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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:34 pm 
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Set aside Rodgers for a moment and I will make my point:

Playing careful football in the postseason will rack you up a lot of losses, especially when paired with an average defense with a propensity for giving up back-breaking big plays on mental errors. Being careful and risk-averse is for teams with garbage at QB.

One would think, as Steelers fans, that you'd be more attuned to this–those of us who are old enough to recall the 70s certainly do.

Terry Bradshaw went 30TDs, 26 INTs, and an 83 passer rating... while going 14-5 in the postseason. He had 2 TDs and 3 INTs in a Super Bowl... where he threw for over 14 yards an attempt and was named MVP.

Hell, on defense, nobody cares about the plays you give up, as long as you can make a big enough stop in the right situation. (see most recent Super Bowl).


I know I'm supposed to set aside Rodgers, but your post possibly implies that Rodgers does not make a lot of ballsy throws. But he does. I think Rodgers and Ben are very similar players.

Their stats are very similar re yards per attempt, adjusted per attempt, NY/A, and ANY/A. Rodgers is throwing downfield just as much as Ben according to the stats.

Where they differ: Rodgers kills Ben in TDs per game (post season and regular) AND has WAY less interceptions while throwing downfield just as much (going by stats, any way.)

So Rodgers is possibly as bombs away as much as Ben, but with more TDs and less interceptions. I mean, are you trying to tell me Rodgers is some kind of gutless game manager?!?! I know you are not.

Might Rodgers be as much a risk taker as Ben, but is in fact more successful? I think that is the truth.

Rodgers is a front runner. When it’s working, it’s really working and he pours it on. On the road? In a close game? He’s had some success last two years, but for the most part pedestrian numbers and results.

And it what way is Rodgers more successful? He wins less and is a .500 QB on the road.

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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:41 pm 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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Might Rodgers be as much a risk taker as Ben, but is in fact more successful? I think that is the truth.

Rodgers is a front runner. When it’s working, it’s really working and he pours it on. On the road? In a close game? He’s had some success last two years, but for the most part pedestrian numbers and results.

And it what way is Rodgers more successful? He wins less and is a .500 QB on the road.


QBs do not win games, football teams do.

Rodgers throws downfield just as much.

Rodgers has more TDs and less interceptions per game.

You know better than to say simply that Ben is more successful bc the Steelers win more.

Also, when the Steelers were losing road games, I recall you explaining why none of it was Ben's fault, but Rodgers does not get the same courtesy?

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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:11 pm 
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One would think, as Steelers fans, that you'd be more attuned to this–those of us who are old enough to recall the 70s certainly do.

Terry Bradshaw went 30TDs, 26 INTs, and an 83 passer rating... while going 14-5 in the postseason. He had 2 TDs and 3 INTs in a Super Bowl... where he threw for over 14 yards an attempt and was named MVP.


And one would think someone as knowledgeable as yourself would be more attuned to the differences in nit only era but several other factors.

You could also post Bradshaw’s counterparts numbers over the same stretch.

I didn’t post Ben’s numbers in a vacuum. I posted them in comparison to his counterparts in those same games.

10 INTs vs 3 INTs is losing football no matter how much spin you want to put on it.

You aren’t going to go deep in the playoffs often if your QB is turnin it over more than the other QB. You just aren’t.

Wouldn’t it be so much easier to acknowledge Ben needs to play better or I should say smarter in those spots?

He can’t coninue to be on the negative side of QBR and turnover battle and win postseason games.

Especially with his HC typically havin a decision or two that detracts from success.

The two have been a losing combination in postseason play for quite some time now.


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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:10 pm 
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Watching the Steelers vs. Packers replay right now. At first glance? Turnovers and Penalties are what plagues this team. Like a Cancer this team implodes in situations where they turn the ball over and generate numerous baffling penalties. JMO

Also I do not see Juju out there in this one. Lot of AB, Bryant and Rogers.


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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:02 pm 
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Still Lit wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
Might Rodgers be as much a risk taker as Ben, but is in fact more successful? I think that is the truth.

Rodgers is a front runner. When it’s working, it’s really working and he pours it on. On the road? In a close game? He’s had some success last two years, but for the most part pedestrian numbers and results.

And it what way is Rodgers more successful? He wins less and is a .500 QB on the road.


QBs do not win games, football teams do.

Rodgers throws downfield just as much.

Rodgers has more TDs and less interceptions per game.

You know better than to say simply that Ben is more successful bc the Steelers win more.

Also, when the Steelers were losing road games, I recall you explaining why none of it was Ben's fault, but Rodgers does not get the same courtesy?


I'm pretty sure Rodgers bested Ben in the biggest spotlight the NFL has to offer in Super Bowl XLV. Outplayed him by far. Of course, we'll now hear about Ben's decrepid O-Line and that he didn't have the luxury of passing against shitty Steelers CB's at the time. The art of excuse-making and all that.

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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
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After watching every single play of Ben's NFL career, I think he's great. But, after also seeing most of Rodger's and Bree's NFL plays -- with what my own eyes have witnessed, I can't put him over either of them in the greatness category. With that much visual data, I won't let simple stats cloud my judgement. I will say he's not that far behind, though.


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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:37 pm 
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Obviously wrote:
I'm pretty sure Rodgers bested Ben in the biggest spotlight the NFL has to offer in Super Bowl XLV. Outplayed him by far. Of course, we'll now hear about Ben's decrepid O-Line and that he didn't have the luxury of passing against shitty Steelers CB's at the time. The art of excuse-making and all that.

Even eliminating excuses-- what exactly has Rodgers done since then? He's grossly underacheived.

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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
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If Rodgers and Brees > Ben, then do McCarthy and Payton suck as coaches?

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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
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Poltargyst wrote:
If Rodgers and Brees > Ben, then do McCarthy and Payton suck as coaches?


Very much.

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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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I'm pretty sure Rodgers bested Ben in the biggest spotlight the NFL has to offer in Super Bowl XLV. Outplayed him by far. Of course, we'll now hear about Ben's decrepid O-Line and that he didn't have the luxury of passing against shitty Steelers CB's at the time. The art of excuse-making and all that.

Even eliminating excuses-- what exactly has Rodgers done since then? He's grossly underacheived.


Since then? Well, he was hurt for a good part of the 2013 and 2017 seasons, but other than winning the same number of Super Bowls as Ben since then, his teams haven't accomplished much. A few playoff games here and there. Like Ben's teams.

Listen, I know you have it in for Peyton and Rodgers. I get it. I'll always remember your "fetal position" comment about Rodgers.

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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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I'm pretty sure Rodgers bested Ben in the biggest spotlight the NFL has to offer in Super Bowl XLV. Outplayed him by far. Of course, we'll now hear about Ben's decrepid O-Line and that he didn't have the luxury of passing against shitty Steelers CB's at the time. The art of excuse-making and all that.

Even eliminating excuses-- what exactly has Rodgers done since then? He's grossly underacheived.


They should have gone to Super Bowl XLVIII instead of Seattle.

You want to talk about undercutting your chief asset with a massive turtle job...that was Mike McCarthy in the NFCCG that year.

Rodgers got them into that position...a big lead late...while playing injured.

Ben's never been that close to the Super Bowl since 2010.

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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
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Careful Jeemie! He may take away our Steeler fan cards.

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