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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:48 pm 
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Wait, players are motivated by money?

This is crazy.....I thought Bell was gonna take a hometown discount to play for a SB?


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Le'Veon always gonna Le'Veon


The more I think about it, the more I believe they need to trade Bell. He's the guy that has some value, and might be gone after this year.

Because Colbert has usually done well in R1 and R2, but they've rarely gone into a draft so desperate at 3 positions, all on defense. If Bell and his money can get you two solid defensive guys (for a year, cap-wise anyway), and maybe you somehow sign Hyde... Then the draft is pretty wide open.

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Not sure if folks looked at Coleman as an option at safety here? Saints sign S Kurt Coleman 3 year deal. https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/stat ... 8410779648


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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I've been looking at the IBL FA market and I think Todd Davis, ILB with the Broncos might be the best option to fill Shazier's role. Who knows if Shazier will be able to play in 2019 (kind of doubt it), but Davis is a smart choice because he's 25, just starting to blossom and is trending to be very good in the next year or two. I'm guessing he could be had for maybe 4 years, $18 mill with $6-8 guaranteed. If Shazier somehow miraculously comes back at full strength in two years then a guy like Davis with probably not too much G $ is a smart short term play, imo. Hopefully the PS see it the same way. I know they'll do something before the draft to fill that spot, KC always does.


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kC will add a FA Linebacker early in FA


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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I've been looking at the IBL FA market and I think Todd Davis, ILB with the Broncos might be the best option to fill Shazier's role. Who knows if Shazier will be able to play in 2019 (kind of doubt it), but Davis is a smart choice because he's 25, just starting to blossom and is trending to be very good in the next year or two. I'm guessing he could be had for maybe 4 years, $18 mill with $6-8 guaranteed. If Shazier somehow miraculously comes back at full strength in two years then a guy like Davis with probably not too much G $ is a smart short term play, imo. Hopefully the PS see it the same way. I know they'll do something before the draft to fill that spot, KC always does.

Apparently Denver is letting him go because he can't cover worth a crap.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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DP39 wrote:
I've been looking at the IBL FA market and I think Todd Davis, ILB with the Broncos might be the best option to fill Shazier's role. Who knows if Shazier will be able to play in 2019 (kind of doubt it), but Davis is a smart choice because he's 25, just starting to blossom and is trending to be very good in the next year or two. I'm guessing he could be had for maybe 4 years, $18 mill with $6-8 guaranteed. If Shazier somehow miraculously comes back at full strength in two years then a guy like Davis with probably not too much G $ is a smart short term play, imo. Hopefully the PS see it the same way. I know they'll do something before the draft to fill that spot, KC always does.

Apparently Denver is letting him go because he can't cover worth a crap.



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Broncos are also going to meet with the agent for ILB Todd Davis today and ILB Corey Nelson on Saturday. Both want to stay in Denver. Asked about Davis yesterday, Elway said they want to keep him. He's expected to test the market first though.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Talk that the Steelers are looking to move Sutton to safety.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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DP39 wrote:
I've been looking at the IBL FA market and I think Todd Davis, ILB with the Broncos might be the best option to fill Shazier's role. Who knows if Shazier will be able to play in 2019 (kind of doubt it), but Davis is a smart choice because he's 25, just starting to blossom and is trending to be very good in the next year or two. I'm guessing he could be had for maybe 4 years, $18 mill with $6-8 guaranteed. If Shazier somehow miraculously comes back at full strength in two years then a guy like Davis with probably not too much G $ is a smart short term play, imo. Hopefully the PS see it the same way. I know they'll do something before the draft to fill that spot, KC always does.

Apparently Denver is letting him go because he can't cover worth a crap.



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Broncos are also going to meet with the agent for ILB Todd Davis today and ILB Corey Nelson on Saturday. Both want to stay in Denver. Asked about Davis yesterday, Elway said they want to keep him. He's expected to test the market first though.

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Primarily, Davis was targeted by opposing offenses in coverage by going empty and running the tailback on certain routes. Davis lacked speed that would enable him to cover most tailbacks out of the backfield.

.@BamBamDavis51 wants to take a step forward in 2017.https://t.co/01NWvO2TT0

— Broncos TV (@BroncosTV) June 1, 2017

With the struggles that come natural on the playing field, so do the positive learning lessons. Living in the shadow and question of replacing Danny Trevathan, Davis focused on bettering himself.

In the journey of self fulfillment, Davis is embracing truth and learning to grow from it.

“It’s huge for me. I think it means that we’re going to tell the truth. By us telling the truth and living by the truth, we’re going to be better. We don’t have to sugarcoat things. We just tell it how it is and we grow from that.” – Todd Davis on what the ‘Truth’ motto means to him (Via Denver Broncos PR)

Davis understood that he struggled in pass coverage and expressed that he has been working hard to improve that area of his game. Davis spoke on his desire to remain on the field in key situations. “I would love to stay on the field during those key third downs and in the down packages. I’m definitely working on my coverage and just trying to have a reason for me to not be off the field”

Surely, knowing that he must improve on his coverage means he understands that he must accomplish that in order to improve his shelf life and value as a member of an elite defense.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Talk that the Steelers are looking to move Sutton to safety.

