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Author:  BethlehemSteel [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:52 am ]
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The patriot way is soon to be no more

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... e-jimmy-g/

Brady to hold out on OTA

I’m sure beli is ready to walk

Whatever Mcdaniels gets as new HC on waiting

I’m sure Ernie Adams isn’t part of the deal

Author:  R S [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:11 am ]
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
The patriot way is soon to be no more

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... e-jimmy-g/

Brady to hold out on OTA

I’m sure beli is ready to walk

Whatever Mcdaniels gets as new HC on waiting

I’m sure Ernie Adams isn’t part of the deal


this is pretty damn funny. After Brady taking a hometown discount for so many years, Jimmy G getting paid has flipped the switch and finally made Brady butthurt. I can't blame him, but it's funny who the catalyst was. If I was the GOAT and just saw my backup with 7 starts get paid like that, I'd be annoyed too!

Author:  LakecrestSteeler [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:15 am ]
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$74 million guaranteed is $14.8 million a year.

That is not that crazy when you can cut and run at any point. I think his contract is all marketing. He can say he is the highest paid, they can build the team around him. Consider the following cap hits in 2017:

Joe Flacco, Baltimore, $24.55 million
Carson Palmer, Arizona, $24.125 million
Kirk Cousins, Washington, $23.943 million
Matt Ryan, Atlanta, $23.75 million
Matthew Stafford, Detroit, $22 million
Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay, $20.3 million
Cam Newton, Carolina, $20.166 million
Philip Rivers, Los Angeles Chargers, $20 million
Eli Manning, N.Y. Giants, $19.7 million
Andrew Luck, Indianapolis, $19.4 million
Drew Brees, New Orleans, $19 million
Russell Wilson, Seattle, $18.8 million
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh, $18.2 million
Sam Bradford, Minnesota, $18 million
Alex Smith, Kansas City, $16.9 million
Derek Carr, Oakland, $15.7 million
Andy Dalton, Cincinnati, $15.7 million
Tom Brady, New England, $14 million
Mike Glennon, Chicago, $14 million
Jay Cutler, Miami, $10 million
Tyrod Taylor, Buffalo, $9.7 million
Jameis Winston, Tampa Bay, $6.9 million
Marcus Mariota, Tennessee, $6.6 million
Blake Bortles, Jacksonville, $6.57 million
Josh McCown, N.Y. Jets, $6.5 million
Jared Goff, L.A. Rams, $6.4 million
Carson Wentz, Philadelphia, $6 million
Brian Hoyer, San Francisco, $5.3 million
Tom Savage, Houston, $765,146
DeShone Kizer, Cleveland, $899,711
Dak Prescott, Dallas, $635,848
Trever Siemian, Denver, $628,196

They pay him $14.8 million for 2 years to try him out for sure. You pay him $14.8 for the 3rd year and if he is not working out, this would be the year you cut and run, but you’d be happy to use him as a back-up to finish the season. You are now at $44.4 million with $29.6 million to go.

Would someone trade for a back-up with $29.6 left on the contract? Probably not.

So they are risking $29.6 million. That is using $14.8, which is probably low for a starting QB. If you boost it to $20 million in the three year scenario, only $14 million is at risk in the 4th year where you would make the big move to your new franchise QB.

Doesn’t seem like that big of a risk considering the cap hits above.

Author:  Jeemie [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:30 am ]
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So now Florio and Borges are trusted sources at Steelerfury.

Who’s next...Peaches?

LOL.

Author:  Steelafan77 [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:33 am ]
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I love it. Paying an unproven QB could backfire. An awful lot of money to gamble your franchises future on. I hope this does backfire and whiners are irrelevant for another 20 years.... :lol: :D

Author:  Jeemie [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:47 am ]
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Steelafan77 wrote:
I love it. Paying an unproven QB could backfire. An awful lot of money to gamble your franchises future on. I hope this does backfire and whiners are irrelevant for another 20 years.... :lol: :D


The 49ers have eleventy billion dollars in cap space...this isn’t a horrible gamble, as much as it may seem so.

Author:  franco32 [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:56 am ]
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I could be wrong, but I don't think Garoppolo is very good. He makes some nice throws but really fails to read coverages at times and forces it.

Author:  Steelafan77 [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:57 am ]
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Yeah jeems you know as well as I do it's a process. How much money a franchise has means squat if they aren't smart with it. We'll see....

Author:  Jeemie [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:06 am ]
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Steelafan77 wrote:
Yeah jeems you know as well as I do it's a process. How much money a franchise has means squat if they aren't smart with it. We'll see....


Oh I know.

In the past, paying an unproven QB has never worked, so I definitely think the odds are against them.

And Lakecrest above shows that even though the total contract is $137.5 M, it seems to be structured so they can cut him without a huge cap hit after a couple of years.

Author:  BethlehemSteel [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:13 am ]
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Borges being trolled by fake Don Yee?

The whole place is off its rocker

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ory-again/

Author:  Jeemie [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:24 am ]
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
Borges being trolled by fake Don Yee?

