lynch [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:52 am ]
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What percentage of those rushing yards have been Wilson's???? Yes Jeemie, THAT college offense.

Author:  Jeemie [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:00 am ]
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Lynch wrote:
What percentage of those rushing yards have been Wilson's???? Yes Jeemie, THAT college offense.


You don’t even realize that these stats do not support your assertion that the threat of a run game opens up downfield passing for Wilson.

Their run game has been mediocre since Lynch left.

Author:  Ice [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:28 am ]
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Been a while since Seattle has had a strong rushing attack. And people get on Tomlin for not watching other teams' games.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:12 pm ]
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Jeemie wrote:
Lynch wrote:
What percentage of those rushing yards have been Wilson's???? Yes Jeemie, THAT college offense.


You don’t even realize that these stats do not support your assertion that the threat of a run game opens up downfield passing for Wilson.

Their run game has been mediocre since Lynch left.

In fairness, when they've some RBs healthy, it was pretty good... but that hasn't been very often. Also, his OL has been gloriously bad.

Seattle OL rankings (football outsiders) in Wilson's career:
2012: run 12, pass 20.
2013: 9, 32
2014: 4, 24
2015: 4, 30
2016: 26, 25
2017: 31, 26

Author:  Jobus Rum [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:16 pm ]
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I think Lunch is talking about the threat of Wilson running/scrambling.

Author:  Jeemie [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:26 pm ]
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Jobus Rum wrote:
I think Lunch is talking about the threat of Wilson running/scrambling.


That hurts his argument even more.

Author:  Jobus Rum [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:50 pm ]
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Jeemie wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:
I think Lunch is talking about the threat of Wilson running/scrambling.


That hurts his argument even more.

Well, we all know what his actual argument is here...

Author:  COR-TEN [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:52 pm ]
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Jobus Rum wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:
I think Lunch is talking about the threat of Wilson running/scrambling.


That hurts his argument even more.

Well, we all know what his actual argument is here...
There's an argument?

Author:  Lynch [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:13 pm ]
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Jeemie wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:
I think Lunch is talking about the threat of Wilson running/scrambling.


That hurts his argument even more.


Lol, jeemie... just give up man. You're making a fool of yourself... again.

Author:  R S [ Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:30 am ]
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Anyone that ranks Tannehill and Dalton above Russell Wilson has not watched much football, if any, outside of the Steelers.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:56 pm ]
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R S wrote:
Anyone that ranks Tannehill and Dalton above Russell Wilson has not watched much football, if any, outside of the Steelers.

Or is ranking on a completely different criterion.

Author:  Havoc [ Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:13 pm ]
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:
Actually I've never been all that sold on Wilson beyond his athletic ability.

Really? He's very, very good.

QB Win %: 8th (Ben 10th, Bradshaw 7th)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_career_quarterback_wins_leaders

YPA: 11th all time (Ben 8th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_per_att_career.htm

QB rating: 2nd all-time (Ben 9th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

comp %: 12th all time (Ben 11th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm

Int %: 5th all-time (Ben 33rd)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_perc_career.htm

TD %: 19th all-time (Ben 41st)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_td_perc_career.htm

Of course, there's some adjustment for era... but even among those in his era he's been fantastic.


Our 2 franchise qb's are Bradshaw and Ben. IMO, Steelers fans should be slow to dis playmaking qb's like Favre and Wilson who have won big in this league.

Full disclosure... I have not watched Wilson much the past couple years. I used to enjoy watching him play though.

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