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 Post subject: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:23 am 
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Ben's record by month (regular season only):
Sep 21-21-1 - .500
Oct 36-12-0 - .750
Nov 33-17-0 - .660
Dec 41-15-0 - .732
Jan... 5-0-0 - 1.000

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:32 am 
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Under Cowher:
Sep.. 3-4 - .429
Oct.. 8-3 - .727
Nov.. 6-3 - .667
Dec 11-2 - .846
Jan... 1-0 -1.000

Under Tomlin:
Sep 18-17-1 - .514
Oct. 28-9-0 - .757
Nov 27-14-0 - .659
Dec 30-13-0 - .698
Jan... 5-0-0 - 1.000

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Ben's record by month (regular season only):
Sep 21-21-1 - .500
Oct 36-12-0 - .750
Nov 33-17-0 - .660
Dec 41-15-0 - .732
Jan... 5-0-0 - 1.000


Put the playoff record in there, and January desn’t look quite as good.

16-7-0...11-7-0 in the postseason...with 8 of the 11 coming 8 years ago or longer.

So in the last 8 years...3-4 in postseason.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:47 am 
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Thanks for the stats.

Slow out of the gates.
Big rebound in October.
Stay hot and stay the course in November.
Play their best football in December and January.

Wonder what the record would be in September if this team consistently prepared better before the season started.

Took the offseason to prepare for OTA's, took the time during OTA's to prepare for Camp.
Used camp to prepare for pre-season games. Meshed with new players. Built on existing chemistry.
And used pre-season games to prepare to play disciplined, fundamental football by a team in sync and in rhythm.
Poor September football has resulted in missed playoffs, miss home field advantages, missed byes and wasted seasons.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
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last 7 years.......

9-12-1 in September.

We sleep walk thru September.

Our biggest September game under Mike tomlin is Monday night.

I hope this is not his last September game as HC of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
I expect a huge rebound game.

7 years has gone so fast.............
Wake me up, when September ends.




The Teams Theme Song for September

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
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Jeemie wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Ben's record by month (regular season only):
Sep 21-21-1 - .500
Oct 36-12-0 - .750
Nov 33-17-0 - .660
Dec 41-15-0 - .732
Jan... 5-0-0 - 1.000


Put the playoff record in there, and January desn’t look quite as good.

16-7-0...11-7-0 in the postseason...with 8 of the 11 coming 8 years ago or longer.

So in the last 8 years...3-4 in postseason.

Who gives a shit? We're talking about the regular season here and how this year's slow start relates to history. If you want to piss on some cornflakes, start your own thread. Besides, it's awfully disingenuous to compare regular season success and its accompanying level of opponent to the more select teams of post-season.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
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I wonder what our December-January record would be like if they started gangbusters. I mean, that's fair to ask.

And the thing that really struck me was how it was the same under Cowher.

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Jeemie wrote:
So in the last 8 years...3-4 in postseason.

So in the last 3 years of postseasons:

BenR 3-3
ARod 3-2
Brees 1-1
RussW 2-2

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
I wonder what our December-January record would be like if they started gangbusters. I mean, that's fair to ask.

And the thing that really struck me was how it was the same under Cowher.


Perhaps like the 2007 season when Tomlin admittedly worked the team hard in his first preseason training camp and the team collapsed down the stretch?


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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
I wonder what our December-January record would be like if they started gangbusters. I mean, that's fair to ask.

And the thing that really struck me was how it was the same under Cowher.


The sample size under Cowher is not representative.

In 2004 Ben was a raw rookie and he was thrust into the Baltimore game when it was already lost.

In 2006 he was recovering from his face plant and appendicitis.

Totally inappropriate to try and compare the two data sets.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
I wonder what our December-January record would be like if they started gangbusters. I mean, that's fair to ask.

And the thing that really struck me was how it was the same under Cowher.


Why would that strike you? Cowher = Tomlin.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
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I personally have always liked, what I think is Tomlin’s strategy, To treat the season as a marathon, and have the team ready for the sprint in December/January.

I would have thought it would have yielded more rings with the talent, but on the whole I think it was, has been and is a solid strategy. It is the strategy against the best dynasty in the history of league that has not worked when couple with above. Who knew! It is like betting on red at the roulette table and black just keeps coming up out of statistical norms. This time it will be red...this time for sure; definitely this time.


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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
So in the last 8 years...3-4 in postseason.

So in the last 3 years of postseasons:

BenR 3-3
ARod 3-2
Brees 1-1
RussW 2-2


Brady 6-2

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
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I personally have always liked, what I think is Tomlin’s strategy, To treat the season as a marathon, and have the team ready for the sprint in December/January.

I would have thought it would have yielded more rings with the talent, but on the whole I think it was, has been and is a solid strategy. It is the strategy against the best dynasty in the history of league that has not worked when couple with above. Who knew! It is like betting on red at the roulette table and black just keeps coming up out of statistical norms. This time it will be red...this time for sure; definitely this time.


