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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:19 am 
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Good post as usual Scunge. The only question that I have is does he still have the desire to play at a high level now. At Miami, his head and heart didn't seem to be in the game anymore.


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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:06 am 
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I think he really found out how much he missed being a Steeler, just like Willie Gay, Larry Foote, Bryant McFadden, etc. Also I don't know if we will ever know the whole story concerning his suspension, being AWOL from the team, etc. I look at that as just a forgettable anomaly in an otherwise fine career. He never missed any significant time with us, had a very long streak of games started, never had to worry about him saying crap in the media or doing things to stir the pot.

Some people I have always thought just never liked him because he was not this or that. Was not Darrell Revis, was not Patrick Willis. That he was not more demonstrative, that he was not more vocal. Like as if that was the be all end all for a player. Do we need more Mike Mitchell's who can talk a big game and then play like shit? Nothing wrong with being more quiet and reserved. Having Heath Miller/Lawrence Timmons types that are quiet and show up for work and do their jobs are just as valuable.

Of course maybe all of this is a moot point, maybe he signs with Cleveland? :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:54 am 
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He would probably retire before signing with the Stains. He's pulled in 66M in contracts already and should be set for life if he didn't piss it away.


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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:49 am 
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My issue is this. Can we get someone in free agency that is on par or better than Timmons (and younger)? If so, and we can do so for a little bit more money, I think that is a better investment. Timmons of 2 years ago was good, but he was also declining. He's not getting any younger.

We have to be open minded about this and not sentimental.


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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:39 pm 
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Steelafan77 wrote:
Thanks for the kind comments 39. I saw enough of Timmons last year to say to myself, 'this was one of the few and far between times the Steelers cut bait at the perfect time with a player' and I didn't stutter while saying it. The guy is a back up [at best] type these days. To pay Timmons $4-$5Mil per to play part time on the defense would be beyond stupid and wasteful cause dude would have to come off the field on obvious passing downs. I don't care if there's no learning curve. In fact one can argue to the contrary, Timmons would steal reps from a more valuable prospect in the process. So paying dude 4-5 Mil per will be infuriating. If I'm Colbert and Timmons wants anything more than say, 3 Mil over 2 years..., C-Ya let me know how that works out for you. What tells me that won't happen is the Steelers don't have the cap to do it even if they wanted to.


I have bad memories of watching Timmons trailing TE's downfield his last year or 2 here.


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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:43 pm 
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Steelafan77 wrote:
Thanks for the kind comments 39. I saw enough of Timmons last year to say to myself, 'this was one of the few and far between times the Steelers cut bait at the perfect time with a player' and I didn't stutter while saying it. The guy is a back up [at best] type these days. To pay Timmons $4-$5Mil per to play part time on the defense would be beyond stupid and wasteful cause dude would have to come off the field on obvious passing downs. I don't care if there's no learning curve. In fact one can argue to the contrary, Timmons would steal reps from a more valuable prospect in the process. So paying dude 4-5 Mil per will be infuriating. If I'm Colbert and Timmons wants anything more than say, 3 Mil over 2 years..., C-Ya let me know how that works out for you. What tells me that won't happen is the Steelers don't have the cap to do it even if they wanted to.


I have bad memories of watching Timmons trailing TE's downfield his last year or 2 here.


Which pretty much makes him equivalent to Vincenzo. Unless this is a really cheap depth signing, I'm not sure what kind of value we're really looking at, particularly once the nameplate on the jersey/possible nostalgia value is taken out of account.


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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:19 pm 
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Timmons is still better than the 3 ILs that we have now. Bring him on.


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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:43 pm 
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I think people are too quick to just look at pass coverage.

Weren't Sean Spence and LJ Fort really, really bad against the run? I remember the long runs becoming more and more problematic, because they weren't up to the challenge, being taken out easily not just by a guard, but by a fullback, TE, etc? It was just really ugly, not really good against the run or pass, below the line at both.

But I just don't see any prospects to pay for in free agency.

Anthony Hitchens is a big name, with an injury history. His former coach is with the Colts now and supposedly he will make a play to sign Hitchens. Do any of you want the Steelers to get in a bidding war and sign Hitchens for something like 4 years $26-30 million?

