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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:58 am 
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So sick and tired of this asshole... tag the fucker and trade his ass....


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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I don't know, lately I have been daydreaming of one RB that I would consider in place of Bell.

Hear me out, there is really only one RB worth a damn in free agency, Carlos Hyde. He is big, 6'0 230-235 pounds and has a very deceptive running style, many might think he is this bruising, punishing style of RB but he also has deceptive speed and breaks off many long runs over 20+ yards. He had 6 runs over 20+ yards, Bell had just 3 this past season, and Hyde had one run over 40+ yards (a 61 yard run). He has always played behind a crappy O-line, with poor QB play and he might really do well in Pittsburgh. Hyde had 59 receptions last season. Yes, he had probably more drops than Bell but it was also really the first season that they really involved him heavily in the passing game. He also would really need to improve his pass protection, but James Saxon could whip him into shape.

He will turn 28 in September.

So, do you give Bell that franchise number of $14.5 million and watch him play that out and leave for the 2019 season?

Or do you just talk to Hyde and say hey how would you like to be the new starting RB for the Super Bowl contending Pittsburgh Steelers? How would you like to run behind an offensive line composed of Pro Bowlers? How would you like to play with a HOF QB in Big Ben?

Wouldn't it be better to pursue Hyde and give him a 4 year $24 million contract that pays him an average of $6 million a year? Wouldn't it be better to have a RB that will be here for the next 3 years with Ben? They can still draft a RB in round 5 to return kicks and be a complementary 3rd down back, they still have Connor. A trio of Carlos Hyde, James Connor and a 5th round rookie RB would be a nice option.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:08 am 
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there is really only one RB worth a damn in free agency, Carlos Hyde.
A great replacement at a reasonable cost. There are several RB's in FA that would fit the bill behind the Steelers top 5 OLine. Hyde is certainly one of them. I agree Scunge. To name a few... Isaiah Crowell, Dion Lewis, Jerick McKinnon, Damien Williams are all in the 25-27 year old RB's range. Young, productive and capable. Not to mention what's in the draft this year.


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:11 am 
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Jeemie wrote:
Both Super Bowl teams had RB by committee.

Bell either signs a reasonable deal, or let him walk, fix the D, and learn how to get better production out of RB by committee.

Tomlin wants to prove he's a good coach?

Stop trying to load up at star players at every position so you can coast by on them.


totally agree. It is better for the team to let Bell walk then to pay him more than $10M per year.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:27 am 
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Well, to me, Hyde is the only option. He has star potential in our offense, running behind our O-line and the rest of the supporting cast. The other free agent RBs are just pretenders to me, they have too many warts, Hyde has the goods, had the talent and the production, the past two seasons he has combined for over 1900+ yards rushing, 14 rushing TDs, and also had 86 receptions and another 3 TDs.

He could be a 3 down back in our offense, some of the other FA RBs have holes in their game, can't do it all, Hyde can.

Anyway, he is the one player that I would consider. Go to Bell and say hey, this is our final offer and then if he turns up his nose you go to Carlos Hyde and say hey, here is a 4 year $24-28 million deal. Handle it like the Wallace/Brown thing again, sort of. He is a former Ohio State Buckeye, we have some of his former teammates on the team, maybe they can put in a good word, convince him, also maybe he might like to be closer to home, a Cincy native, etc.

That 14.5 million franchise number is just crazy when you stop and consider that could easily pay for half the cost of a contract to a player like Carlos Hyde.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Jerick McKinnon would be a great pick up if the goal is to have an offense that looked like the ones in the SB. He's a guy that you could give 15 touches a game to. I'd imagine you could get him for 4M or less per season. He has home run ability.

McKinnon, Conner, and, say, a 3rd round RB would give you a nice stable of backs.


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Carlos Hyde. He is big, 6'0 230-235 pounds and has a very deceptive running style


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Will be 28
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Zero interest

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I really like the idea of Hyde, with Conner backing up and maybe pick-up a specialist or 3rd down guy in FA or the draft.

But will Hyde actually make it to FA? the 49ers have $116M in cap space currently. Which ALSO makes an interesting trading partner for Bell - we tag and trade Bell, and they sign Hyde to a long-term deal and eat additional cap on him to actually trade some cap dollars to PIT (again, too cutting edge for Colbert).

