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Most folks posting on this discussion board agree Tomlin's lack of discipline has contributed to many avoidable locker room and on the field issues that have proved detrimental to the team's success. No, doesn't mean Tomlin sucks. Just means Tomlin is who he is. That said, Always room for improvement.


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Steelafan77 wrote:
Most folks posting on this discussion board agree Tomlin's lack of discipline has contributed to many avoidable locker room and on the field issues that have proved detrimental to the team's success. No, doesn't mean Tomlin sucks. Just means Tomlin is who he is. That said, Always room for improvement.


A "players coach" that has numerous locker room and off-field problems sucks at his job.

I don't get everyone being so hell-bent on the Patriots cheating. The Giants twice (!) showed the only way to beat Brady.

How hard is it to repeatedly own a guy that took a decade to realize you must play man against the Patriots' fleet of midget receivers?

Tomlin is a fucking bum.


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I think there's a large gulf between Belichick and bum. No matter what you think of Tomlin, he resides somewhere on the positive side of that gulf. He has warts, but he has some positives, as well. Just like Bill Cowher before him, who was also owned by Brady and Belichick.


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Jobus Rum wrote:
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""Mike Tomlin is good as a head coach," Harrison said. "He's a players' coach. I think he needs to be a little bit more disciplined

A bit ironic that James Harrison says Aviators needs to be more disciplined, when he was the biggest discipline problem last season... :lol:

Yep, and all that history of the James Harrison Discipline Cancer certainly absolves Tomlin of all blame...

</sarca>

...but seriously folks...

Harrison got cut because he was vocal in pointing out the bullshit for what it was, and "Supreme Leader" Tomlin couldn't handle that kind of insubordination. :roll:

Obviously...

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 Post subject: Re: Deebo clarifies that water is wet and Tomlin sucks
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Jobus Rum wrote:
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It's not necessarily coaching. The way he described it was more like a play was called by the green dot, and then before the play, Mike Mitchell called something different for coverage.

I mean, at that level of football, there are a lot of moving parts to a D, unless you're playing a ton of man with a vanilla 4 man rush. Which the steelers weren't.

I interpreted what he said as: the playcalls and adjustments the Steelers were trying to use exceeded the capabilities of the players being asked to communicte, adjust, and execute the calls.

You can ask Tomlin and Butler to dumb things down, or you can clear out guys who were not communicating and executing. They seem to have chosen the latter.


No- he described it as two different playcalls coming in from the sideline, B2B.

Nah...Bruce Arians’ fault, Dick LeBeau’s fault, Todd Haley’s fault, Mike Mitchell’s fault...
Never, ever, EVER Mike Tomlin’s fault!!!

Never Art2’s fault. It’s starts and ends there. Robert Kraft has more gumption in his big toe. Where Art2 Thou?


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 Post subject: Re: Deebo clarifies that water is wet and Tomlin sucks
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Suwanee88 wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:
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No- he described it as two different playcalls coming in from the sideline, B2B.

Nah...Bruce Arians’ fault, Dick LeBeau’s fault, Todd Haley’s fault, Mike Mitchell’s fault...
Never, ever, EVER Mike Tomlin’s fault!!!

Never Art2’s fault. It’s starts and ends there. Robert Kraft has more gumption in his big toe. Where Art2 Thou?

You'll get back to us after the Patsies have been hamstrung by The Kraft Rule, right?

...feet be riddled with bullet holes... :cry:

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Steeledge wrote:
Yep, and all that history of the James Harrison Discipline Cancer certainly absolves Tomlin of all blame...

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No one argued that.


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...but seriously folks...

Harrison got cut because he was vocal in pointing out the bullshit for what it was, and "Supreme Leader" Tomlin couldn't handle that kind of insubordination. :roll:

Obviously...

No, Harrison was cut because he wouldn't accept a reduced role in the defense and he wouldn't adapt to changes in the defensive scheme. He wasn't "vocal" so much as he was disruptive and/or didn't show up:
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https://twitter.com/PaulZeise/status/946159599018823682

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Pabst wrote:
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Yep, and all that history of the James Harrison Discipline Cancer certainly absolves Tomlin of all blame...

</sarca>

No one argued that.


Steeledge wrote:
...but seriously folks...

Harrison got cut because he was vocal in pointing out the bullshit for what it was, and "Supreme Leader" Tomlin couldn't handle that kind of insubordination. :roll:

Obviously...

