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I think you might have trouble shifting Ola (post-draft interest from other league GM's won't go away based on current performance) and maybe Thomas to the PS. Chick and Dirty Red are stiffs.


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Any chance we could talk to the Redskins about a trade for Fitz T?


Why?

Kelley and Perine are both better than FT, not to mention Chris Thompson who has very nice scat back qualities.

I think Thompson would compliment any early down runner quite impessively.


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I can't think of a single reason to keep Chickillo over Anediyi. I'm not even sure he's better than Hugenin.

I'm not sure the Steelers will, but I could make a case for keeping Thomas as a swing guy... he is useful in coverage and is athletic enough to be a plus blitzer/edge rusher. Really raw as a pass rusher and looks much more comfortable in coverage... but I think he can eventually do both well.

I think the team really likes Chickillo and Matakevich and their intangibles, but I'm not sure either is a lock to be the top backup at their respective positions.

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 Post subject: Re: After 1 preseason game (53)
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Matakevich needs to go away. He does not have the minimum athleticism required for the position even as a backup.

Chickillo did not do anything to impress at least that I noticed vs Eagles.


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I think Feiler gets the nod over Rodgers just from the flex standpoint. The more you're capable of doing the better your chances of making the roster. Feiler has played both guard/tackle and has spent time experiencing center. Rodgers is your standard right tackle. Okorafor is the swing OT going forward. Feiler and Finney have established themselves as a do it all guys. There are your 3 backups. I like what I saw from Prince too but I believe Collins who played both guard/center likely gets the nod over Prince for PS spot. Also liked what Kyle Meadows was capable of. A late addition if you will.

Linebacker is tough to really get a solid eval. I look at Adams who has the "playbook" experience over Adeniyi but didn't really show any flash or perhaps as much flash as Adeniyi did. That could be the level of competition at where they each played in the scheme of things, I don't know. Seemed to me at first glance Adeniyi was the more athletic of the two and had more success. Adams has a year in the system already and IMO it's his roster spot to lose. Chickillo and Matakevich are on the fence IMO. Either can be upgraded. That said, neither have really been out done through any competition, "Yet". Bostic IMHO has disappointed. He should have dominated at ILB especially over Matakevich and stole his lunch. Thomas showed up but is still pretty raw IMHO. Perhaps with a year in the system he can replace VWill. IMHO, still haven't got Shazier's replacement on the roster. Huguenin, Kelsey and Galambos all unseen as well. Should've been able to separate themselves by now but haven't.

WR will be intriguing to me. I hope to see both Hunter and Heyward-Bey shown the exit but I believe not enough talent has shown up yet so that isn't likely to happen. Patterson is still a bit of an unknown at this point. Still a bit raw but shows a tenacity to make plays. Saw him blocking in the open field while on offense too. With a lot more tutelage Patterson could emerge as a very good player taking a roster spot. Likely wouldn't clear waivers to make the PS. Griffey and Jones have to step up big and Thomas proved he's not a return guy. Griffey was on point for ST's. Was consistently in the play when covering kicks/punts. Perhaps a replacement for Heyward-Bey? Didn't see much from Tucker who was the early favorite to take Rogers place when Rogers was unsigned.

DLine is another intriguing scenario. Sayles and Frazier are both players that I hope get more reps and establish themselves as worthy players to keep. Although I wanted to see more from Gilmore I believe he still has the chance to prove himself with more meaningful reps. McCullers still an unknown at this point in his career isn't going to switch on the light as some hoped. He was playing versus scrubs and still couldn't separate himself. I think his roster spot is up for grabs. Hooks looked just as incapable as McCullers did. Didn't notice Cothren or Vickers. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing.

Special Teams Specialists, RB, TE and DB are pretty much set going forward. That said, Toussaint and Ridley have a pretty good competition going. I did see James Summers line up in the back field as a FB. Does that mean they're looking at having a competition with Nix for FB? Marcus Allen made some early plays on ST's. Could be his only shot at the roster. Still have 3 more preseason games for evals. Looking forward to them. ;)


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 Post subject: Re: After 1 preseason game (53)
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I would say goodbye to both Matakevich and Chickillo and replace them with Adeniyi and Thomas. I'd also say good-bye to DHB and keep either Henderson for PRs or Tucker. But... That's putting a lot of trust in rookie UDFAs!


Adeniyi needs to show more in the pre season games before Chick gets on with his life. I would love to see Ola make the team over Chick but we need to see more against real OTs from Adeniyi.

Here's Anediyi's secret weapon: he's really good vs the run. If he gives you anything as a pass rusher and STs, he's worth keeping over Chick.

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 Post subject: Re: After 1 preseason game (53)
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I can't think of a single reason to keep Chickillo over Anediyi. I'm not even sure he's better than Hugenin.