The whole place is off its rocker

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ory-again/


You're going to laugh at Borges being trolled?

When you bit right into this story because it fit your preconceived notions.

Author:  R S [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:36 am ]
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
Borges being trolled by fake Don Yee?

The whole place is off its rocker

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ory-again/



That's even better!

Sounds like the Boston Herald is doing what all the major news outlets do these days. Unnamed, unconfirmed source.......NO Problem! If it's anti-President , just print it!

Author:  Still Lit [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:59 am ]
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R S wrote:
BethlehemSteel wrote:
Borges being trolled by fake Don Yee?

The whole place is off its rocker

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ory-again/



That's even better!

Sounds like the Boston Herald is doing what all the major news outlets do these days. Unnamed, unconfirmed source.......NO Problem! If it's anti-President , just print it!


All the more reason to watch and donate to PBS. 8-)

Author:  R S [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:08 am ]
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Lit,

I love Rick Steves. I've bought his travel guides before. Venice and Athens. The guys a bit of a weiner but he knows his stuff.

Author:  BethlehemSteel [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:39 am ]
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Jeemie wrote:
BethlehemSteel wrote:
Borges being trolled by fake Don Yee?

The whole place is off its rocker

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ory-again/


You're going to laugh at Borges being trolled?

When you bit right into this story because it fit your preconceived notions.


Hey at least I report things without giving 100,000 post rebuttals on slippery grounds

Blow your french horn

Author:  BethlehemSteel [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:41 am ]
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Still Lit wrote:
R S wrote:
BethlehemSteel wrote:
Borges being trolled by fake Don Yee?

The whole place is off its rocker

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ory-again/



That's even better!

Sounds like the Boston Herald is doing what all the major news outlets do these days. Unnamed, unconfirmed source.......NO Problem! If it's anti-President , just print it!


All the more reason to watch and donate to PBS. 8-)


Wrong, your donation is re-distributed wealth, PBS gets our tax money....another slush pile which should be blown the fuck out of the water

Author:  BethlehemSteel [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:42 am ]
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Here is the latest on Borges

Quote:
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 9, 2018, 8:20 AM EST

Getty Images
It’s been a rough morning for Boston Herald columnist Ron Borges.

Borges believed he had a major scoop in today’s paper: A column citing unnamed “sources” close to Tom Brady saying that Brady was ready to hold out of offseason work if the Patriots didn’t give him a significant pay raise, comparable to the contract the 49ers just gave Brady’s former backup Jimmy Garoppolo. But then WEEI revealed that one of its listeners had hoaxed Borges with a text purporting to be from Brady’s agent, and that the whole premise of Borges’ column was bogus.

PFT checked with the Boston Herald‘s sports editor, Sean Leahy, who told us, “We’re looking into it.”

Meanwhile, the Boston Herald has pulled Borges’ column off its website, which strongly suggests that they’ve already concluded that “looking into it” is something that Borges failed to do when he got the text.

Borges cited “sources,” plural, in his column saying that Brady would hold out, but it appears that Borges was relying on only one source, and that one source was a prankster who fooled him. Borges has a history of poor journalistic practices, including an instance of plagiarism that precipitated his departure from the Boston Globe. We’ve caught Borges copying and pasting from PFT without credit in the past. Now he has egg on his face again.


Looks like Kraft got back at the Colts, and also Borges.

Love how they give the fuck you after the getting the biggest FUCK YOUS losing the SB

Author:  Still Lit [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:46 am ]
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
Wrong, your donation is re-distributed wealth, PBS gets our tax money....another slush pile which should be blown the fuck out of the water


I'm not wrong about anything. I know exactly what PBS is. Donations are to local stations to pay for airing the programming and all that entails.

Happy to help keep Judy Woodruff on the air.

What's it like to be such a dumb fuck? Is it fun?

Author:  BethlehemSteel [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:58 am ]
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Still Lit wrote:
BethlehemSteel wrote:
Wrong, your donation is re-distributed wealth, PBS gets our tax money....another slush pile which should be blown the fuck out of the water


I'm not wrong about anything. I know exactly what PBS is. Donations are to local stations to pay for airing the programming and all that entails.

Happy to help keep Judy Woodruff on the air.

What's it like to be such a dumb fuck? Is it fun?


You need to go a little deeper on your answer. The local does need contributions but the main funding source is US (tax dollars)

Youre a condescending asshole. GO THE FUCK TO HELL CUNTLAPPER

Author:  Jeemie [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:18 am ]
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
BethlehemSteel wrote:
Borges being trolled by fake Don Yee?

The whole place is off its rocker

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ory-again/


You're going to laugh at Borges being trolled?

When you bit right into this story because it fit your preconceived notions.


Hey at least I report things without giving 100,000 post rebuttals on slippery grounds

Blow your french horn


By reporting EVERYTHING without even using a modicum of critical analysis, you contribute to the problem of "fake news".

