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 Post subject: Re: What if the Steelers took M RUDOLPH QB with their 28th p
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I think Rudolph is pretty close to a finished product and will be better than most of the QBs that go ahead of him. I’d be fine with him in round 2. This team has a 3 year window with Ben and need to spend picks to win now. No 1st round QBs.


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 Post subject: Re: What if the Steelers took M RUDOLPH QB with their 28th p
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I have to be honest, I’m ok if he is selected. But like Franco points out, he may not be on the board when we pick.

If he is, I see value.

Think Packers selecting Rodgers while Favre still there.....

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franco32 wrote:
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I maybe the biggest believer in Mason Randolph...If Ben is done after this year I would consider it. If Ben has two years left I would not

I really like Rudolph. Drafting him in he 1st round this year for this team is asinine beyond belief. Ben told them he wants to play 3 more years at least. Add to that: being crappy for a year after you lose your QB seems to be a better way to get a top QB than to try and muddle along with middling picks.


Do you honestly think Ben's body will last 3 more years? I'm not so sure. Saying you will play 3 more years is easier said than done. Let's say we win a SB this year...I'd be willing to bet Ben might walk away on top. Then what?

Thing is..Rudolph may not last to 28th pick. It may be a moot point.

We suck for a year or two. I’m fine with that.

Anyway, here’s food for thought: you only have that young QB for cheap for the first few years of his contract, and in your scenario, he sits on the bench during that, and you have very little playing time to figure out if you want to give him big $$$, and no window where you can take care of the supporting cast without having to pay a franchise QB.

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 Post subject: Re: What if the Steelers took M RUDOLPH QB with their 28th p
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Yes, but Rudolph won't be there in late round 2. No way. So, do you pass on someone you have evaluated as a franchise potential QB? It's the most important position in football.

I can live with him sitting and learning a year or 2. I don't think Ben makes it 3 years. I just don't.


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 Post subject: Re: What if the Steelers took M RUDOLPH QB with their 28th p
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I probably yell a couple of mother fucks because I think picks should be used on players that can help the team win in the short term, with Ben at the helm. Might throw a pillow or two cause I'm too well adjusted to break my own shit. Would probably use that as an excuse to do a couple too many shots as well.

That being said if Colbert and Tomlin were so convinced that Mason Randolph is a transcendent player that can lead the team into the next decade of Steeler greatest (basically that he'd be the next version of Ben) I'd think they'd have to take that shot. But anything short of that type of conviction and you are doing this version of the Steelers a disservice. And I mean stake your career type of conviction, not some half-assed "well we think he can do some things that are impressive" coachspeak b.s.


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 Post subject: Re: What if the Steelers took M RUDOLPH QB with their 28th p
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if mason rudolph goes in the 1st rnd i will be absolutely stunned.


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 Post subject: Re: What if the Steelers took M RUDOLPH QB with their 28th p
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Yes, but Rudolph won't be there in late round 2. No way. So, do you pass on someone you have evaluated as a franchise potential QB? It's the most important position in football.

I can live with him sitting and learning a year or 2. I don't think Ben makes it 3 years. I just don't.

This is it...you absolutely pick Rudolph if you believe he’s the guy, regardless of Ben.
Last year Ben was talking retirement. This year states he wants to go 3 more years. Ben being Ben...he’s not making 3 more years.

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 Post subject: Re: What if the Steelers took M RUDOLPH QB with their 28th p
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franco32 wrote:
Yes, but Rudolph won't be there in late round 2. No way. So, do you pass on someone you have evaluated as a franchise potential QB? It's the most important position in football.

I can live with him sitting and learning a year or 2. I don't think Ben makes it 3 years. I just don't.


I agree. It would make sense. He would have 2years to learn the system, no pressure, work as the number 2, work on whatever he needs to with a qb coach, and be ready to take over as soon as #7 retires.
They have filled the starting positions that needed to be filled.
So why not grab Rudolph in the first, you can still go ILB / S in the second or third round, or a WR in the third.
I betting they also pick up 1-2 players that get released for cap reasons, or age but can still play for a year or two.
Don’t forget it took 20 years from Bradshaw to Ben. If it wasn’t such a QB big draft Rudolph wouldn’t get out of the top 15.


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if mason rudolph goes in the 1st rnd i will be absolutely stunned.


Def 1st rounders

Alllen
Rosen
Darnold

Most likely

Mayfield - personally I think definitely
Rudolph

Possibly

Jackson

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BarryFoster wrote:
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if mason rudolph goes in the 1st rnd i will be absolutely stunned.


Def 1st rounders

Alllen
Rosen
Darnold

Most likely

Mayfield - personally I think definitely
Rudolph

Possibly

Jackson




Darnold
Rosen
Allen
Mayfield
Jackson

All 1st rnd locks for me

Rudolph is rnd 2 probably 3rd for me. I dont even think hes all that good but thats just me.


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 Post subject: Re: What if the Steelers took M RUDOLPH QB with their 28th p
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If he is there at 28 and some team call willing to trade for the pick or do you draft him.