They don't have to play the 1974-79 Pittsburgh Steelers.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
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Obviously wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
So in the last 8 years...3-4 in postseason.

So in the last 3 years of postseasons:

BenR 3-3
ARod 3-2
Brees 1-1
RussW 2-2


Brady 6-2


Foles 3-0
Bortles 2-1
Osweiler 1-1

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
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Jeemie wrote:
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I wonder what our December-January record would be like if they started gangbusters. I mean, that's fair to ask.

And the thing that really struck me was how it was the same under Cowher.


The sample size under Cowher is not representative.

In 2004 Ben was a raw rookie and he was thrust into the Baltimore game when it was already lost.

In 2006 he was recovering from his face plant and appendicitis.

Totally inappropriate to try and compare the two data sets.

Had an elite defense, so, if anything makes it more interesting that they, too, started slowly.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
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Obviously wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
So in the last 8 years...3-4 in postseason.

So in the last 3 years of postseasons:

BenR 3-3
ARod 3-2
Brees 1-1
RussW 2-2


Brady 6-2

that's a given... didn't think you needed me to point it out. But look at what an outlier he is. Just because you have an elite QB doesn't mean you're going to win the SB every year, or even be better than .500 in the postseason.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
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USS Steelerworks wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
I wonder what our December-January record would be like if they started gangbusters. I mean, that's fair to ask.

And the thing that really struck me was how it was the same under Cowher.


Perhaps like the 2007 season when Tomlin admittedly worked the team hard in his first preseason training camp and the team collapsed down the stretch?


Ipso post facto fallacy

The 2016 and 2017 Steelers didn't work hard in training camp and still collapsed in the playoffs.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
I wonder what our December-January record would be like if they started gangbusters. I mean, that's fair to ask.

And the thing that really struck me was how it was the same under Cowher.


The sample size under Cowher is not representative.

In 2004 Ben was a raw rookie and he was thrust into the Baltimore game when it was already lost.

In 2006 he was recovering from his face plant and appendicitis.

Totally inappropriate to try and compare the two data sets.

Had an elite defense, so, if anything makes it more interesting that they, too, started slowly.


In 2006 the defense was middling all year. Didn’t play elite.

Also, they lost a game 9-0 in September. How you going to blame that on the defense?

I’ll say it again...the time under Cowher...not a representative sample.

Here’s a representative sample. 11 years under Cowher 1995-2005...they were 20-16 in September.

28-20 in September over the course of Cowher’s entire 15 year career.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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Brady 6-2

that's a given... didn't think you needed me to point it out. But look at what an outlier he is. Just because you have an elite QB doesn't mean you're going to win the SB every year, or even be better than .500 in the postseason.


I was just wondering why you left him out. Yes, agree on your other point. It's been 10 seasons since the Steelers last won the SB with our elite QB, and no it isn't on him.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
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Obviously wrote:
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Brady 6-2

that's a given... didn't think you needed me to point it out. But look at what an outlier he is. Just because you have an elite QB doesn't mean you're going to win the SB every year, or even be better than .500 in the postseason.


I was just wondering why you left him out. Yes, agree on your other point. It's been 10 seasons since the Steelers last won the SB with our elite QB, and no it isn't on him.


Since Ben has been in the league only two coach/QB combinations have won multiple Super Bowls.

One is a pair of cheaters and the other is Eli/Coughlin.

Winning a Lombardi is really fucking hard.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
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Here’s a representative sample. 11 years under Cowher 1995-2005...they were 20-16 in September.

28-20 in September over the course of Cowher’s entire 15 year career.

Yeah, well guess what:
Mike Tomlin's September record is 23-17-1
Bill Cowher's September record was 28-20-0

Do you kinda see my point, here?

I guess you find some way to say mine is not a representative sample (since it doesn't make the point you would like it to make)?

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One is a pair of cheaters and the other is Eli/Coughlin.

Winning a Lombardi is really fucking hard.


Only 9 such combinations in super bowl Era.

Brady/Beli
Bradshaw/Noll
Montana/Walsh
Aikman/Johnson
Starr/Lombardi
Griese/Shula
Staubach/Landry
Plunkett/Flores
Eli/coughlin

5 combinations of QB winning multiple for different coaches, 2 are repeat qb's from above:

Elway and Ben each won 2 for same team under different coaches.

Aikman/Montana won their final superbowls with a different coach after winning multiple with same coach.

Looks like Peyton only one to win multiple for multiple teams?


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Solid stuff B2B.Thanks for sharing


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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger: Month By Month
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fortythree wrote:
Obviously wrote:

I was just wondering why you left him out. Yes, agree on your other point. It's been 10 seasons since the Steelers last won the SB with our elite QB, and no it isn't on him.


Since Ben has been in the league only two coach/QB combinations have won multiple Super Bowls.

One is a pair of cheaters and the other is Eli/Coughlin.

Winning a Lombardi is really fucking hard.

"Cheaters?" Now that's about as funny as a middle-aged man saying "Fraudlin."

And speaking of moving the goalposts, who is talking about coach/QB combos? We were just talking QB's.

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