Author:  Kodiak [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:19 am ]
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Jeemie wrote:
And Lakecrest above shows that even though the total contract is $137.5 M, it seems to be structured so they can cut him without a huge cap hit after a couple of years.


whut?!?

$74M guaranteed is $74M guaranteed. If they give him 3 years to prove himself, AT BEST they will have paid him at least $26M for each of those years (regardless how they spread that out over 5-6 years).

Unless it's been reported wrong, that is uncharacteristically stupid and risky for a team that has actually been on the cutting edge of contract structures (i.e. Kaepernick).

Author:  Jeemie [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:45 am ]
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Kodiak wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
And Lakecrest above shows that even though the total contract is $137.5 M, it seems to be structured so they can cut him without a huge cap hit after a couple of years.


whut?!?

$74M guaranteed is $74M guaranteed. If they give him 3 years to prove himself, AT BEST they will have paid him at least $26M for each of those years (regardless how they spread that out over 5-6 years).

Unless it's been reported wrong, that is uncharacteristically stupid and risky for a team that has actually been on the cutting edge of contract structures (i.e. Kaepernick).


Maybe they really like him.

I see what you’re saying but with all their cap space right now, I don’t see it as as huge an issue as it might be for other teams.

Author:  Jeemie [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:47 am ]
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
Here is the latest on Borges

Quote:
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 9, 2018, 8:20 AM EST

Getty Images
It’s been a rough morning for Boston Herald columnist Ron Borges.

Borges believed he had a major scoop in today’s paper: A column citing unnamed “sources” close to Tom Brady saying that Brady was ready to hold out of offseason work if the Patriots didn’t give him a significant pay raise, comparable to the contract the 49ers just gave Brady’s former backup Jimmy Garoppolo. But then WEEI revealed that one of its listeners had hoaxed Borges with a text purporting to be from Brady’s agent, and that the whole premise of Borges’ column was bogus.

PFT checked with the Boston Herald‘s sports editor, Sean Leahy, who told us, “We’re looking into it.”

Meanwhile, the Boston Herald has pulled Borges’ column off its website, which strongly suggests that they’ve already concluded that “looking into it” is something that Borges failed to do when he got the text.

Borges cited “sources,” plural, in his column saying that Brady would hold out, but it appears that Borges was relying on only one source, and that one source was a prankster who fooled him. Borges has a history of poor journalistic practices, including an instance of plagiarism that precipitated his departure from the Boston Globe. We’ve caught Borges copying and pasting from PFT without credit in the past. Now he has egg on his face again.


Looks like Kraft got back at the Colts, and also Borges.

Love how they give the fuck you after the getting the biggest FUCK YOUS losing the SB


Again, PFT’s stance here is fucking hilarious since FLORIO HIMSELF REPOSTED BORGES’ ORINGINAL STORY.

So...pot...meet kettle.

Author:  Kodiak [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:50 am ]
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Jeemie wrote:
I see what you’re saying but with all their cap space right now, I don’t see it as as huge an issue as it might be for other teams.


They can absorb it. But 8-figure mistakes hurt your team no matter how you slice it.

Even if he is a stud, I think that contract overpays him a good bit. There's no way he should be the highest paid QB in football, and it's unlikely he'd be looking at that kind of money 4-5 years from now even if he DOES ball.

Author:  LakecrestSteeler [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:00 pm ]
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Kodiak wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
And Lakecrest above shows that even though the total contract is $137.5 M, it seems to be structured so they can cut him without a huge cap hit after a couple of years.


whut?!?

$74M guaranteed is $74M guaranteed. If they give him 3 years to prove himself, AT BEST they will have paid him at least $26M for each of those years (regardless how they spread that out over 5-6 years).

Unless it's been reported wrong, that is uncharacteristically stupid and risky for a team that has actually been on the cutting edge of contract structures (i.e. Kaepernick).


I disagree and don't think it is that stupid and risky. You can't think of it as $74 million saved or spent elsewhere. If you find your franchise QB you have to pay franchise QB money. I think it will be at least a 3 year experiment barring a complete implosion. So the only way to not pay this type of money is to dick around with draft picks or journeymen, and you can point to Cousins to show, even that can get expensive.

So if you buy the premise that it is a 3 year experiment, the money risked is not that great, you would pay it for anyone with the FranQB moniker. If you do the math, the $14.8 to probably $22 million a year, the 4th year is where all the risk pools, assuming you can't get the decisive "give him another year" read. Obviously if he blows out of the gate you have wasted $74 million, almost 1/10th of a billion! Every pay check is a gamble. Is he a/the FranQB? Time will tell. I like the drawing the sand in the line. This is our FranQB, you have your marching orders; go forth and conquer! Go focus on the rest of the team, and build everything around the QB on offense. It gives the ship a chartered course for 3 years, gives you a face of the franchise, and puts people in the seats for at least 2 years. If it doesn't work out, hit the reset button on QB.

Don't forget most every team has wasted several million dollars on one position in the last 3-5 years. I can think of TE on the Steelers.

For the record I know no details of the contract other than the guaranteed $74 million which I read in several headlines.

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