I'm not sure the Steelers will, but I could make a case for keeping Thomas as a swing guy... he is useful in coverage and is athletic enough to be a plus blitzer/edge rusher. Really raw as a pass rusher and looks much more comfortable in coverage... but I think he can eventually do both well.

I think the team really likes Chickillo and Matakevich and their intangibles, but I'm not sure either is a lock to be the top backup at their respective positions.


Chik sucks. I was pulling for Dirty Red but wow both of them looked horrible against the Eagles.

Anediyi and Thomas have to be better prospects/ or more useful with more reps/coaching.


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 Post subject: Re: After 1 preseason game (53)
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Both of them have athletic skills Chick and Red don't. Knowledge of the system and instinct were supposed to be the edge for the veterans, but they weren't exactly on display in game one.


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 Post subject: Re: After 3rd preseason game (53)
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The 53-man roster in the preseason is typically an ever-changing thing, an amoeba-like animal, morphing and adjusting to its environment. Injuries and what’s happening in the preseason games make all of the difference in the world, washing away the memories of good performances early in training camp.

The Steelers are now three games into their 2018 preseason. They’ve got just one final tuneup remaining, that coming Thursday night at Heinz Field against the Panthers. And, as has typically been the case, the starters won’t see much, if any, playing time. Mike Tomlin won’t want to risk a serious injury just over a week before the regular season begins.

We took a look at what the 53-man roster could look like a week from now when the Steelers trim their roster next Saturday following the second preseason game in Green Bay. We’ll do so again today after gaining some clarity following the team’s 16-6 win Saturday afternoon against the Titans.

• Quarterback (3): Ben Roethlisberger, Landry Jones, Mason Rudolph I agree

Josh Dobbs didn’t play at all in preseason game No. 3 but will get an opportunity to start the finale against the Panthers. Perhaps the Steelers are hoping for an injury so they can slide Dobbs onto IR. Or maybe they’re of the belief he has a good game and they can flip him for a late draft pick. :shock: That’s unlikely.

Roethlisberger looked rusty early against the Titans but warmed up. Jones threw an interception, but that was as more the fault of Justin Hunter getting the ball taken away from him as anything.

• Running back (4): Le’Veon Bell, James Conner, Jaylen Samuels, Roosevelt Nix, Stevan Ridley Is who I add

Stevan Ridley falls off my original 53-man roster. He’s been nursing a leg injury for more than a week and has missed the past two preseason games. That won’t help his cause at all.

The Steelers featured Samuels, a rookie fifth-round draft pick, against the Titans and he responded with 11 carries for 41 yards and four receptions for another 36. He also had a TD called back on a holding penalty on Marcus Tucker.

But he put that TD catch and run on film.

”He’s growing like a lot of young guys should,” Tomlin said. “It’s been a hard fight. It’s been a tiresome fight at times for young players but I don’t want to see anyone let up as the road gets narrow. We need to have the type of guys that display the grit, that can lean in and fight to the finish. He’ll be given an opportunity to do that.”

That likely means Samuels gets an opportunity to see extensive playing time against Carolina.

“I’m not happy,” Samuels said. “I’m not satisfied. There’s still work to do.”

Fitzgerald Toussaint could make push as a special teams-only player, but the Steelers released him last year at the start of the season. The thinking here is they do so again.

Wide receivers (6): Antonio Brown, JuJu Smith-Schuster, James Washington, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Justin Hunter I think they go 5 WR's

Trey Griffey is pushing here, especially with Washington suffering an abdominal injury against the Titans. He’s viewed as a slot guy and with the situation with Eli Rogers, who is now suspended for the opener in addition to being injured, that could be big.

Tucker didn’t help his cause with a couple of penalties, but they were effort penalties, not silly things. Those can be cleaned up.

Hunter had a big touchdown catch running outside the numbers but coughed the ball up when he had an opportunity to make a play inside the numbers. That’s kind of his M.O. But Roethlisberger likes him.

• Tight end (3): Vance McDonald, Jesse James, Bucky Hodges I agree

Xavier Grimble’s thumb injury is a big deal. He’s in a cast and probably opens the season on IR with a chance to return at midsession.

That opens the door for Hodges to get a spot. He’s more NFL ready than Pharoah McKever, though the Steelers also could look for outside help.

McDonald is still shooting to be ready for the opener. We’ll see if he returns to practice this week. James suffered a back contusion going up to make a high catch against the Titans but should be OK.

• Offensive line (8): Alejandro Villanueva, Marcus Gilbert, Ramon Foster, David DeCastro, Maurkice Pouncey, B.J. Finney, Matt Feiler, Chukes Okorafor I agree

No changes here, though R.J. Prince showed well against the Titans at offensive tackle. Zach Banner also is an intriguing prospect, but he also has been cut by two other teams, so you can likely slide him onto the practice squad for sure.

