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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin & new deal
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 11:09 pm 
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Oakland was CLEARLY a debacle.


And that’s why many of us keep harping on the man. He can clean up all the malcontents & locker room cancers he wants but that doesn’t really help the bottom line when it’s his very own game day actions and decisions that lead to defeat.

It's a trade-off. If he was told that Ben wasn't cleared to play unless in case of emergency, that part of it I can understand being at least confusing for a game-day situation.

But do other stuff that wins you the game if need be.

JL it's not about excuses-- he didn't make any. I'm merely pointing out some of the situation there that he's had to deal with. Call it a reality check on expectations.


Right- like when you take the lead in a game where Ben's passing can't be stopped, make sure you switch to the running game...that kind of stuff always works...

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We need to itimize all the Tomlin excuses. Good Lord! :lol:


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Haha no I'm just incredulous at the amount of excuses B2B has come up for Tomlin.

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin & new deal
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Haha no I'm just incredulous at the amount of excuses B2B has come up for Tomlin.


No, not you

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin & new deal
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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Oakland was CLEARLY a debacle.


And that’s why many of us keep harping on the man. He can clean up all the malcontents & locker room cancers he wants but that doesn’t really help the bottom line when it’s his very own game day actions and decisions that lead to defeat.

It's a trade-off. If he was told that Ben wasn't cleared to play unless in case of emergency, that part of it I can understand being at least confusing for a game-day situation.

But do other stuff that wins you the game if need be.

JL it's not about excuses-- he didn't make any. I'm merely pointing out some of the situation there that he's had to deal with. Call it a reality check on expectations.


Ben was far from his only issue that day.

Watching time tick off the clock after Oakland completed the pass to the 7 yard line was a huge factor in the loss.

One that he later tried to excuse by claiming he was trying to put “time pressure” on Oakland.

This type of idiocy cannot be defended.


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Really tough for a Head Coach to be saddled with a receiver that scores 15 touchdowns, regularly catches over 100 balls for over 1,000 yards.

Point is: he managed the situation into All-Pro/GOAT conversation territory, with a player that no one in the NFL wanted. When it got to be too much, he helped push him out of town. I don't see how you can spin that into a simple negative.

If anyone here still thinks Tomlin wanted to fire Arians and hire Todd Haley... I've got a New Jersey bridge you might be interested in.

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin & new deal
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Really tough for a Head Coach to be saddled with a receiver that scores 15 touchdowns, regularly catches over 100 balls for over 1,000 yards.

Point is: he managed the situation into All-Pro/GOAT conversation territory, with a player that no one in the NFL wanted. When it got to be too much, he helped push him out of town. I don't see how you can spin that into a simple negative.

If anyone here still thinks Tomlin wanted to fire Arians and hire Todd Haley... I've got a New Jersey bridge you might be interested in.


Well, then Tomlin is a liar because he said as much in interviews. Do you have the inside track on what really goes on in the Steelers' ivory tower? I'm guessing not. Yeah, okay. Tomlin's a potted plant errrrr good company man. C'mon man! Give me a break!

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin & new deal
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Grew up in the Chicago area and DETESTED the October thru April grey fucking skies.

Booked for South Florida 21 years ago and never looked back.

Still love visiting Chi-town but you couldn't pay me to live there again.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin & new deal
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What Tomlin says in press conferences means zero.

That it was Mike Tomlin's idea to renege on retaining Arians (to Arians great consternation because of what Tomlin told him in person) and then make the choice to hire the weird guy who is Steelers family to replace him... that strains credulity, even though I don't have the offices bugged.

Tomlin isn't a potted plant, but he is a company man. I think that was part of the deal when he took the job. I don't have a problem with that.

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin & new deal
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
What Tomlin says in press conferences means zero.

That it was Mike Tomlin's idea to renege on retaining Arians (to Arians great consternation because of what Tomlin told him in person) and then make the choice to hire the weird guy who is Steelers family to replace him... that strains credulity, even though I don't have the offices bugged.

Tomlin isn't a potted plant, but he is a company man. I think that was part of the deal when he took the job. I don't have a problem with that.


He said it in an interview back in 2013. Can't find the link now. However, he takes full responsibility for letting Haley go in this article from last year: https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ste ... 1801170168

Well it's all Tomlin's team now. On that we can agree. All the troublesome asshats are gone now. No one on the team is an impediment now, right? Should be smooth sailing for Tomlin and Co. to the 2nd sticky Lombardi.

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin & new deal
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I just can't see how Tomlin's approach of enabling, appeasing and knob-polishing with Brown and Bell was somehow a positive or value-added attribute.

We all work with a bunch of Mike Tomlins, you know the people who have been doing their jobs for years, are competent and get decent results - they're just on cruise control. Those types always find ways to justify not working harder or not doing things differently.

"Easing into the SB" with a veteran championship team should be all the proof anyone needs that he's never winning another ring. It's an approach he has continued to demonstrate in various games and seasons, and it has CONTINUED to cost them playoff games and, like this past season, even making the playoffs.

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin & new deal
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JackLambert58 wrote:
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What Tomlin says in press conferences means zero.

That it was Mike Tomlin's idea to renege on retaining Arians (to Arians great consternation because of what Tomlin told him in person) and then make the choice to hire the weird guy who is Steelers family to replace him... that strains credulity, even though I don't have the offices bugged.