No, Harrison was cut because he wouldn't accept a reduced role in the defense and he wouldn't adapt to changes in the defensive scheme. He wasn't "vocal" so much as he was disruptive and/or didn't show up:
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Dupree said Harrison would leave the stadium as soon as he found out he was inactive the past four or five weeks, often didn’t practice or attend meetings and rarely would come in the locker room. Said he wouldn’t visit Ryan Shazier in hospital, either... :o
https://twitter.com/PaulZeise/status/946159599018823682

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Among ways Harrison tried to get himself out of Pittsburgh, one team source said Harrison was known to sleep in a recliner chair during position meetings and snore loudly while Joey Porter would teach.
https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/ ... 7175724032

...based on the re-tweeted words of that hapless wannabe-Harrison-but-couldn't-hold-his-jockstrap Dupy and "one team source"?!

:roll:

Look, post quotes of all the he said/he said you want, it doesn't change the fact that the whole Harrison mishandling was as much (probably more so) Tomlin's fuck up as anybody else's! :evil:
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 Post subject: Re: More from Deebo
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Steeledge wrote:
...based on the re-tweeted words of that hapless wannabe-Harrison-but-couldn't-hold-his-jockstrap Dupy and "one team source"?!

:roll:

Look, post quotes of all the he said/he said you want, it doesn't change the fact that the whole Harrison mishandling was as much (probably more so) Tomlin's fuck up as anybody else's! :evil:
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There is no "he said/he said". Several teammates shared those stories and Harrison never denied any of it. Also that is not a "fact", that is your (unsubstantiated) opinion.

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Pabst wrote:
that is your (unsubstantiated) opinion.

first, why would an opinion need to be "substantiated"?? :roll:
second, I believe Harrison when he said he was getting the run around from Shyster Tomlin since before the season

In fact, we all got fed that well-rehearsed line of bullshit: here's an actual news story, not "unsubstantiated" re-tweets

Sure, perhaps Harrison's acting out of frustration was not his best move, but you sit on the sidelines and watch your team suffer through getting Bud-fucked, knowing you'd do a much better job and perhaps be a difference maker for the team winning or losing over the course of half a season, and see if it doesn't start to wear on you...
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Steeledge wrote:
Pabst wrote:
that is your (unsubstantiated) opinion.

first, why would an opinion need to be "substantiated"?? :roll:

This is the dumbest comment I've read in a long time. Congrats.

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second, I believe Harrison when he said he was getting the run around from Shyster Tomlin since before the season

That's nice. He's also a malcontent with a history of making inflammatory comments. Pardon me if I don't take him at his word.

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In fact, we all got fed that well-rehearsed line of bullshit: here's an actual news story, not "unsubstantiated" re-tweets

OMG! An NFL coach is bullshitting a reporter! *clutches pearls*

Why people pay attention to pressers is beyond me. Maybe Tomlin didn't want to air grievances to the media?

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Sure, perhaps Harrison's acting out of frustration was not his best move, but you sit on the sidelines and watch your team suffer through getting Bud-fucked, knowing you'd do a much better job and perhaps be a difference maker for the team winning or losing over the course of half a season, and see if it doesn't start to wear on you...
:roll:

I'm sure it would. And I'm sure if I started acting like a jackass I'd get thrown out on the street, too.

BTW, didn't Bill Bellichick bench his #1 defensive player in the Super Bowl for some BS reason? My main complaint through all of these threads is that people go apeshit at Tomlin for things that apply to pretty much any NFL coach.

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Pabst wrote:
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In fact, we all got fed that well-rehearsed line of bullshit: here's an actual news story, not "unsubstantiated" re-tweets

OMG! An NFL coach is bullshitting a reporter! *clutches pearls*

Why people pay attention to pressers is beyond me. Maybe Tomlin didn't want to air grievances to the media?

...and you'll float out some turds you found swirling around the twitterverse drain in an effort to state your Tomlin Defense case...

are we expected to "pay attention" to a bunch of twits as a better source of truth?
:roll:

also, that article was from September 19... what grievances was he averting after week 2?!

nah, never mind, not wasting any more time on this...

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...and you'll float out some turds you found swirling around the twitterverse drain in an effort to state your Tomlin Defense case...

are we expected to "pay attention" to a bunch of twits as a better source of truth?
:roll:

also, that article was from September 19... what grievances was he averting after week 2?!

nah, never mind, not wasting any more time on this...