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Before last season started, I was sure we needed to draft a QB in the top 100 going into this coming draft. But if Ben is truly committed for at least three more seasons, you don't need to. And doing that, you're basically forced to cut Dobbs. I mean, the guy sucks, but at least give him another year to prove that.

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If Ben was going to play wouldn't they have reworked his contract to reflect that


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Dobbs is pure garbage. Rudolph is in another league compared to him. I get that Ben wants to play 3 more years. But, until he found the fountain of youth mid-season, let's be honest, Ben wasn't looking so young. I don't think he makes 3 years. I think it is 2 and an injury could compromise that in a heartbeat.

It's not too early to invest in a QB. Colbert and Tomlin have now met twice with Rudolph. They don't do a good job of masking their desires...that's for sure. I think it is a good move if he is there. I actually don't think he'll make it to #28.

One thing is for sure. My new 65 inch LG OLED is getting thrown out the window if we pick Lamar Jackson. He will suck in the NFL.


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Agree on Jackson

That would be a major fuck up

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Agree on Jackson

That would be a major fuck up




Interesting. See i see a modern version of Randall Cunningham with him. I think he'll be great in the nfl just not right away. Give me Jackson over Rudolph every day and 5x on sunday.


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GreekSteel wrote:
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Agree on Jackson

That would be a major fuck up




Interesting. See i see a modern version of Randall Cunningham with him. I think he'll be great in the nfl just not right away. Give me Jackson over Rudolph every day and 5x on sunday.


You and I are in different universes in terms of QB evaluation

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I like Rudolph. I think he is going to be a starter for a long time in the NFL. He has the tools to be a superstar. I wouldn’t mind if they drafted him. However, they better clear it with Ben first. I think Ben will definitely pull a Farve if they don’t and possibly even if they do clear it with him.


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I like Rudolph. I think he is going to be a starter for a long time in the NFL. He has the tools to be a superstar. I wouldn’t mind if they drafted him. However, they better clear it with Ben first. I think Ben will definitely pull a Farve if they don’t and possibly even if they do clear it with him.


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BarryFoster wrote:
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Agree on Jackson

That would be a major fuck up




Interesting. See i see a modern version of Randall Cunningham with him. I think he'll be great in the nfl just not right away. Give me Jackson over Rudolph every day and 5x on sunday.


You and I are in different universes in terms of QB evaluation




For sure we are and i dont even necessarily want Jackson its that with Rudolph at his absolute best hes what Neil O'donnell? Thats ok i guess but no thanks at 28. By the way i would want no part of mayfield or rosen either..id roll the dice on josh allens talent and as far as sam darnold is concerned...thats kids gonna be a stud.


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Dobbs is pure garbage. Rudolph is in another league compared to him. I get that Ben wants to play 3 more years. But, until he found the fountain of youth mid-season, let's be honest, Ben wasn't looking so young. I don't think he makes 3 years. I think it is 2 and an injury could compromise that in a heartbeat.

It's not too early to invest in a QB. Colbert and Tomlin have now met twice with Rudolph. They don't do a good job of masking their desires...that's for sure. I think it is a good move if he is there. I actually don't think he'll make it to #28.

One thing is for sure. My new 65 inch LG OLED is getting thrown out the window if we pick Lamar Jackson. He will suck in the NFL.


Dobbs likely is pure garbage. He has a live arm and intelligence. I hope they spent a year working on his mechanics and his decision making without needing to make plays in a game. We will know pretty much by the second preseason game if Dobbs is NFL caliber. Hoping he surprises. But not optimistic.


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Rudolph doesn't jump off the page to me at all. He doesn't have an elite arm, doesn't move particularly well. He doesn't bring much to the table as a starter. That's not a franchise QB prospect in my opinion. I think Darnold and Mayfield are the only ones that will have good careers, with Josh Allen being a wild card. I would definitely take Josh Allen at 28, but he wont last that long unfortunately.

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I am not high on Rudolph at all. There is always a QB every year that teams point to and say, hey maybe he is a poor man's Ben Roethlisberger? Whether it is Blake Bortles or Rudolph, there is always one QB pegged as the next Big Ben every draft.

I see Rudolph as a poor man's version of Bortles, the two are virtually clones, both throw passes that wobble too much, have the same type of game. I do think Bortles is the better player, and regardless of what he did against us I am not impressed with him as a QB.

And now many of you want to draft a Bortles clone in Rudolph?

If the argument is that he will have two or 3 years to learn under Ben and then step in, well why do you need to spend a 1st rounder in that scenario? It is just stupid to do that. I am okay to spend a 1st for a QB but he damn well better be a great prospect. I would have been thrilled if the Steelers had been able to spend a 1st round pick on Pat Mahomes last season. Not against a first rounder being spent but the player in question has to be worthy.

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I think i rather have Rudolph than Jackson. I am curious to see if he does drop to the 28th pick and how serious is Ben about playing longer than his contract.


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