Tomlin isn't a potted plant, but he is a company man. I think that was part of the deal when he took the job. I don't have a problem with that.


He said it in an interview back in 2013. Can't find the link now. However, he takes full responsibility for letting Haley go in this article from last year: https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ste ... 1801170168

Well it's all Tomlin's team now. On that we can agree. All the troublesome asshats are gone now. No one on the team is an impediment now, right? Should be smooth sailing for Tomlin and Co. to the 2nd sticky Lombardi.

on that we agree, at least in terms of obstacles. That's why I started in this thread saying it's definitely a put up or shut up year.

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin & new deal
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Ha! My wife and I miss living in Pittsburgh very, very much, but she definitely does not miss the endless grey.

Your wife knew Ben?





I know, I know... just kidding


Don't know how I missed this. :lol:

I knew something felt different in there...

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin & new deal
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I knew something felt different in there...
OK. That was definitely TMI.

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin & new deal
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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin & new deal
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Snipppy, snip....

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Is long-tenured Tomlin whose act may be getting old really worth that kind of coin?
Especially when there’s all this chatter of giving the Steelers coach yet another contract extension. And no bargain deal, either. Rather, a new contract that would pay Tomlin $10 million a year.
https://www.pennlive.com/sports/2019/06 ... -deal.html
To the first sentence I copied and pasted..., his schict is old. Has been old for several seasons but I digress. I don't know about everyone else in here but I'm hoping they wait to extend Tomlin. I'm hoping they want to see what unfolds this season with all the changes first before committing to a 'possible' $10Mil per contract with Tomlin. Interesting for sure. Thoughts, comments concerns?

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Steelers new replay-challenge czar prepping by watching all 300+ NFL challenges from 2018. Steelers’ Mike Tomlin will use new assistant Teryl Austin to help him with replay challenges https://triblive.com/sports/new-steeler ... hallenges/
Anything will help IMHO... :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin & new deal
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I don't know if an extension is imminent at all for Tomlin.

Look, Tomlin and Butler are close, and yet what are we to make of what transpired with Keith Butler? He is demoted? or was he? Now coaches the OLBs in addition to being the Defensive Coordinator? Is Tomlin really calling the shots on defense?

I find it ironic that Butler, after years of being paid like a defensive coordinator when he was under Dick LeBeau, because the Steelers felt he was the heir apparent and they did not want to lose him, Butler is entering the last year of his contract.

So, hypothetically, Butler might be coaching his last year with the Steelers. If Butler, who by all accounts was a favorite of Rooney, can be on thin ice, then why can't Tomlin too??

If many of the really awful predictions of the Browns winning the division and we end up with a losing record really do happen, would Tomlin be safe??

I think the Steelers will want to see how this season unfolds before giving Tomlin a new contract. I have already gone on record that I think Teryl Austin may be our new DC in 2020 as they finally let Keith Butler go/or don't renew his contract if the defense does not take that next step.

The counter to all of that is perhaps the Steelers realize there is so much change and turnover and that they feel like Tomlin is the man, the head coach to steer the team through these rocky times. I can see both points of view and can understand how Tomlin would be given an extension.

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin & new deal
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JackLambert58 wrote:
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We need to itimize all the Tomlin excuses. Good Lord! :lol:


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Haha no I'm just incredulous at the amount of excuses B2B has come up for Tomlin.


I wonder what it is about Tomlin that B2B likes so much?

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This thread getting bumped is like "Cowher to the Chiefs"

So on that note.....
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Wow... Now, as one might guess, I certainly do appreciate my blonde haired, blue eyed, Scandinavian/Swede,/Norwegian descended girls, but holy moly.... I can guarantee you, that even at my age, I would find a way into that girl if I saw her in real life.... Whoah.

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This thread getting bumped is like "Cowher to the Chiefs"

So on that note.....
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I literally opened this at a district meeting on culturally informed curriculum, flanked on either side by female members of my department. Closed that window faster than snot.


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At least it's something worth discussing instead of the same horseshit that's plagued this board for months....

I hope they put the kibosh on Butler too. I could see them transitioning from him all together and Tomlin could be on even thinner ice than any might have suspected. If they extend him than that last statement is obviously wrong. I hope they wait it out before handcuffing themselves to a mediocre leader of men..., fuck I can't even write the rest of that foolhardy silly sentence. Dude is a fucking joke and his dismissal can't happen soon enough IMHO.

I keep Fichtner. I Dump Mitchell, Dump Tomlin. Offensive assistants seem decent and Faulkner just started so they get a pass. Butler and Smith are last and final dismissals.
While this team is still in a youth and transitional stage is the best time to make these critical changes. Who would coach up this team you ask? I'm sure more than a few folks around here have solid suggestions/recommendations that are likely also on the FO's radar as well.

So in the spirit of the cowher to the...

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Is this a Tiffani-worthy thread?

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Jeemie wrote:
Is this a Tiffani-worthy thread?

You have to ask? Every thread is a Tiffani-worthy thread.

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I literally opened this at a district meeting on culturally informed curriculum, flanked on either side by female members of my department. Closed that window faster than snot.


Culturally informed curriculum??? Oy vey...

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