They're quotes from Steelers players calling out Harrison's behavior. In this case, specifically Dupree and Pouncey.

And perhaps Harrison was upset with his role in week 2 and made comments to Tomlin/teammates about it? I don't know....and here's the thing - neither do you, yet you're casting blame on Tomlin based entirely on Harrison's comments. And, once again, he has not refuted anything his teammates have said.

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Bellichick may be the best Coach.
But what if Noll HAD Drafted Dan Marino?
What if Bill Walsh DOESN'T retire and the 49ers kept Montana?
What if Bill Parcells had Brady at NE for the last 20 years?
What about Cowher with Ben his entire career? the '95, '97, 2001 & 2004 teams (Ben wouldn't be a Rookie there) ALL had great potential to win rings.

NFL history is a funny thing. Hell even Tomlin's 2014 team was smoking until the freak injury to Bell during the last game of that season.

All the Pats SB's have been nail biters and having a Franchise HOF QB to barely pull out 5 of them has been a big defining part of Belli's legacy. They could be 0 - 8, should be 3 - 5, and were VERY LUCKY to be giftwrapped two rings. Plus spending 18 full seasons never have to face another competitive team with a Franchise QB in their division. Ironically now at the end all the teams might actually have one now. Way too late to spoil the NE party.

We'll never truly know what he could have done all these years without Brady, we only have the Cleveland years to give us hints.
He's definitely great, but best ever, not really sure


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All the Pats SB's have been nail biters and having a Franchise HOF QB to barely pull out 5 of them has been a big defining part of Belli's legacy. They could be 0 - 8, should be 3 - 5, and were VERY LUCKY to be giftwrapped two rings. Plus spending 18 full seasons never have to face another competitive team with a Franchise QB in their division. Ironically now at the end all the teams might actually have one now. Way too late to spoil the NE party.


You're really grasping when you need to nitpick a coach's EIGHT Super Bowl appearances.

You're also ignoring the Pats have dominated during the salary cap era of parity. New England had the most talented roster in the AFC two (maybe three, possibly once) times during the Belichick era. He doesn't have the Steel Curtain or the 90s Cowboys offensive line. Units like those cannot exist these days.

Belichick runs the perfect offense for his QB like Walsh did for Montana (who everyone forgets was a third round pick despite playing at Notre Dame in the 70s). He gets the most out his players and almost always cuts ties at the right time, whether the player has become overpriced or it's time to remove an ubertalented knucklehead from the locker room.

The culture Belichick and Brady have created and maintained is incredible. They consistently win with inferior talent because they execute. And it doesn't hurt that like three coaches ever figured out how to rush four, play man, and let their talent win.


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All the Pats SB's have been nail biters and having a Franchise HOF QB to barely pull out 5 of them has been a big defining part of Belli's legacy. They could be 0 - 8, should be 3 - 5, and were VERY LUCKY to be giftwrapped two rings. Plus spending 18 full seasons never have to face another competitive team with a Franchise QB in their division. Ironically now at the end all the teams might actually have one now. Way too late to spoil the NE party.


You're really grasping when you need to nitpick a coach's EIGHT Super Bowl appearances.

You're also ignoring the Pats have dominated during the salary cap era of parity. New England had the most talented roster in the AFC two (maybe three, possibly once) times during the Belichick era. He doesn't have the Steel Curtain or the 90s Cowboys offensive line. Units like those cannot exist these days.

Belichick runs the perfect offense for his QB like Walsh did for Montana (who everyone forgets was a third round pick despite playing at Notre Dame in the 70s). He gets the most out his players and almost always cuts ties at the right time, whether the player has become overpriced or it's time to remove an ubertalented knucklehead from the locker room.

The culture Belichick and Brady have created and maintained is incredible. They consistently win with inferior talent because they execute. And it doesn't hurt that like three coaches ever figured out how to rush four, play man, and let their talent win.

Pretty much it, right there...

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Jobus Rum wrote:
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All the Pats SB's have been nail biters and having a Franchise HOF QB to barely pull out 5 of them has been a big defining part of Belli's legacy. They could be 0 - 8, should be 3 - 5, and were VERY LUCKY to be giftwrapped two rings. Plus spending 18 full seasons never have to face another competitive team with a Franchise QB in their division. Ironically now at the end all the teams might actually have one now. Way too late to spoil the NE party.