It's interesting. It opens up picking BPA Safety OR CB.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Looks like Bell will be tagged again.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Apparently Denver is letting him go because he can't cover worth a crap.

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Davis understood that he struggled in pass coverage and expressed that he has been working hard to improve that area of his game. Davis spoke on his desire to remain on the field in key situations. “I would love to stay on the field during those key third downs and in the down packages. I’m definitely working on my coverage and just trying to have a reason for me to not be off the field”

Surely, knowing that he must improve on his coverage means he understands that he must accomplish that in order to improve his shelf life and value as a member of an elite defense.


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Inside linebacker Todd Davis will be a free agent and will test the open market but, “we’d like to have him back,” the GM said. https://www.denverpost.com/2018/03/03/j ... n-broncos/


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:05 pm 
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Yeah, I think if the Steelers want a balanced ILB who can run sideline to sideline with great speed and quickness to stop the run and also drop into coverage that player is really only available in the draft.

All of these free agent ILBs are limited in some way, Hitchens, Williamson, etc, most are just really average to below average in pass coverage.

It is a shame about Kevin Pierre-Louis of KC. He was arrested at the end of January for pot possession, no driver license, etc. This guy has real Shazier type of talent, think of him as a poor man's Shazier, 6'0" 232 pounds, ran a 4.51 40, 28 reps, 39 inch vertical, 6.9 3 cone time, 4.02 short shuttle, just has elite athleticism and was being used to replace the increasingly ineffective Derrick Johnson.

So, this former 4th round pick of Seattle was traded to KC and was starting to play well and should have parlayed that into a nice free agent contract but then he gets arrested. He most likely has to serve some sort of suspension by the commish, so some team signing him wouldn't have him for all 16 games this year. And teams will probably be hesitant to give him a big money deal, knowing that Seattle gave up on him and now his latest troubles, can he be dependable? Is he just a tease?

If I am the Steelers maybe I take a chance on him. I would rather roll the dice with him then sign some of these other players like Williamson. And regardless they have to draft an ILB.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Well... Scunge, with all that said he's no Aldon Smith.... I'd take a look see. Bring him in for some one on one discussions about career. Sometimes folks have to hit rock bottom before they open their eyes to a new way of thinking. Perhaps with a fresh start and a very veteran filled locker room in Pittsburgh..., could be all it takes for him to fly right on his way to success. That's a feel good story in my book. ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:18 pm 
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Excluding off the field... I would take Pierre-Louis in a minute.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Yeah, the funny thing about Pierre-Louis is that he has been in some really tough spots. In Seattle with KJ Wright and Bobby Wagner, how do you get on the field? He is traded to KC and they have an equally crowded LBer crew of Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, Justin Houston, etc.

I have been really intrigued by Louis, read up on him, he seems to be a real hard worker, has a work ethic, nobody seems to doubt that, but the off the field circumstances are the issue.

But maybe if the Steelers did their due diligence on him, maybe if he realizes what a great, fresh start he could get by signing with us, man, it might be a great signing. And the troubles that he has, the circumstances make it possible for us to sign him. If he didn't have those he would probably have cashed in on a vey nice payday.

I know one thing, he was a 4th rounder, but if he were in this draft, his combine performance would have been near or at the top for ILBs. He might be a 2nd rounder in this draft class.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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This will influence Boz when he goes to the negotiating table....

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Boz's numbers are better than this kicker too. Just in 2017 Boz was 35 of 38 FG's with a long of 53 @ Heinz field, 37 of 39 XP's. Boz has an overall 89.5% since entering the league in 2015. Bryant's percentage is 87.2%. Boz is only 26 where Bryant is 40 something. Pay the man!


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Yeah, the funny thing about Pierre-Louis is that he has been in some really tough spots. In Seattle with KJ Wright and Bobby Wagner, how do you get on the field? He is traded to KC and they have an equally crowded LBer crew of Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, Justin Houston, etc.

I have been really intrigued by Louis, read up on him, he seems to be a real hard worker, has a work ethic, nobody seems to doubt that, but the off the field circumstances are the issue.

But maybe if the Steelers did their due diligence on him, maybe if he realizes what a great, fresh start he could get by signing with us, man, it might be a great signing. And the troubles that he has, the circumstances make it possible for us to sign him. If he didn't have those he would probably have cashed in on a vey nice payday.

I know one thing, he was a 4th rounder, but if he were in this draft, his combine performance would have been near or at the top for ILBs. He might be a 2nd rounder in this draft class.

Athletically, I certainly liked what I saw from Louis, I just assumed he was off the table for the Steelers, so I stopped looking. Davis was the next best FA option when looking at the complete picture (cost, run/coverage, age, etc..). I still think they need to draft a stud ILB, even after they sign someone.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Steelafan77,

I think the Justin Tucker and Dan Bailey contracts are what Boz and his agent are looking at, those two have $17 and $22.5 Million contracts.

