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 Post subject: Re: AB vs. Jerry Rice at 30
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:33 pm 
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Stafford probably has the strongest arm in the league, what are you talking about him not "having the arm" that Ben does?


Accuracy....throwing hard =/= "great arm" Velocity PLUS accuracy is what I'm talking about. Stafford is inconsistent in that regard. Only guy I've seen with a better arm than Ben is Aaron Rodgers.

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 Post subject: Re: AB vs. Jerry Rice at 30
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:34 pm 
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Jobus Rum wrote:
I bet he can’t put it in the same windows.


Exactly. It's not just about how far or how hard you can throw it. Lots of guys can throw a 90+ mph fastball and never sniffed the majors.

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 Post subject: Re: AB vs. Jerry Rice at 30
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:18 pm 
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Yes, I know.

Let me rephrase for you then. Do you believe AB is the only wr in the history of the league who, if he gets "competent" qb play and "decent" OL play, is not dependent for anything more than that? In another words, it makes no difference for AB's numbers whether he has Competent Joe throwing him the football or Joe Montana?


I think there is only one player history that could get "his" without having elite talent around him- Barry Sanders. I think that every skill player needs people to do their jobs long enough so they can do their jobs. I think that what AB has a gift for is being a WR that can get open enough for a competent to above average QB to get him the ball. I think if you put AB on any team that has a QB that has been to the Pro Bowl we could make the argument that he could put up the same numbers +/- 5%.


Sanders didn't do much in the post season.

In 6 playoff games...

Rushing: 386 yds 4.2 Y/A
Receiving: 111 yds 5.3 Y/R
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 Post subject: Re: AB vs. Jerry Rice at 30
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:32 pm 
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Havoc wrote:
VeritasSteel wrote:
Havoc wrote:
Yes, I know.

Let me rephrase for you then. Do you believe AB is the only wr in the history of the league who, if he gets "competent" qb play and "decent" OL play, is not dependent for anything more than that? In another words, it makes no difference for AB's numbers whether he has Competent Joe throwing him the football or Joe Montana?


I think there is only one player history that could get "his" without having elite talent around him- Barry Sanders. I think that every skill player needs people to do their jobs long enough so they can do their jobs. I think that what AB has a gift for is being a WR that can get open enough for a competent to above average QB to get him the ball. I think if you put AB on any team that has a QB that has been to the Pro Bowl we could make the argument that he could put up the same numbers +/- 5%.


Sanders didn't do much in the post season.

In 6 playoff games...

Rushing: 386 yds 4.2 Y/A
Receiving: 111 yds 5.3 Y/R
Grand total of 1 TD



I’m sorry but AB couldn’t hold Barry Sanders’ jock strap. That mother fucker embarrassed people weekly with no one around him.


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 Post subject: Re: AB vs. Jerry Rice at 30
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:42 pm 
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SteelThrillsseeker wrote:
Havoc wrote:
VeritasSteel wrote:
I think there is only one player history that could get "his" without having elite talent around him- Barry Sanders. I think that every skill player needs people to do their jobs long enough so they can do their jobs. I think that what AB has a gift for is being a WR that can get open enough for a competent to above average QB to get him the ball. I think if you put AB on any team that has a QB that has been to the Pro Bowl we could make the argument that he could put up the same numbers +/- 5%.


Sanders didn't do much in the post season.

In 6 playoff games...

Rushing: 386 yds 4.2 Y/A
Receiving: 111 yds 5.3 Y/R
Grand total of 1 TD



I’m sorry but AB couldn’t hold Barry Sanders’ jock strap. That mother fucker embarrassed people weekly with no one around him.


You and I agree that Sanders was more talented than Emmitt. Sanders was an all time freak talent at rb (among the best). He's not the only one though.

Even Barry needed help in the playoffs.


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 Post subject: Re: AB vs. Jerry Rice at 30
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:01 pm 
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VeritasSteel wrote:
We did say that it had to be competent QB play. B2B you know better than anyone here that Jones and Vick aren't where Ben is as far as arm talent and knowledge of the offense. Let's be honest, they are closer to my nephew how likes fashion in talent than they are to Ben.

QB starts with AB since start of 2011:
charlie batch (3), Leftwich (1), Michael Vick (3), Landry Jones (2)

Would you say, on average, that those 9 starts are about the same as 9 starts from Blake Bortles? That might even be better than Blake Bortles.

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 Post subject: Re: AB vs. Jerry Rice at 30
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:29 am 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
VeritasSteel wrote:
We did say that it had to be competent QB play. B2B you know better than anyone here that Jones and Vick aren't where Ben is as far as arm talent and knowledge of the offense. Let's be honest, they are closer to my nephew how likes fashion in talent than they are to Ben.

QB starts with AB since start of 2011:
charlie batch (3), Leftwich (1), Michael Vick (3), Landry Jones (2)

Would you say, on average, that those 9 starts are about the same as 9 starts from Blake Bortles? That might even be better than Blake Bortles.


Yea it's too bad those 4 Qbs couldn't face the Steelers defense or else their numbers might be even better!


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 Post subject: Re: AB vs. Jerry Rice at 30
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:28 am 
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So AB can only do AB things because of Ben, hunh?

I guess someone forgot to tell AB he’s not supposed to be a generational talent when Jones is throwing the ball.

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 Post subject: Re: AB vs. Jerry Rice at 30
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:46 am 
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love ab . he does amazing things and put up great numbers in pass happy nfl. ab is no jerry rice!


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 Post subject: Re: AB vs. Jerry Rice at 30
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:36 pm 
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AB is still fucking great, man. Never said he wasn't.

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 Post subject: Re: AB vs. Jerry Rice at 30
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:50 pm 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
AB is still fucking great, man. Never said he wasn't.


Not necessarily targeted at any given poster.

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