What is better? 2 years for $3.5-4 million for Timmons or what it would cost to sign Hitchens? Even an Avery Williamson would probably see something like 4 years $16-18. And neither Williamson or Hitchens is really that good at pass coverage, okay, nothing special. They are probably not any better than Timmons at 32 years of age in pass coverage.

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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:16 pm 
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What would be nice would be if our depth at virtually every position on defense wasn’t barren after 11 seasons of being guided by a former DB coach and DC.


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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:27 pm 
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The NFL used to be about running the ball and stopping the run. Not it's about throwing the ball and stopping the pass.

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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:50 pm 
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We're in a tough spot at ilb, no two ways about it. As has been mentioned, there's nobody out there to sign that you can say fixes the position next year. If there were, I'd sacrifice Bell and use that money to sign them. Best we can do is sign timmons and draft a guy high, hoping he can pick things up (Vander Esch) quickly like Watt.


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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:47 pm 
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So we make Scrunge's switch to a 4-3?

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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:37 pm 
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My wanting to switch to a 4-3 has much more to do with being open to drafting all types of players instead of just being focused on this narrow definition of 3-4 type of players.

For example, there are so many ILB and OLB types that we pass over each and every draft. Because they are not tall enough, because they do not weigh enough.

I mentioned Skai Moore in my first mock draft. He is 6'2" about 220 pounds and might run in the 4.55-4.60 area. We would typically just pass over this type of prospect. Not big enough to be an ILB, or an OLB, too weak, what good is he? How about that fact that he had 14 interceptions? That he has great instincts in pass coverage? That has equally great instincts in playing the run?

If our 3-4 defense is so great and so flexible how come we can't find a way to make use of a Skai Moore? To make use of these smaller ILBs/OLBs? 4-3 teams do it all the time. They are all capable of taking these smaller linebackers and making them a Will OLB and get great production out of them.

Dorian Daniels is another small linebacker, where would the Steelers play him in our 3-4 defense? Yes, yes, they would play him in the sub package defense, blah, blah, blah. 4-3 teams figure out ways to have him be a starter as a Will.

Carl Lawson last season. I think at the end of the day the Steelers did not draft him because he was not good enough to be a standup OLB who could set the edge against the run. Bengals did not care and play him as a DE and use him to rush the passer. Just another example of our great 3-4 defense excluding prospects because of this or that.

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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
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And with a gaping hole at ILB, we need to be flexible.

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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:58 pm 
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Time to look into FA early for that FA ILB


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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:23 pm 
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Timmons is to be released next week but it's reported he slowed down at the end of last season. Maybe he will take backup money from the Steelers.


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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:51 pm 
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It's official, LawDog released....

Dolphins released LB Lawrence Timmons.

With the cap-strapped Dolphins apparently "changing their culture," releasing Timmons and saving $5.4 million against the cap was a no-brainer. Timmons went AWOL at the beginning of last season and was completely ineffective upon his return. The ex-Steeler turns 32 this spring.


Related: Dolphins Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter Mar 12 - 1:45 PM


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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:56 pm 
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Timmons has lost his legs and is no longer an every play ILB. Steelers may not want him even for Vet minimum. Could possibly be a backup on a one year deal at Vet min. Needs to talk to Tomlin to sort things out.


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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:22 pm 
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Steelergenie wrote:
Timmons has lost his legs and is no longer an every play ILB. Steelers may not want him even for Vet minimum. Could possibly be a backup on a one year deal at Vet min. Needs to talk to Tomlin to sort things out.

IDK, I could be wrong, but when I watched Timmons last year he just seemed to be going through the motions most of the time. Like he was disinterested and didn't want to get hurt. I did see on some plays where he went hard, but many he took off. I'm not sure it was as much age related as is was happiness being there or something mental. I guess we'll see if he gets a chance to come back. I'm okay with him coming back as a cheap, one year role player/stopgap of some sort. It could give us a chance to see if Shazier has any real shot of making any serious progress (not that I'm expecting it).


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 Post subject: Re: Timmons to be released
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:54 am 
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I think they bring Timmons back for back up money. Not starter money. JMO


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