Hyde is probably just not worth tagging for SF, but they figure to easily match anything reasonable Hyde gets. The only exception would be they could go after Bell in a big way. And I bet they would love to bring in a guy like Bell with Garappalo.

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Carlos Hyde. He is big, 6'0 230-235 pounds and has a very deceptive running style


Fumbles
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Will be 28
Poor team mate

Zero interest



Draft Rashaad Penny and theres your cheap franchise RB?..does he make it to our rnd 2 pick?


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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jebrick wrote:
totally agree. It is better for the team to let Bell walk then to pay him more than $10M per year.


But ONLY if you can use that money for an impact player on defense. Otherwise why are you making your team worse to save some money....for what?

The cap is projected to increase another $7-$10M this year. I don't think there are going to be many (if any) studs available on defense - the guys who are worth the big bucks are getting resigned.....the rest usually have some major issues or are already declining in a significant way.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Kodiak wrote:
jebrick wrote:
totally agree. It is better for the team to let Bell walk then to pay him more than $10M per year.


But ONLY if you can use that money for an impact player on defense. Otherwise why are you making your team worse to save some money....for what?

The cap is projected to increase another $7-$10M this year. I don't think there are going to be many (if any) studs available on defense - the guys who are worth the big bucks are getting resigned.....the rest usually have some major issues or are already declining in a significant way.



maybe try to trade some present and future draft capital and/or bell to move way up in the draft and take a real stud sideline to sideline replacement for Shazier, a guy like Georgias Roquan Smith.


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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GreekSteel wrote:
maybe try to trade some present and future draft capital and/or bell to move way up in the draft and take a real stud sideline to sideline replacement for Shazier, a guy like Georgias Roquan Smith.


Not a bad idea. I don't think Bell, given his contract demands along with $14.5M franchise tag, is going to bring huge value in a trade. And, of course, he has to actually sign the tag to even do the deal you're talking about.

It's a passing league - they have to fix the secondary. We really didn't lose to JAX because of an inability to stop the run, it was big passing play one after another. CHI beat us because we couldn't stop the run, but that was your typical egg lay on the road early in the season.

ILB is a big need, don't get me wrong. But that really won't fix our safeties. Our corners could be fine, if Burns pulls his head out of his ass and Sutton develops and stays healthy. Burns/Haden/Sutton/Hilton is pretty decent if you had even average safety play behind them.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Kodiak wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
maybe try to trade some present and future draft capital and/or bell to move way up in the draft and take a real stud sideline to sideline replacement for Shazier, a guy like Georgias Roquan Smith.


Not a bad idea. I don't think Bell, given his contract demands along with $14.5M franchise tag, is going to bring huge value in a trade. And, of course, he has to actually sign the tag to even do the deal you're talking about.

It's a passing league - they have to fix the secondary. We really didn't lose to JAX because of an inability to stop the run, it was big passing play one after another. CHI beat us because we couldn't stop the run, but that was your typical egg lay on the road early in the season.

ILB is a big need, don't get me wrong. But that really won't fix our safeties. Our corners could be fine, if Burns pulls his head out of his ass and Sutton develops and stays healthy. Burns/Haden/Sutton/Hilton is pretty decent if you had even average safety play behind them.



Theres a few good and better safety options in free agency over Mitchell, at ILB, not so much, Roquan Smith is a do it all speed ILB in the mold of #50


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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GreekSteel wrote:
Theres a few good and better safety options in free agency over Mitchell, at ILB, not so much, Roquan Smith is a do it all speed ILB in the mold of #50


We need both a FS and SS....and we have to do A LOT better than Mitchell.

Don't get your hopes up on ILB....VWill and Timmons are going to be your 2018 starterse :lol:

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Kodiak wrote:
I really like the idea of Hyde, with Conner backing up and maybe pick-up a specialist or 3rd down guy in FA or the draft.

But will Hyde actually make it to FA? the 49ers have $116M in cap space currently. Which ALSO makes an interesting trading partner for Bell - we tag and trade Bell, and they sign Hyde to a long-term deal and eat additional cap on him to actually trade some cap dollars to PIT (again, too cutting edge for Colbert).

