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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:03 am 
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Kodiak wrote:
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totally agree. It is better for the team to let Bell walk then to pay him more than $10M per year.


But ONLY if you can use that money for an impact player on defense. Otherwise why are you making your team worse to save some money....for what?

The cap is projected to increase another $7-$10M this year. I don't think there are going to be many (if any) studs available on defense - the guys who are worth the big bucks are getting resigned.....the rest usually have some major issues or are already declining in a significant way.



maybe try to trade some present and future draft capital and/or bell to move way up in the draft and take a real stud sideline to sideline replacement for Shazier, a guy like Georgias Roquan Smith.


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:09 am 
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GreekSteel wrote:
maybe try to trade some present and future draft capital and/or bell to move way up in the draft and take a real stud sideline to sideline replacement for Shazier, a guy like Georgias Roquan Smith.


Not a bad idea. I don't think Bell, given his contract demands along with $14.5M franchise tag, is going to bring huge value in a trade. And, of course, he has to actually sign the tag to even do the deal you're talking about.

It's a passing league - they have to fix the secondary. We really didn't lose to JAX because of an inability to stop the run, it was big passing play one after another. CHI beat us because we couldn't stop the run, but that was your typical egg lay on the road early in the season.

ILB is a big need, don't get me wrong. But that really won't fix our safeties. Our corners could be fine, if Burns pulls his head out of his ass and Sutton develops and stays healthy. Burns/Haden/Sutton/Hilton is pretty decent if you had even average safety play behind them.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:14 am 
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Kodiak wrote:
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maybe try to trade some present and future draft capital and/or bell to move way up in the draft and take a real stud sideline to sideline replacement for Shazier, a guy like Georgias Roquan Smith.


Not a bad idea. I don't think Bell, given his contract demands along with $14.5M franchise tag, is going to bring huge value in a trade. And, of course, he has to actually sign the tag to even do the deal you're talking about.

It's a passing league - they have to fix the secondary. We really didn't lose to JAX because of an inability to stop the run, it was big passing play one after another. CHI beat us because we couldn't stop the run, but that was your typical egg lay on the road early in the season.

ILB is a big need, don't get me wrong. But that really won't fix our safeties. Our corners could be fine, if Burns pulls his head out of his ass and Sutton develops and stays healthy. Burns/Haden/Sutton/Hilton is pretty decent if you had even average safety play behind them.



Theres a few good and better safety options in free agency over Mitchell, at ILB, not so much, Roquan Smith is a do it all speed ILB in the mold of #50


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:21 am 
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GreekSteel wrote:
Theres a few good and better safety options in free agency over Mitchell, at ILB, not so much, Roquan Smith is a do it all speed ILB in the mold of #50


We need both a FS and SS....and we have to do A LOT better than Mitchell.

Don't get your hopes up on ILB....VWill and Timmons are going to be your 2018 starterse :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:24 am 
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Kodiak wrote:
I really like the idea of Hyde, with Conner backing up and maybe pick-up a specialist or 3rd down guy in FA or the draft.

But will Hyde actually make it to FA? the 49ers have $116M in cap space currently. Which ALSO makes an interesting trading partner for Bell - we tag and trade Bell, and they sign Hyde to a long-term deal and eat additional cap on him to actually trade some cap dollars to PIT (again, too cutting edge for Colbert).

Hyde is probably just not worth tagging for SF, but they figure to easily match anything reasonable Hyde gets. The only exception would be they could go after Bell in a big way. And I bet they would love to bring in a guy like Bell with Garappalo.


It's funny, isn't it?

Bell on our team might hurt our Super Bowl chances.

Bell on the 49ers with Garappalo turns them into contenders.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:26 am 
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Theres a few good and better safety options in free agency over Mitchell, at ILB, not so much, Roquan Smith is a do it all speed ILB in the mold of #50


We need both a FS and SS....and we have to do A LOT better than Mitchell.

Don't get your hopes up on ILB....VWill and Timmons are going to be your 2018 starterse :lol:



oh without a doubt, they wont be doing what im suggesting, just spitballing here...and while we re at it, dont get your hopes up too much on a Mitchell replacement either, because Tomlin may not got be able to secure the approval of the real head man in charge...EMR


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:28 am 
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GreekSteel wrote:
...and while we re at it, dont get your hopes up too much on a Mitchell replacement either,


No doubt. His cap number made getting cut a done deal....then it was pointed out he could take a big paycut to stay. :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:38 am 
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Kodiak wrote:
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...and while we re at it, dont get your hopes up too much on a Mitchell replacement either,


No doubt. His cap number made getting cut a done deal....then it was pointed out he could take a big paycut to stay. :oops:


This is the worst part of it all.

Cutting Bell rather than paying him $14+ M per makes the most sense logically when you think what this team has to do.

But that's all predicated on trusting the coaching staff to make the correct changes elsewhere on the team...and I, for one, don't trust them.

I mean...Mitchell was so godawful bad, I wouldn't keep him if he paid the Steelers to play.

The staff and FO probably don't see it that way.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Kodiak wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
Theres a few good and better safety options in free agency over Mitchell, at ILB, not so much, Roquan Smith is a do it all speed ILB in the mold of #50


We need both a FS and SS....and we have to do A LOT better than Mitchell.

Don't get your hopes up on ILB....VWill and Timmons are going to be your 2018 starterse :lol:

My bets on VWill and Spence... but same point.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:26 pm 
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I do not mean to hijack the thread.

I was not a Ryan Shazier fan as a player.

If you are looking for a Ryan Shazier clone let me introduce you too....Jerome Baker


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