Tucker was something like 4 years, $17 million with $6 million signing bonus and the first two years of his salary guaranteed for a total of $10 million in guarantees.

Bailey signed a 7 year $22.5 million contract, with a $4 million signing bonus and $6.6 million guaranteed.

I see them putting the 2nd round tender on him and then finally giving him that new contract sometime in the middle of August. My guess? 4 years, $18 million, with a $6 million signing bonus and then year 2 of the deal he will have a $3-4 million roster bonus. That is usually what they have been doing in year 2 of their contracts lately, and then of course they will restructure that roster bonus to free up money for 2019, just as they have done with Cam Heyward, David Decastro, Stephon Tuitt, Antonio Brown, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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I see them putting the 2nd round tender on him and then finally giving him that new contract sometime in the middle of August.


You're probably right, but an R2 tender is pretty risky. I would never pull that trigger, but there's only 7-8 good kickers in the league and someone who has been burned might not hestitate.

I know Tucker only got the R2 tender, but that was before they moved the XP back and before he really started nailing long game-winners.

Cap really isn't the issue, as the R1 tender is $1M more and probably still a little less than a L-T deal might average. I hope to contend for a SB then I'm not fucking around with my kicker over $1M.

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I don't see the risk with the 2nd round tender, the Steelers still can match any offer. You look at Gano getting paid by Carolina today, 4 years $17 million, my estimate of 4 years $18 million is probably not too far off. The top of the mountain in terms of paying elite place kickers is in that $17 million area, about an average of $4.25 million a season, Bailey got $22.5 million yeah, but that has a lower $3 million average as it was spread out over 7 years.

I can't see a team offering more than the Steelers would match and I can't see Boz wanting to leave a Super Bowl contender.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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A name to watch in coming days: Lions’ TE Eric Ebron, whose name surfaced in trade discussions at last weekend’s combine, per league source. Lions were listening.https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status ... 0731118592
Wonder what they're asking? Is Ebron worth trading for? Could save a draft pick.

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Kidder, 23, was signed by the Patriots on July 27, 2017. He was originally signed by the Minnesota Vikings as a rookie free agent out of Montana on May 1, 2017. The 6-foot-4, 269-pounder, was released by Minnesota on July 21, 2017. He finished his college career with 194 total tackles and 14 sacks in 47 games with 25 starts at Montana. As a senior in 2016, he earned second-team All-Big Sky honors. http://www.patriots.com/news/2017/08/27 ... leb-kidder
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A name to watch in coming days: Lions’ TE Eric Ebron, whose name surfaced in trade discussions at last weekend’s combine, per league source. Lions were listening.https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status ... 0731118592
Wonder what they're asking? Is Ebron worth trading for? Could save a draft pick.

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Kidder, 23, was signed by the Patriots on July 27, 2017. He was originally signed by the Minnesota Vikings as a rookie free agent out of Montana on May 1, 2017. The 6-foot-4, 269-pounder, was released by Minnesota on July 21, 2017. He finished his college career with 194 total tackles and 14 sacks in 47 games with 25 starts at Montana. As a senior in 2016, he earned second-team All-Big Sky honors. http://www.patriots.com/news/2017/08/27 ... leb-kidder
Any interest in this kid? 30 Bench Reps, 33" vert., Broad Jump 106.8"/8'9", 20 Yd Shuttle 4.47, 3 cone 6.91, 10 Yd Split 1.67, 40 Yd Dash 4.97

Ebron has been a constant disappoint in his career, I wouldn't give up more than one of our 7th round picks and I'm not even sure I would do that.

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Honey Badger alert - any takers if available?

Cardinals DB Tyrann Mathieu says the team has asked him to take a pay cut.

NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports it would be a "large" cut. Mathieu is currently scheduled to make $10.75 million between salary and bonuses. He's due a $5 million roster bonus next Wednesday. It's quite possible Mathieu refuses the cut and earns his release. Cutting Mathieu and designating it as a post-June 1 move would free up $11 million in space.

If he's on the roster in a week he's automatically guaranteed almost $20M the next two years. I think he gets cut. He struggled coming back from his injuries, but played well the second half of last year and he played more snaps than any player in the NFL last year. Only 25 yrs old. Any takers?


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Honey Badger alert - any takers if available?

Cardinals DB Tyrann Mathieu says the team has asked him to take a pay cut.

NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports it would be a "large" cut. Mathieu is currently scheduled to make $10.75 million between salary and bonuses. He's due a $5 million roster bonus next Wednesday. It's quite possible Mathieu refuses the cut and earns his release. Cutting Mathieu and designating it as a post-June 1 move would free up $11 million in space.

If he's on the roster in a week he's automatically guaranteed almost $20M the next two years. I think he gets cut. He struggled coming back from his injuries, but played well the second half of last year and he played more snaps than any player in the NFL last year. Only 25 yrs old. Any takers?

That would be sweet, but he’s going to get paid and this is the “we do what we do” Steelers we’re talking about now. Besides, we have to find a way to pay the rap star RB the equivalence of the GNP of Rwanda...

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