You're really grasping when you need to nitpick a coach's EIGHT Super Bowl appearances.

You're also ignoring the Pats have dominated during the salary cap era of parity. New England had the most talented roster in the AFC two (maybe three, possibly once) times during the Belichick era. He doesn't have the Steel Curtain or the 90s Cowboys offensive line. Units like those cannot exist these days.

Belichick runs the perfect offense for his QB like Walsh did for Montana (who everyone forgets was a third round pick despite playing at Notre Dame in the 70s). He gets the most out his players and almost always cuts ties at the right time, whether the player has become overpriced or it's time to remove an ubertalented knucklehead from the locker room.

The culture Belichick and Brady have created and maintained is incredible. They consistently win with inferior talent because they execute. And it doesn't hurt that like three coaches ever figured out how to rush four, play man, and let their talent win.

Pretty much it, right there...

um, no...

not saying I completely disagree, but it entirely ignores the real underlying reason for the Patsies' ongoing success, especially that which they've enjoyed post-cheating.

These smug assholes, on their own, are not nearly as smart as they and everybody else hanging off their sacks would have you believe. Not even Ernie Adams would be the legendary savant that he's been propped up to be without the systems, algorithms, and reports that the Kraft Data Science Machine KAGR has invested in heavily for years to develop.

There was a pre-game commentary during the last playoffs where I heard Steve Young slathering all over Tom Brady's balls for how he "mines the data pre-snap" :roll: , and I yelled "BULLSHIT!" at the TV.

Let me be clear: they are not a bunch of superior thinking geniuses as they are portrayed and nearly everybody believes them to be. They have systems and analytics in place to do all the thinking for them, and by now they're developed to the point that it makes it look like child's play to plan and execute your players into all the right places at the right times.

Why do you think Goodell destroyed the tapes?!
I imagine that meeting went something like this:
Bill: Yeah, the taping was a bit shady, but all we were doing was gathering data...
Roger: Really?? Seems like a rather difficult way to do do that.
Bill: Yeah, but it's all we have at this point.
Roger: Well, we're working on this Next-Gen Stats data warehouse, where all that data is already available if you know how to read it.
Bill: Really?! (begins to drool)
Roger: Yeppers! Tell you what (tosses tapes in incinerator), let's just destroy these since they really won't understand anyway... (winks)
Bill: Yeah, that's true.. (chuckles)
Roger: We'll have to fine you, and it will have to look good to appease the unwashed masses, but you'll make the money back in no time...
Bill: Sure.
Roger: From now on, you let us acquire the data for you...it will be completely legitimized, because if it's available to everybody, it's not cheating, right?
Bill: Right!
Roger: Then all you need to do is put some systems and tools in place to acquire, mine, and interpret the trends from the data...the rest will be easy peasy, and we'll both make out like kings! Do we have a deal? (offers hand)
Bill: absolutely! (grasps and shakes hand vigorously)
Roger: And remember, they really won't understand anyway (winks again)
Bill: Yeah...(chuckles again)

Meanwhile, back at the confluence, we ignore such things because Mr. Aviators can't see their relevance, let alone importance, and "we do what we do" with our star players running headlong into brick walls until their bodies break down, and we're stuck wondering what happened again... :evil:

It was plain to see almost 4 years ago, when I said
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...all Mikey T has to do is prove me wrong.

Still waiting...

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You guys realize that Adams is in Brady's ear up until 15 seconds left on the clock play clock.

He calls out everything to him. He has a photographic memory and can pick up what the defense is going to do.

Brady still has to execute but when you come to the line and Ernie says in his ear "Blitz coming from your left, hit Edelman" It's pretty easy.

I'll give B&B their due when they win 1 game while Adams is locked in a closet 3 states away.


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All the Pats SB's have been nail biters and having a Franchise HOF QB to barely pull out 5 of them has been a big defining part of Belli's legacy. They could be 0 - 8, should be 3 - 5, and were VERY LUCKY to be giftwrapped two rings. Plus spending 18 full seasons never have to face another competitive team with a Franchise QB in their division. Ironically now at the end all the teams might actually have one now. Way too late to spoil the NE party.


You're really grasping when you need to nitpick a coach's EIGHT Super Bowl appearances.

You're also ignoring the Pats have dominated during the salary cap era of parity. New England had the most talented roster in the AFC two (maybe three, possibly once) times during the Belichick era. He doesn't have the Steel Curtain or the 90s Cowboys offensive line. Units like those cannot exist these days.

