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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:30 pm 
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And again the best way to get leverage back for the Steelers is to draft a RB high, 1st or 2nd round in the 2018 draft.

See, I am not content to just keep the band together for just this year and win a Super Bowl for just this year. If Ben wants to play another 3 years or more, then wouldn't it be better to spend a high pick on a RB this year who will be with Ben for the next 3,4 years until Ben retires? Bell is only going to be here for this season in all likelihood. I want multiple chances at the Super Bowl, not just one shot.

If the Steelers draft a RB high, then the power shifts from Bell and is back with the Steelers plain and simple. At that point, Bell holding out makes no sense, he would sign his franchise tender in a hurry. Oh, he could try and hold out but that rookie RB is getting reps and getting more comfortable as training camp and as the preseason games roll on. And then Bell would have to fear that the Steelers might just rescind the franchise tag like Carolina did with Josh Norman. If that happened closer to the start of the season what teams are going to have the money to sign Bell to the contract that he is looking for?

And if they drafted a RB high in the draft and franchised Bell it isn't like they still can't swing a trade. I will gladly take draft picks for Bell in the 2019 draft, a year later, after all, the comp pick we might get for Bell would be in 2020 anyway.

Furthermore, if they drafted a RB high and kept Bell on the franchise tag, great. We have depth and a great 1-2 punch, not an issue at all but a great luxury that could pay dividends for a team looking to win a Super Bowl. Imagine having Bell and then having a faster RB with more long speed who can break a 50 yard TD run or catch, who can help as a kick returner. Then you also have a rookie RB with a year under his belt ready to be the full time starter for 2019 as Bell leaves via free agency. Not really seeing the downside to it, seems to be a win win proposition anyway you look at it.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:37 pm 
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@DeAngeloRB in 15G as a PIT starter:
293 att for 1230 yds 13TD 4.2 YPC
78 tgt 61 catches for 521 4TD
Steelers 11-4

LB career stats @15G rate:
297 att for 1292 8 TD 4.3 YPC
96 tgt 76 catches for 644 2TD
Steelers 10-5

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:44 pm 
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If I were the FO, I would ask Bell to come in and sit down for a talk. I would tell him frankly that he's fucking nut if he thinks the Steelers are going to pay him that kind of dough. Tell him to sign his tender and be traded to a team willing to pay that kind of money or take less and play for the Steelers. He keeps saying he wants to be a Steeler for life to put his statement to the test. I would offer him no more than 10 mill/year. that makes him the highest paid RB by 2 mill. If he doesn't want to do either of those options, slap a Transition tag on him (if they can), and tell him to find a team willing to pay his asking price, then the Steelers will decide his future with the team. Good luck and have a nice day! Then walk out of the room. Ball is solely in his court.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:47 pm 
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And again the best way to get leverage back for the Steelers is to draft a RB high, 1st or 2nd round in the 2018 draft.

See, I am not content to just keep the band together for just this year and win a Super Bowl for just this year. If Ben wants to play another 3 years or more, then wouldn't it be better to spend a high pick on a RB this year who will be with Ben for the next 3,4 years until Ben retires? Bell is only going to be here for this season in all likelihood. I want multiple chances at the Super Bowl, not just one shot.

If the Steelers draft a RB high, then the power shifts from Bell and is back with the Steelers plain and simple. At that point, Bell holding out makes no sense, he would sign his franchise tender in a hurry. Oh, he could try and hold out but that rookie RB is getting reps and getting more comfortable as training camp and as the preseason games roll on. And then Bell would have to fear that the Steelers might just rescind the franchise tag like Carolina did with Josh Norman. If that happened closer to the start of the season what teams are going to have the money to sign Bell to the contract that he is looking for?

And if they drafted a RB high in the draft and franchised Bell it isn't like they still can't swing a trade. I will gladly take draft picks for Bell in the 2019 draft, a year later, after all, the comp pick we might get for Bell would be in 2020 anyway.

Furthermore, if they drafted a RB high and kept Bell on the franchise tag, great. We have depth and a great 1-2 punch, not an issue at all but a great luxury that could pay dividends for a team looking to win a Super Bowl. Imagine having Bell and then having a faster RB with more long speed who can break a 50 yard TD run or catch, who can help as a kick returner. Then you also have a rookie RB with a year under his belt ready to be the full time starter for 2019 as Bell leaves via free agency. Not really seeing the downside to it, seems to be a win win proposition anyway you look at it.


I think the way they are looking at this is that after restructures, they can still afford Bell at the tag rate and still go out and sign the players they want to sign. They don't particularly like the backs that will be available to them this year as players better than Bell in 2018.

I think a back gets drafted, but not in the first. Sony Michel is the only one I can see offering a similar skillset, and he wont be battle tested in cold weather, NFL blitz pickup, and ball security. One more year of Bell then figure it out in the draft next year when the only other player they will need to replace is Bryant and mayyybe Dupree. Easy enough to manage assuming no major injuries this year. The team is set up for the very run you are speaking of!

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:56 pm 
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Kudos B2B for posting that.

I had made a similar breakdown a couple years ago showing that a 33-34 year old Deangelo Williams was pretty damn productive in this offense. I think at the time I had even discovered that the offense was averaging more points per game with Williams starting over Bell at that time.

I see a lot of young DeAngelo Williams types available in this draft, it is ludicrous to think that we should pay Bell $14.5 million.

Of the 3 big names on offense, Ben, Brown and Bell which is the most expendable and easily replaced?

It isn't even close, it is Bell. For all the talk of how transcendent Bell is as a player, this once in a generation player, he is the most easily replaced. I watched Williams, a 33-34 year old Williams, put up not just good numbers but great production when he was filling in for Bell.

If we lost Ben, we are toast, if we lost Brown we are toast, not going to be able to easily replace what they do in this offense. Not as easy to draft a rookie and insert them into the starting lineup. But a rookie RB is different. Running Back is one of the most easiest positions for a rookie to come in and play well, to come in and rush for 1,000 yards.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:57 pm 
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The tag is on and the drama is heating up.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:59 pm 
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He had 749 touches in college. 1626 touches so far in his career in the NFL. Add another 400 for the upcoming season (presumably) and he's had 2,775 touches between college and the NFL. I could be wrong, but that seems like a lot of mileage for a RB who's had two fairly severe leg injuries.

The Steelers might be better served just letting him play out the franchise tag and finding his replacement next year. He's going to be going into his Age 27 season after this year and that's typically when RBs start to decline. It would be a pretty big risk to pay him top dollar with a lot of guaranteed money.

Him and his agent will look pretty dumb if the Free Agency market next year deems he's not even worth what the Steelers initially offered. His sense of self-worth is a bit unrealistic, but I think he'll find that out when he's open for bidding.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:01 pm 
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Gonzo wrote:
Seems to me bell is simply risking guaranteed new contract money against the much higher pay under a franchise tag.

Dude must be pretty confident he can avoid serious injury


Most guys avoid serious injury, and most SHOULD go the route Bell is going. Take out some insurance, and make several million more playing under the tag.

Bell's situation is a little unique, because if he blows out another knee or runs for less than 4.0 YPC this year then he should have taken the 5/$60M he was offered last year. That is the crazy part - offered 50% more per year than the next highest paid RB, and he turned it down only guaranteed to get an extra $2.5M over the 2 years. Maybe he thinks he'll get tagged a 3rd time, but there's no way.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:03 pm 
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Like I said before, so long as Bell hasn't signed his tender, I'm making a run at Hyde. PIT has been MORE than fair. Screw him.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:19 pm 
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Why did we pick James Conner in the 3rd? Can someone remind me?


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