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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:49 pm 
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Bell on twitter said “have fun with James Connor as your starter”

I hope Conner gets back says fuck you. Bell is a piece of shit teammate for saying that.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:53 pm 
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That's a fake account guys. Bell didn't tweet anything about Connor.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:54 pm 
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That's a fake account guys. Bell didn't tweet anything about Connor.


Are you sure?

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:56 pm 
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Here's the real Bell account that is verified and has over a million followers:

https://twitter.com/LeVeonBell

This is the fake account with the Connor tweet:

https://twitter.com/L_bell26

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:56 pm 
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Google Le’Veon Bell and see what you get. The twitter quote appears immediately. I don’t know a real one from a fake one.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:57 pm 
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TB wrote:
Here's the real Bell account that is verified and has over a million followers:

https://twitter.com/LeVeonBell

This is the fake account with the Connor tweet:

https://twitter.com/L_bell26


Ok, thanks for clarifying. Sorry for spreading incorrect info.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:59 pm 
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No worries, we've all been had with Twitter at some point.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:01 pm 
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TB wrote:
No worries, we've all been had with Twitter at some point.


I’m 53, I don’t tweet and don’t understand why people create fake accounts. What’s next, people using aliases here?

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:14 pm 
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BarryFoster wrote:
TB wrote:
No worries, we've all been had with Twitter at some point.


I’m 53, I don’t tweet and don’t understand why people create fake accounts. What’s next, people using aliases here?


:lol: 8-)

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:39 pm 
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i have to believe that RB is moving up the steelers draft board.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:52 pm 
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Maybe its me, but I have followed football for a long, long time and this is one area I have no fucking clue what the Steeler's options are with Leveon going forward. Maybe because most Steeler players will at least work with the team and negotiate. Is there a site or anything that lists the Steelers options in this situation. If I was them, I would say enough is enough and work any options and/or Patriots type bending of the rules I could and get rid of him. Its time to give in to the fact, Bell is hurting the team and is GONE. I don't want them paying him 14.5 million this year either. 12.5 last year and 14.5 this year would already "bend the Steelers over".........Find a way to dump him for picks or better yet, find a way to trade him and Martavous to Miami for Landry.

With AB and Jarvis Landry lined up next to Ben we don't need Bell's 4 YPC anyway.

If there are NO loopholes to dump him for picks or a way to trade him. Dump his ass on the 14th and offer Miami Martavous, DHB, MItchell & Marcus Gilbert for Landry & a draft pick. With the TONS of cap space they would open up, Sign Landry, Hubbard & the best FA Safety to hit FA. Draft a RB and lets go get #7 with out his dumbass. Don't know about yinz, but I'm done with him.

Kudos for the Steelers for not giving in. Time to play hardball. Move on!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:04 pm 
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The non-exclusive franchise tag. Bell is free to negotiate with other teams and can even sign with them if they’re willing to give up two 1st round picks. That, to me, is the right option at this point.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:18 pm 
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The non-exclusive franchise tag. Bell is free to negotiate with other teams and can even sign with them if they’re willing to give up two 1st round picks. That, to me, is the right option at this point.

This^ Been saying it for some time. Was told they couldn't tag him in reverse. If they can do that? Do It!


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:33 pm 
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The franchise tag (not the non-exclusive) is right up there with how the founding fathers designed the checks and balance system to work with our democracy.

It is actually a pretty ingenious contractual clause when you think about it. It was design to help small market teams keep players all the while balancing the needs of the player getting paid on a league wide scale. It takes the crappy free agent elements in baseball and crushes them. Baseball is too many clicks towards extreme capitalism and the NFL is just the right amount of clicks towards socialism and wealth redistribution.

So Bell was mostly over the barrel last season with his gamble to play one year on the tag. Now the Steelers are mostly over the barrel to tag Bell this season and into 2019.

If they tag Bell this year that means he is most likely gone next year and we will get nothing in return. There is no way we pay Bell franchise QB money in 2019, which is what happens. Bell will hold all the cards next year and will be a true unrestricted free agent and will get to see the “quan”. The Steelers will be working feverishly to sign him or trade him as soon as they put the tag on him this year. When they put the tag on him it will be like trying to sell your house at the end of 2006 going into 2007 the Great Recession year in Detroit Michigan. I think B2B nailed it with the non-exclusive.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
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Sweet little baby Jesus in the tuxedo tshirt please let someone give us two 1st for leveon.
"Levon likes his money"


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:57 pm 
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No worries, we've all been had with Twitter at some point.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:00 pm 
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Bell and his agent are under some extreme pressure. They are gambling with a 2 and a 3 in Texas Hold Em, and everyone can see their 2 & 3.

I just don’t see how a RB in the NFL gambles that he won’t get injured. They are not playing the odds and the payoff is not that much greater. 3 years at 15 versus 3 years at 13 or 14 million is not that big of difference compared to what he can lose with one tear of a ligament.

He an his agent are essentially playing Russian Roulette for no good reason.

I predict they will sign a long term deal before it is all said and done, or Bell and his agent are insane.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:11 pm 
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That's a fake account guys. Bell didn't tweet anything about Connor.


Are you sure?




yes. Bell did not tweet that.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:45 am 
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The Steelers really screwed themselves last season by NOT placing the Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag on Bell.

That would have given Bell the ability to go out and shop his services, and he would have found no other teams willing to give him twice the market value that he thinks he deserves. The highest paid RBs are making $8 Million and he thinks he deserves $15-17 million.