Okorafor was used in some six offensive linemen jumbo packages against the Titans. He’s not perfect, but he is getting better.

• Defensive line (6): Cameron Heyward, Stephon Tuitt, Javon Hargrave, Tyson Alualu, L.T. Walton, Daniel McCullers I say Hooks is pushing McCullers

No changes here. McCullers didn’t play against the Titans, but that’s because he’s been dealing with a minor injury.

The Steelers had another good day stopping the run. After allowing 2.7 yards per carry against the Packers, they gave up 2.1 against the Titans. It was even better against the Titans’ starters, who gained just 2.0 yards per carry on 12 attempts.

This group — Heyward and Tuitt in particular — could be a big reason why the defense is better than it was at the end of last season.

• Inside linebacker (5): Vince Williams, Jon Bostic, L.J. Fort, Matthew Thomas, Tyler Matakevich I agree

I didn’t have Matakevich on my last roster, but with some concessions elsewhere, they can keep a special teams ace. It does appear they have come to the realization he can’t play in the base defense.

Thomas led the team with seven tackles and also had one on special teams against the Titans. He could be a situational guy when the season starts, but remember, T.J. Watt didn’t play in this game. Thomas was getting his playing time in place of Anthony Chickillo, who was replacing Watt.

It’s unlikely the Steelers take Watt off the field, but you never know, they did at times last season. It’s all about options. Fort and Thomas give you that in the passing game.

• Outside linebacker (4): Bud Dupree, T.J. Watt, Anthony Chickillo, Ola Adeniyi, Keion Adams I added

I like Farrington Huguenin. He’s active and has looked good in the past two preseasons. But Adeniyi plays like his hair is on fire. Huguenin heads to the practice squad and Adeniyi to the active roster, though it wouldn’t surprise me if it was the other way around. It depends on who Danny Smith wants for special teams.

• Cornerbacks (6): Joe Haden, Artie Burns, Mike Hilton, Cameron Sutton, Coty Sensabaugh, Brian Allen I agree

This is a pretty good overall group with solid depth. I can still see Sensabaugh drawing some interest from a team looking for cornerback help. Veteran corners with starting experience are a tradeable commodity.

Allen is turning into a solid special teams player and Sutton and Hilton both have added value of being able to play safety.

• Safety (5): Morgan Burnett, Sean Davis, Terrell Edmunds, Nat Berhe, Marcus Allen I can see them wanting to keep Allen here but can't, do to the numbers game

Berhe is on this list after not being on my initial 53-man roster. He’s a special teams captain type.

Allen was pretty banged up throughout this process, but had the kind of game he needed against the Titans. The fourth game will be a big one for him. He has to show he can contribute on special teams.

• Specialists (3): Chris Boswell, Jordan Berry, Kameron Canaday I agree

No surprises here at this point, though it seems to be more of an open competition after Berry struggled in Green Bay.

Matt Wile had a solid game against the Titans averaging 48.7 yards and netting 48.3 on three kicks, two of which were downed inside the 20. But Berry wasn’t bad, either, getting a kick downed at the 8 from the Tennessee 43 and then ripping off a 52-yarder from his own 23.

This could be one spot that is decided for sure in the game against the Panthers. Agreed Wile put up good numbers vs Berry. In the least he'll be auditioning for another franchise.

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 Post subject: Re: After 1 preseason game (53)
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I would say goodbye to both Matakevich and Chickillo and replace them with Adeniyi and Thomas. I'd also say good-bye to DHB and keep either Henderson for PRs or Tucker. But... That's putting a lot of trust in rookie UDFAs!


Adeniyi needs to show more in the pre season games before Chick gets on with his life. I would love to see Ola make the team over Chick but we need to see more against real OTs from Adeniyi.

Here's Anediyi's secret weapon: he's really good vs the run. If he gives you anything as a pass rusher and STs, he's worth keeping over Chick.


But but Chickillo is versatile! He can suck at both strong and weak side. ;)

I normally don't get too upset over the final cuts, but if they keep Chickillo over Adeniyi that will be a huge head scratcher for me.

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 Post subject: Re: After 3rd preseason game (53)
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We've seen what Berry has to offer over the last few years and he's been inconsistent for his complete time here. Is Wile not worthy of a decent chance? I don't see what makes him a sacred cow.


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I am not quite as down on Chickillo as many of you but the reason he makes the team is because of his special teams.

He led ALL linebackers in special teams snaps in 2016 with 278. Last season he led ALL linebackers with 317 special teams snaps. And it wasn't just the linebackers, Chick led the whole damn team in special teams snaps two years running now. You know Danny Smith loves him some Darius Heyward-Bey but even he only had 232 special teams snaps last year. Everyone talks of how Bey is so important on special teams and yet Chick had 85 more snaps than Bey.

