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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant Trade Rumors
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:56 pm 
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No need to trade Bryant we need him for another run at a SB and you can always draft a WR in the draft.


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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant Trade Rumors
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:58 am 
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steelmann58 wrote:
No need to trade Bryant we need him for another run at a SB and you can always draft a WR in the draft.

See that's the conundrum 58. With limited draft picks this season do you really want to spend one on a WR? RB? TE? QB? with the defense in a shambles I think every draft pick needs applied on the defense. Perhaps even doubling up on LB'er and Safety. I know most here don't subscribe to the same thinking but it makes sense to apply those 7 draft picks to the defense IMO. Of course it also depends what they're able to do in FA before the draft. I suspect they'll look at drafting at least 1 offensive player. If I was a betting man I'd say they're looking at adding a RB because Bell is a greedy malcontent.


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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant Trade Rumors
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:15 am 
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Let's be real: defense isn't in a shambles-- it has two key positions that need to be filled, and some young players that need to be more consistent-- have shown flashes but haven't managed to put it all together. It's possible Burns, Davis, Dupree, & Hargrave, and even the late-season drop off of TJ Watt will all turn out to be no better and then it truly will be in shambles... but even all of that and with Haden being out for an extended time and Shazier being out for a month and Tuitt and Hargrave apparently playing hurt all season and Burns losing his mind at least once per game and Mitchell playing hurt and sucking... They were still an above average NFL defense last year. Defensive penalties were way down, they set a team record for sacks (while blitzing much less than an average NFL team), and they stabilized the CB situation that had been a dumpster fire only a season and a half earlier.

Hell, there's hope for the future at CB, because Burns will either start playing to expectations or they will go to a promising Sutton. Maybe Brian Allen will take a step. etc.

Keep the Mack from being a dumpster fire and do to the safety position group what you did to the CB group... they are definitely good enough for a playoff run.

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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant Trade Rumors
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:25 am 
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Can't stop the run. Can't stop the pass. What about that doesn't imply shambles. Come on B2B! They allowed Blake fucking Bortles 40+ points in a game in which they lost. One and done in the playoffs. You give them more credit than they deserve. Yes they set a [franchise] record in sacks/pressures. That part was definitely awesome. Then they fell off the planet at the end of the season when it really mattered. They were soft and they need quality depth in the middle of that defense. If Shazier had not been injured he may have covered a lot of that up. Once Shazier was injured the defense was exposed for who they really are, soft. After only one dominant player is eliminated from the field. Like the defense without Troy back in the day. You knew the defense would be tested and it became a nailbiter. Everytime Shazier missed time the middle of that defense was exposed. Nose, ILB, safety is soft up the middle. Need game changers and play makers. And what I meant by shambles is Paper Tigers.


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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant Trade Rumors
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:44 am 
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Yeah, but think about what you just said-- which defense in the NFL can look good after losing Troy or Shazier or Luke Kuechly or their outlier star? I think it just revealed how good Troy or Shazier was, for all their faults.

They didn't give up 40 to Blake Bortles... they got destroyed in the run game because 2/3 of the starting DL was playing hurt and Sean Spence was starting at ILB and they got freight trained in the run game. They need to greatly improve Safety and Mack ILB depth and with even a plus starter at ILB and an average starter at the two safety spots, they'll be a top 10 defense. Says more about the state of the NFL than that they'll be objectively great... but the state of the league is what it is. Look at the postseason that just happened. Some of the best defenses in the league were in that tournament and everybody got toasted at least once.

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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant Trade Rumors
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:36 am 
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... which defense in the NFL can look good after losing Troy or Shazier or Luke Kuechly or their outlier star?


I seem to remember a Cowher team going to the SB after losing Rod Woodson...

Otherwise, the better question is "which defense would absolutely suck after losing one player"? And I think that question begins and ends with PIT.

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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant Trade Rumors
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:03 am 
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Kodiak wrote:
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... which defense in the NFL can look good after losing Troy or Shazier or Luke Kuechly or their outlier star?


I seem to remember a Cowher team going to the SB after losing Rod Woodson...

Otherwise, the better question is "which defense would absolutely suck after losing one player"? And I think that question begins and ends with PIT.

Different era, totally... and they had most of their draft investment and salary cap invested in defense... and an offense built to protect that D.

And, being honest, they still had Greg Lloyd and a HOFer at edge rusher, among other things.

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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant Trade Rumors
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:54 pm 
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I don't think anybody on this board wants McDonald gone, but it is amazing how many stories I have read on other sites, other media that want us to cut McDonald to save cap space.

I watched Bryant disappear last season for the most part. I even predicted that he wouldn't set the world on fire coming back from suspension which is the reason why I was wishing the Steelers would spend a 2nd round pick on a WR last draft. When they drafted JuJu my prayers were answered.

Now the narrative is that Bryant in the last year of his contract and is just going to explode and have his best year ever!!! With JuJu and McDonald on board now it just seems less likely.

I don't know, let me put it this way. The draft has started the Buffalo Bills are on the clock. They have two back to back picks with the 21st and 22nd.

The Steelers are picking 28. Tremaine Edmunds somehow has not been picked and is available. Derwin James likewise is still available. Colbert calls Buffalo and says hey you willing to move down 6 spots? We are offering Bryant, no picks just Bryant.

Buffalo is looking for a WR, and all they have to do is move down 6 spots to pick him up? Why wouldn't they make that trade?

And how many on this board would not just trade Bryant for Edmunds or James?

I'd rather give up a 2 or 3 next year to move up those spots, knowing that injuries happen and that Bryant would help this year on top of bringing us a decent comp pick after he leaves in FA. But, I do like the idea of having the option of using Bryant as trade bait, especially with a WR starved team. Hell, I MIGHT be tempted to give up this years' and next years' first to move up and get James in the top 10-15 picks.


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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant Trade Rumors
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:10 pm 
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Shazier is the best small-framed player we’ve ever had

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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant Trade Rumors
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:19 pm 
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955876 wrote:

No draft pick we get in return can be counted on to start or be a significant contributor in 2018. Bryant can.


You mean like the way Juju didn't meet either of those criteria?

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