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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:54 am 
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Good thinking Scunge except you don't pay a guy 15m to sit on the bench. Run his wheels off then goodby.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:57 am 
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Well, I sort of typed that facetiously, I wouldn't really do that, or would I? :lol:

One thing is for certain, as much as I would love to trade Bell to the Raiders, nothing is going to happen if he does not sign the franchise tender pretty early, like in the first week.

You look at Miami with Jarvis Landry. They placed the franchise tag on him, he says he will sign it this week, maybe he already has and a trade will happen. And it probably won't be for two first round picks either. There will be some haggling, some negotiations and it might not even involve a first round pick, might end up being a 2nd rounder. Nothing is written in stone, fans read things like two first rounders and think oh we would never get that for Bell. But you look at Matt Cassel being dealt for only a 2nd rounder, anything is possible.

With Bell though, it is impossible until he signs the tender. Last season he waited until September 1st and he will probably do the same thing this year. It makes no sense. Sign the damn tender and who knows at the start of free agency in March maybe teams will make a play for you. One thing is for certain if you sign your tender in September again, right before the season starts, it will not happen. Teams have already set their rosters, spent their money, etc.

Again, just really stupid thinking by Bell and his agent.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:23 am 
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I love Bell but he's a freakin' knucklehead.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:56 am 
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And everyone here refers to Ben as the drama queen. At 5 years in the league he's already beat the odds. IMHO, a RB doesn't deserve $15+Mil per. I understand why he wants the big money. Still wouldn't pay him twice the highest paid RB in the league. The Steelers don't have any leverage in this scenario. Bell has it all.

He had 4 games of more than 100 Yd's rushing and 1 game with more than 100 Yd's receiving last year. He has off the field history with suspensions. He's already had some major knee injuries to boot. There's production there for sure but $15+Mil per production? Not in my humble opinion. http://www.steelers.com/team/roster/Le' ... eb4fa35b8b


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:19 am 
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Don’t conflate trading with the non-exclusive tag. If they NE tag Bell and he gets another offer, and the Steelers let him go, that is when we get the two first rounders. A trade is a trade.

From the WAPO:

— An exclusive franchise tag means a team will pay that player no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position, or 120 percent of the player's previous salary, whichever is greater. The player is not allowed to negotiate with other teams.

— A nonexclusive franchise tag involves the same salary offer as an exclusive franchise tag, only the player can negotiate with other teams. The player's current team can match any offer sheet. If the old team declines to match the offer, it gets two first-round picks from the other team as compensation. This is the more commonly used franchise tag.

— By applying the transition tag, a team offers the player a salary that is the average of the top 10 salaries at his position. That player can negotiate with other teams. The player's original team has the right of first refusal to match any offer given to a transition-tagged player by another team. If the original team decides to retain the player, it must agree to the contract terms offered by the other team. If the original team decides not to match the offer and the player leaves, it receives nothing in compensation. A team can use the transition tag only if it hasn't used the franchise tag in a given offseason.

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Maybe they should use the Transition Tag and then just match the offer he gets from another team or not. Then both sides are happy, and he gets paid market value.

The Non-Exclusive tag is expensive as hell for a team...2 first rounders.
The Exclusive tag is 14 million and change this year and then goes to top 5 salaries of the top paid position next year aka franchise QB.

It sounds like Transition tag is the way to go. The Steelers are already offering him a contract with terms other teams would offer. What is the worst that could happen? I guess you could Transition tag him next year and pay the $14 million this year too.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:24 am 
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Like Scunge said, Bell has to sign it in time for the potential trade to unfold. If Bell waits till the start of the new season like last year there will be very little wiggle room with other teams. Bell has all the leverage and he and his agent know this. Steelers are in a bad position.

When inquired about his criteria for assessing that worth, He explained:

Le'Veon Bell has outlined his criteria, regarding his contract demands:

+ He’s putting up more yards per game than any NFL player (his career average of 128.9 yards from scrimmage per game is the best since the 1970 NFL-AFL merger).

+ He plays every down and basically fills the role of three backs.

+ His presence keeps the defense off guard because he can line up anywhere on any play, “causing constant mismatches every single down,” he said.

+ He’s an elite pass-blocker and No. 2 receiver.

+ The Steelers are undefeated when he gets 25 or more carries.

+ His game will age well because he makes plays not solely off athleticism, but “with my mind.”


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:38 am 
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He doesn’t have all the leverage. He played Russian Roulette last year and pulled the trigger and got lucky. He has no clue how many chambers are in the pistol and has no clue how many bullets are in the unknown number of chambers.

Steelers have leverage too.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:12 am 
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The thing about the 'undefeated when he gets more than 25 carries' is: it totally depends on when those 25 carries come. Todd Haley would just put it on a checklist, like, if you hand it to Bell the first 25 plays of the game, we'll win.

This offense was so, so much better when they utilized Bell in more favorable situations, rather than running the wheels off into stacks.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:20 am 
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100%

He's so selfish I can't fucking take it anymore.



If he holds out again and takes 3-4 games to get up to speed, then I'll revise my opinion.

However he's doing exactly what I think every player in his situation should. He's staring at $26.5M for 2 years when top RB's were getting $8M per year.

Sure, I'd respect him a lot more if he just said he's taking the tag because it's just too much money to turn down, and then see what FA holds. Don't care for all the posturing and ridiculous $15M a year to be paid like a RB and #2 receiver. No idea if he has a screw loose or just very calculating.


I agree with what he's doing, I'd definitely do it too, I put MYSELF above my employer. On the other hand, if I'm the team, and he refuses to sign the tag, I FUCK HIM OVER call his bluff, make him retire hurt his career on purpose by forcing him to lose a year in his prime and not let him leave for another team. Like I would of fucked over Harrison and done something to not let him leave for the Patriots and deactivate him basically a fuck you to ruin the end of his career. Steelers are too nice.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:10 pm 
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Seems to me bell is simply risking guaranteed new contract money against the much higher pay under a franchise tag. Like cousins - if he stays healthy - he makes much more money.
So he takes the tags, makes more, doesn’t sign and skips camp to maximize chances to stay healthy. And not signing limits what can happen - as he doesn’t want to be traded. He wants the tags

It’s a gamble of health/little money versus extra 10-20m over his career.

My issue with the tactic from Steelers view is he must be taking steps to avoid In season injuries which means lighter running, less prep and avoiding game time for any injury concern

Dude must be pretty confident he can avoid serious injury


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