I just can't see the Steelers cutting Chickillo and his nearly 600 special teams snaps the past two years and expecting a rookie OLB to be able to step in and fill that void. But I think that is a moot point anyway, they will keep 5 OLBs and be able to keep Watt, Dupree, Chick, Adams and Adeniyi.

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Do yo see the steelers adding anyone outside the team?


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QB - 3 - Ben, Landry, Mason
RB - 5 - Bell, Conner, Fitzgerald, Samuels, Nix
WR - 5 - AB, JuJu, Washington, Hunter, Tucker
TE - 3 - McDonald, James, Grimble
OL - 8 - AV, Foster, Pouncey, Decastro, Gilbert, Okorafor, Feiler, Finney
TOTAL: 24

DL - 6 - Heyward, Hargrave, Tuitt, Walton, Alualu, McCullers
OLB - 4 - Dupree, Watt, Chickillo, Adeniyi
ILB - 5 - Williams, Bostic, Matakevich, Fort, Thomas
CB - 6 - Burns, Haden, Hilton, Sutton, Sensabaugh, Allen
S - 5 - Davis, Burnett, Edmunds, Dangerfield, Berhe
TOTAL: 26

K - Boswell
P - Berry
LS - Kanaday
TOTAL: 3

Practice Squad - 10
Keion Adams
Lavon Hooks
Farrington Huguenin
Josh Frazier
Marcus Allen
Josh Dobbs
Bucky Hodges
Zach Banner
Damoun Patterson
RJ Prince

PUP - 1 - Eli Rogers

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We've seen what Berry has to offer over the last few years and he's been inconsistent for his complete time here. Is Wile not worthy of a decent chance? I don't see what makes him a sacred cow.


Berry is a good punter. The problem is people look at his numbers and don't account for the fact that he punts a lot on a short field.

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The one thing that concerns me about Berry is the damn spin on his balls seems to be a negative thing with him now. It isn't just this preseason but even last season too, the ball hits the ground and then bounces backwards, not forwards. It is happening more and more with him. That is the craziest thing about kickers and punters, sometimes things just go astray and before you know it you have a problem with no easy way to fix it.

The other thing with Berry is that more and more he seems to have a letdown in an important point of the game. Like we need a big booming punt to flip the field and he disappoints. Examples of this?

The first Jax loss, it is early in the 2nd quarter our offense is stopped and we are at our own 19 yard line. Berry really needs to come in and flip the field, we need a really long booming punt to push Jax back. What happens? Berry punts for 29 yards.

The Denver playoff loss, it is early in the first quarter we have to punt and we are at our 4 yard line. Yeah, tough situation to be in as a punter but still, you need to boom that punt. How far did Berry boom it? It went 27 yards. Denver had the ball at our 31 yard line. That is what I am talking about, yeah, great, Berry can coffin kick it when he is at midfield and there is no pressure. But when the pressure is truly on, when he needs to flip the field, boom a punt to get out of the hole the offense dug, Berry tends to underperform too often for my taste.

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I am pulling for Adeniyi to make this team. Love the Toledo kid and his potential.

Hoping M. Thomas makes it too. It appears that he will.


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Dobbs will get traded for a 7th rounder. Someone will take him.


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 Post subject: Re: After 3rd preseason game (53)
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I think Berry's job could be in jeopardy. Matt Wile looked pretty good last week, and did a nice job as the holder, also.

The other guy in purgatory right now is Javon Hargrave. He was in the game late in Q4 last week. Could it be that Lavon Hooks is challenging Hargrave for a roster spot? That would be a wow.

I wouldn't rule out Brian Allen being the odd man out in the secondary, especially if they choose to keep an extra TE at the start of the year.

RB and LB will be the most interesting cuts. I personally like Samuels and Toussaint and maybe even Ridley more for this team than Conner but I know they don't feel that way. As for LBs, I think Thomas makes it as a swing guy, with 4 each of ILBs/OLBs otherwise. Bostic, Williams, Fort, Matakevich, Dupree, Watt, Adeniyi, Chickillo, Thomas

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 Post subject: Re: After 3rd preseason game (53)
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I think Berry's job could be in jeopardy. Matt Wile looked pretty good last week, and did a nice job as the holder, also.

The other guy in purgatory right now is Javon Hargrave. He was in the game late in Q4 last week. Could it be that Lavon Hooks is challenging Hargrave for a roster spot? That would be a wow.

I wouldn't rule out Brian Allen being the odd man out in the secondary, especially if they choose to keep an extra TE at the start of the year.

RB and LB will be the most interesting cuts. I personally like Samuels and Toussaint and maybe even Ridley more for this team than Conner but I know they don't feel that way. As for LBs, I think Thomas makes it as a swing guy, with 4 each of ILBs/OLBs otherwise. Bostic, Williams, Fort, Matakevich, Dupree, Watt, Adeniyi, Chickillo, Thomas


No, on Hargrave. He started v Titans and played well.


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