Belichick runs the perfect offense for his QB like Walsh did for Montana (who everyone forgets was a third round pick despite playing at Notre Dame in the 70s). He gets the most out his players and almost always cuts ties at the right time, whether the player has become overpriced or it's time to remove an ubertalented knucklehead from the locker room.

The culture Belichick and Brady have created and maintained is incredible. They consistently win with inferior talent because they FUCKING CHEAT. And it doesn't hurt that like three coaches ever figured out how to rush four, play man, and let their talent win.


Fixed that for you.


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You guys realize that Adams is in Brady's ear up until 15 seconds left on the clock play clock.

He calls out everything to him. He has a photographic memory and can pick up what the defense is going to do.

Brady still has to execute but when you come to the line and Ernie says in his ear "Blitz coming from your left, hit Edelman" It's pretty easy.

I'll give B&B their due when they win 1 game while Adams is locked in a closet 3 states away.


This.


With even more cheating sprinkled in I’m sure.


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Sorry, but Tomlin recently gave an interview in which he addressed Harrison's comments. During the interview, a reporter asked him if he evaluates himself after the season. To much my laughter, Tomlin said, "Of course, you always have to evaluate yourself so you can get better or you wouldn't be a coach in the NFL for long!" Well, that made me bust a gut for a couple obvious reasons.

Reason 1: Tomlin is still the same coach he was when he got the job. There has not been one iota of change the man has made concerning his coaching. His weaknesses
are on constant display each and every weak, as in all of the years past. So, Fuck Him!!! (In fact, I see him digressing)

Reason 2: See reason # 1 plus the fact that he is Rooney's hand picked piece of shit that has a job as long as he wants it no matter what he does and does not do!
AND ...he fucking knows it!

I don't know whether there is another coach out there that could do a better job or not, but I do think that the FO and Rooney needs to demand some changes and make his seat red hot to make the changes. Tomlin's philosophy of coaching purely sucks. It lends itself to a team of "I's" not a team of "we's". Just look at his decisions for the conditioning test where several stars got to sit it out. That does not show everyone is on the same level and does not set a reasonable standard or expectation (James Harrison nailed this perfectly). You don't have to be a prick like Belicheat, but you do have to have a command of your team, not the team having a command of you.

Many moons ago, I had a great wrestling coach. He was a great technician and I learned a lot. However, he was a complete push over with the upper-class men. We had great talent on the team that was never realized and never won our conference championships. After my sophomore year, he left and we got a new coach. This coach was not as good technically, but he was hard as hell on us. He set the bar high and never wavered from it. We had 6 am weightlifting sessions, had to regulate our weights within 1 or 2 pounds daily (instead of ups and downs), and had to carry fellow wrestlers on our backs up 4 flights of stairs for 1/2 an hour after grueling practices. In a way, I hated that mother fucker every year. The good news was, that even with less talent, our efforts paid off both years and we took home the league championships both my junior and senior years. This story constantly reminds me of the difference I perceive is between Tomlin and Belicheat.


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SteelThrillsseeker wrote:
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You guys realize that Adams is in Brady's ear up until 15 seconds left on the clock play clock.

He calls out everything to him. He has a photographic memory and can pick up what the defense is going to do.

Brady still has to execute but when you come to the line and Ernie says in his ear "Blitz coming from your left, hit Edelman" It's pretty easy.

I'll give B&B their due when they win 1 game while Adams is locked in a closet 3 states away.


This.


With even more cheating sprinkled in I’m sure.

It's not a photographic memory, it's months or even years of analytics reports that the KAGR Machine churned out, right there at his fingertips on the Microsoft Surface he brought with him to the booth...

...and it's not cheating, it's using Business Intelligence to gain a competitive advantage.

...it just looks like cheating to the uninformed...

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Ernie: Bill, we have a problem.

Bill: What is it?

Ernie: They're going to rush four and play man.

Bill: That's a problem. They're better than us hat-on-hat. My line is always shaky and I have three midgets on the field.

Ernie: Don't worry Bill. You're playing Mike Tomlin. He's far too clever to stick with what's working. They're now lining up for an overload blitz....


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Bill Belichick and the Patriots do not need to cheat to beat Mike Tomlin and our sieve defense.

I will always love James Harrison. Even more so for his candor and honesty. Thank you, James!

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