Hyde is probably just not worth tagging for SF, but they figure to easily match anything reasonable Hyde gets. The only exception would be they could go after Bell in a big way. And I bet they would love to bring in a guy like Bell with Garappalo.


It's funny, isn't it?

Bell on our team might hurt our Super Bowl chances.

Bell on the 49ers with Garappalo turns them into contenders.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Kodiak wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
Theres a few good and better safety options in free agency over Mitchell, at ILB, not so much, Roquan Smith is a do it all speed ILB in the mold of #50


We need both a FS and SS....and we have to do A LOT better than Mitchell.

Don't get your hopes up on ILB....VWill and Timmons are going to be your 2018 starterse :lol:



oh without a doubt, they wont be doing what im suggesting, just spitballing here...and while we re at it, dont get your hopes up too much on a Mitchell replacement either, because Tomlin may not got be able to secure the approval of the real head man in charge...EMR


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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...and while we re at it, dont get your hopes up too much on a Mitchell replacement either,


No doubt. His cap number made getting cut a done deal....then it was pointed out he could take a big paycut to stay. :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Kodiak wrote:
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...and while we re at it, dont get your hopes up too much on a Mitchell replacement either,


No doubt. His cap number made getting cut a done deal....then it was pointed out he could take a big paycut to stay. :oops:


This is the worst part of it all.

Cutting Bell rather than paying him $14+ M per makes the most sense logically when you think what this team has to do.

But that's all predicated on trusting the coaching staff to make the correct changes elsewhere on the team...and I, for one, don't trust them.

I mean...Mitchell was so godawful bad, I wouldn't keep him if he paid the Steelers to play.

The staff and FO probably don't see it that way.

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Kodiak wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
Theres a few good and better safety options in free agency over Mitchell, at ILB, not so much, Roquan Smith is a do it all speed ILB in the mold of #50


We need both a FS and SS....and we have to do A LOT better than Mitchell.

Don't get your hopes up on ILB....VWill and Timmons are going to be your 2018 starterse :lol:

My bets on VWill and Spence... but same point.

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I do not mean to hijack the thread.

I was not a Ryan Shazier fan as a player.

If you are looking for a Ryan Shazier clone let me introduce you too....Jerome Baker


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I do not mean to hijack the thread.

I was not a Ryan Shazier fan as a player.

If you are looking for a Ryan Shazier clone let me introduce you too....Jerome Baker





Your opinion on Roquan Smith FC?


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I'll give you mine: 2 down player in the NFL

Roquan is an unbelievable downhill player. Like, tremendous.

But as soon as you get past his rear view mirrors, he's pedestrian. Gave up at least 2 bad TDs in coverage during CFB playoffs.

Roquan would be an awesome buck but he's not going to be replacing Shazier at the Mack.

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Jeemie wrote:
Both Super Bowl teams had RB by committee.

Bell either signs a reasonable deal, or let him walk, fix the D, and learn how to get better production out of RB by committee.

Tomlin wants to prove he's a good coach?

Stop trying to load up at star players at every position so you can coast by on them.


Great idea. let's get mediocre players at every position and really make it a challenge.

I kid.

No RB is worth $15M per. Skill position players on balance are vastly over rated and over paid. Interesting thought that the best skill guys on both Pats and Eagles are TEs

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I'll give you mine: 2 down player in the NFL

Roquan is an unbelievable downhill player. Like, tremendous.

But as soon as you get past his rear view mirrors, he's pedestrian. Gave up at least 2 bad TDs in coverage during CFB playoffs.

Roquan would be an awesome buck but he's not going to be replacing Shazier at the Mack.




interesting take, hes been drawing alot of comps to pat willis lately..i know draft time buzz and all everyone gets built up to be the next great thing


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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GreekSteel wrote:
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I'll give you mine: 2 down player in the NFL

Roquan is an unbelievable downhill player. Like, tremendous.

But as soon as you get past his rear view mirrors, he's pedestrian. Gave up at least 2 bad TDs in coverage during CFB playoffs.

Roquan would be an awesome buck but he's not going to be replacing Shazier at the Mack.




interesting take, hes been drawing alot of comps to pat willis lately..i know draft time buzz and all everyone gets built up to be the next great thing

I have 3 Macks ahead of him and 3-4 at bout the same tier... as a Mack. As a Buck, he's #1, easily.

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