It doesn't matter whether or not Bell has the Exclusive or Non-Exclusive tag, the simple fact that he waited so long to sign his tender means the Steelers could not trade him last year even if they wanted to. You can only work out a trade if that player has signed his tender. Bell and his agent don't want the Steelers to have any sort of say so in terms of where he is going, so that is why just like last year, they will wait until the last possible minute to sign that franchise tender.

Also, there are no fast and hard rules when it comes to trading a franchised player. The KC Chiefs had Jared Allen and they franchised him. He signed his tender and then KC was able to trade him to Minnesota for a 1st round pick and two 3rd round picks and they swapped 6th rounders. It isn't necessarily two first round picks, it really can be what the two teams involved decide it to be.

New England had Matt Cassel and placed the franchise tag on him, he signed it days later. Belichick was able to trade him to KC for a 2nd rounder (34th pick overall), and he threw in Mike Vrabel and a bag of chips. Again, doesn't have to be two first round picks, it can be whatever the teams decide it to be.

But this just points out how stupid Bell is, he really is doing everything possible to spite himself. If he really wants to be paid, then he would sign his tender immediately and let the Steelers find out if there are any teams that would be willing to trade. The Steelers don't necessarily need to get two first rounders, hell, I would trade him for a 2nd and 4th and be thankful to get out from under that $14.5 million which could be used for free agents.

When you look at Bell from this perspective he really is behaving like a douche. He is playing games like Cousins has these past couple years. I really think he believes that he can just keep getting franchise tag after franchise tag after franchise tag.

I don't think he is worth it obviously, and quite frankly I see him slowing down, becoming less effective. It take more and more touches for him to produce. The splash plays, the explosive plays are disappearing. He also is becoming more careless with the football, fumbling more.

My solution is to draft a RB high, first or second round and watch how fast Bell signs his franchise tender. Of course then I would just let him languish on the bench, I would have him be the backup RB to the rookie and maybe I would let Bell return kicks. Karma is a bitch. Bell would just be an insurance policy in case my 1st round rookie RB gets injured. Then after the season is over you let Bell walk and hopefully get a 3rd round comp pick for him in 2020. :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:54 am 
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Good thinking Scunge except you don't pay a guy 15m to sit on the bench. Run his wheels off then goodby.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:57 am 
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Well, I sort of typed that facetiously, I wouldn't really do that, or would I? :lol:

One thing is for certain, as much as I would love to trade Bell to the Raiders, nothing is going to happen if he does not sign the franchise tender pretty early, like in the first week.

You look at Miami with Jarvis Landry. They placed the franchise tag on him, he says he will sign it this week, maybe he already has and a trade will happen. And it probably won't be for two first round picks either. There will be some haggling, some negotiations and it might not even involve a first round pick, might end up being a 2nd rounder. Nothing is written in stone, fans read things like two first rounders and think oh we would never get that for Bell. But you look at Matt Cassel being dealt for only a 2nd rounder, anything is possible.

With Bell though, it is impossible until he signs the tender. Last season he waited until September 1st and he will probably do the same thing this year. It makes no sense. Sign the damn tender and who knows at the start of free agency in March maybe teams will make a play for you. One thing is for certain if you sign your tender in September again, right before the season starts, it will not happen. Teams have already set their rosters, spent their money, etc.

Again, just really stupid thinking by Bell and his agent.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
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I love Bell but he's a freakin' knucklehead.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
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And everyone here refers to Ben as the drama queen. At 5 years in the league he's already beat the odds. IMHO, a RB doesn't deserve $15+Mil per. I understand why he wants the big money. Still wouldn't pay him twice the highest paid RB in the league. The Steelers don't have any leverage in this scenario. Bell has it all.

He had 4 games of more than 100 Yd's rushing and 1 game with more than 100 Yd's receiving last year. He has off the field history with suspensions. He's already had some major knee injuries to boot. There's production there for sure but $15+Mil per production? Not in my humble opinion. http://www.steelers.com/team/roster/Le' ... eb4fa35b8b


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
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Don’t conflate trading with the non-exclusive tag. If they NE tag Bell and he gets another offer, and the Steelers let him go, that is when we get the two first rounders. A trade is a trade.

From the WAPO:

— An exclusive franchise tag means a team will pay that player no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position, or 120 percent of the player's previous salary, whichever is greater. The player is not allowed to negotiate with other teams.

— A nonexclusive franchise tag involves the same salary offer as an exclusive franchise tag, only the player can negotiate with other teams. The player's current team can match any offer sheet. If the old team declines to match the offer, it gets two first-round picks from the other team as compensation. This is the more commonly used franchise tag.

— By applying the transition tag, a team offers the player a salary that is the average of the top 10 salaries at his position. That player can negotiate with other teams. The player's original team has the right of first refusal to match any offer given to a transition-tagged player by another team. If the original team decides to retain the player, it must agree to the contract terms offered by the other team. If the original team decides not to match the offer and the player leaves, it receives nothing in compensation. A team can use the transition tag only if it hasn't used the franchise tag in a given offseason.

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Maybe they should use the Transition Tag and then just match the offer he gets from another team or not. Then both sides are happy, and he gets paid market value.

The Non-Exclusive tag is expensive as hell for a team...2 first rounders.
The Exclusive tag is 14 million and change this year and then goes to top 5 salaries of the top paid position next year aka franchise QB.

It sounds like Transition tag is the way to go. The Steelers are already offering him a contract with terms other teams would offer. What is the worst that could happen? I guess you could Transition tag him next year and pay the $14 million this year too.


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