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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:06 pm 
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Even if he meant regular season, He's just blinded by his man crush. Ben makes far more mistakes than Brady, Brees or Rodgers. He's a top 5 QB, but he's not the best.

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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:43 pm 
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INTs and TDs are not the be all measurements of anything. Sometimes they are a horrendous play made by the QB, sometimes they are a guy willing to take risks to try and make something happen, sometimes receivers make huge or even subtle mistakes.

WTF has Ben been working with the past few seasons of playoff games, even going back to 2010?

Ben in his entire career has taken great care of the football. In fact, his biggest errors stand out because there are so few.

Aaron Rodgers doesn't even attempt some of the throws Ben has had to make to keep his team in games, because throughout his career he's had a decent OC-type mind as his head coach and the whole enterprise is built around his game. Rodgers has never had to protect his defense or run the ball a certain amount. And he's 5-6 since his line Super Bowl run.

What Ben's opponent has done, vs defenses that haven't been very good... this is of little import to me. You guys can make fun of me all you want-- Ben's last few years in the playoffs, essentially playing with an arm tied behind his back-- the albatross of Haley and his playcalling, missing Lev Bell in more than one game, missing AB in Den, playing a game and a quarter with a shoulder that should have kept him out of the game, balling out in NE with trash skill players, lighting up the NFL's best defense in the last loss. I'm not really sure what you're looking for out of him that he's not giving you. You deserve what you're going to get when he's gone.

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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:43 pm 
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Even if he meant regular season, He's just blinded by his man crush. Ben makes far more mistakes than Brady, Brees or Rodgers. He's a top 5 QB, but he's not the best.

And Brees and Rodgers win less. With more on D.

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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:32 am 
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The steelers defense? Yeah I think he could have.

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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:34 am 
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Why would anybody want to torture themselves and watch this debacle again?

I listened to the game on an airplane. No way I would watch that shit. Or any Steelers postseason loss.


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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:40 am 
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Obviously wrote:
Even if he meant regular season, He's just blinded by his man crush. Ben makes far more mistakes than Brady, Brees or Rodgers. He's a top 5 QB, but he's not the best.

I am not a mind reader, nor do I stay at Holiday Inns, but maybe he thinks he has to be agressive for this team to have any chance to win with our defense.


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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:18 am 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Obviously wrote:
Even if he meant regular season, He's just blinded by his man crush. Ben makes far more mistakes than Brady, Brees or Rodgers. He's a top 5 QB, but he's not the best.

And Brees and Rodgers win less. With more on D.


Obviously the Packers have not been racking up NFCCG appearances, but GBs defense has been sucking out loud for a while and Rodgers has not had any kind of running back. Meanwhile Ben has had Bell and AB.

I don't watch every Packers game, but I have seen Rodgers make some clutch, wild-ass throws. He extends plays like Ben, too.

My impression is Rodgers absolutely carries that team on his back and people bitch about McCarthy like many do about Tomlin.

So Rodgers may win less, but I think his offensive line and skill players and his RBs have not been in the same ballpark for years and if the Packers D is better, I bet it ain't by much.

I think there's some bad faith here on your part, B2B.

I'd wager Rodgers carries his team more than Ben does his.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... dx=players

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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:03 am 
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Set aside Rodgers for a moment and I will make my point:

Playing careful football in the postseason will rack you up a lot of losses, especially when paired with an average defense with a propensity for giving up back-breaking big plays on mental errors. Being careful and risk-averse is for teams with garbage at QB.

One would think, as Steelers fans, that you'd be more attuned to this–those of us who are old enough to recall the 70s certainly do.

Terry Bradshaw went 30TDs, 26 INTs, and an 83 passer rating... while going 14-5 in the postseason. He had 2 TDs and 3 INTs in a Super Bowl... where he threw for over 14 yards an attempt and was named MVP.

Hell, on defense, nobody cares about the plays you give up, as long as you can make a big enough stop in the right situation. (see most recent Super Bowl).

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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:37 am 
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Who really plays defense anymore? Today's NFL looks more like Arena League football. The Nick79's of the world love it.

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 Post subject: Re: Replay of Jags Playoff Game on NFL Network Now
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:15 pm 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Set aside Rodgers for a moment and I will make my point:

Playing careful football in the postseason will rack you up a lot of losses, especially when paired with an average defense with a propensity for giving up back-breaking big plays on mental errors. Being careful and risk-averse is for teams with garbage at QB.

One would think, as Steelers fans, that you'd be more attuned to this–those of us who are old enough to recall the 70s certainly do.

Terry Bradshaw went 30TDs, 26 INTs, and an 83 passer rating... while going 14-5 in the postseason. He had 2 TDs and 3 INTs in a Super Bowl... where he threw for over 14 yards an attempt and was named MVP.

Hell, on defense, nobody cares about the plays you give up, as long as you can make a big enough stop in the right situation. (see most recent Super Bowl).


I know I'm supposed to set aside Rodgers, but your post possibly implies that Rodgers does not make a lot of ballsy throws. But he does. I think Rodgers and Ben are very similar players.

Their stats are very similar re yards per attempt, adjusted per attempt, NY/A, and ANY/A. Rodgers is throwing downfield just as much as Ben according to the stats.

Where they differ: Rodgers kills Ben in TDs per game (post season and regular) AND has WAY less interceptions while throwing downfield just as much (going by stats, any way.)

So Rodgers is possibly as bombs away as much as Ben, but with more TDs and less interceptions. I mean, are you trying to tell me Rodgers is some kind of gutless game manager?!?! I know you are not.

Might Rodgers be as much a risk taker as Ben, but is in fact more successful? I think that is the truth.

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