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 Post subject: Re: Will Shazier play two games in a row this season?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:28 pm 
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I do not understand where the size or fragile frame remarks originate? Is it because he is damn fast and strong for his size? He must have some weakness other than an inability to grow hair?
The Shazier kid is 6'1" - 237
Timmons is 6'1" - 234
Other starting 3-4 ILB of note in AFC Central
CJ Mosely - 6'2" - 235
Chris Kirksey - 6'2" - 235
Other ILB to consider:
L Kuechley - 6'3" 238
L Foote - 6"1" 239

When Shazier is not hurt he looked better than Mosely to me. His stats suggested as much. Shamarkos hammies are much more troublesome to me at this point. This is exactly when he was needed and had a chance to gracefully usurp his position. Instead he hurt himself simply chasing Jacoby Jones.


Height and weight alone does not tell you about someone's frame. Granted Shaz is on the short side. Small frame means he has narrow shoulders, narrow hips, and thin limbs. This explains the frequency of ankle/leg injuries so far. Despite his weight, he's just not sturdily built.

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 Post subject: Re: Will Shazier play two games in a row this season?
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look how narrow he is

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ok. it's getting gay now.

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ok. it's getting gay now.

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It's sexy time!

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 Post subject: Re: Will Shazier play two games in a row this season?
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He's seen more than Clowney


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this is Shazier, believe it or not

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 Post subject: Re: Will Shazier play two games in a row this season?
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When was that picture taken, from when he was in HS?


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 Post subject: Re: Will Shazier play two games in a row this season?
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When was that picture taken, from when he was in HS?


yes. here's a pic of Timmons about a year out of HS

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 Post subject: Re: Will Shazier play two games in a row this season?
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Oh for crissakes! :lol:

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this is Shazier, believe it or not

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good god..i saw guy looking like that up at mini mart eating pizzza an hr ago.. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Will Shazier play two games in a row this season?
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He's seen more than Clowney

i predict bust city for the clowner.. jamarcus russell shit!


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 Post subject: Re: Will Shazier play two games in a row this season?
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bam morris wrote:
SteelBack wrote:
this is Shazier, believe it or not

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good god..i saw guy looking like that up at mini mart eating pizzza an hr ago.. :lol:


Was it Shazier? :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Will Shazier play two games in a row this season?
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SteelBack wrote:
Strom Detmer wrote:
I do not understand where the size or fragile frame remarks originate? Is it because he is damn fast and strong for his size? He must have some weakness other than an inability to grow hair?
The Shazier kid is 6'1" - 237
Timmons is 6'1" - 234
Other starting 3-4 ILB of note in AFC Central
CJ Mosely - 6'2" - 235
Chris Kirksey - 6'2" - 235
Other ILB to consider:
L Kuechley - 6'3" 238
L Foote - 6"1" 239

When Shazier is not hurt he looked better than Mosely to me. His stats suggested as much. Shamarkos hammies are much more troublesome to me at this point. This is exactly when he was needed and had a chance to gracefully usurp his position. Instead he hurt himself simply chasing Jacoby Jones.


Height and weight alone does not tell you about someone's frame. Granted Shaz is on the short side. Small frame means he has narrow shoulders, narrow hips, and thin limbs. This explains the frequency of ankle/leg injuries so far. Despite his weight, he's just not sturdily built.


You are aware that by the time Farrior hung up his cleats he was barely over 200# ,right?

Good fucking lord you are fixated on another man's build...


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 Post subject: Re: Will Shazier play two games in a row this season?
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Never saw those pics. Wow, he is tiny. That 238 at the combine must have been a whole lot of creatine and forced drinking. Never understood this pick. I thought Mosely was much better-even in coverage. Sparty and Clemson out and out abused him by running at him to close out last year and now I can see why. One look at those pics and it's easy to see why his knee swelled up after the second day of contact in camp.

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 Post subject: Re: Will Shazier play two games in a row this season?
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He already has.

We're way to quick to write people off. Give the kid a chance.


This. Two words: Dave DeCastro.

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 Post subject: Re: Will Shazier play two games in a row this season?
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SteelBack wrote:
this is Shazier, believe it or not

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Well at least he has a good appetite

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When was that picture taken, from when he was in HS?


He probably didn't have a phone like that in High School.

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 Post subject: Re: Will Shazier play two games in a row this season?
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Everyone keeps bringing up Farrior, who supposedly was only a few pounds over 200 pounds at the end of his career. Thick, robust frame...looks sturdy despite what his weight was. And if there is a player to exemplify durability over a long career it's Farrior.

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Here's 234 pound Shazier looking like a DB. Notice his extremely thin, fragile looking limbs and narrow shoulders. This is what a small frame looks like. Don't be fooled by the weight on the stat sheet...as we all said with 240 pound James Farrior. The eyeball test is the most accurate way to assess someone's frame.

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 Post subject: Re: Will Shazier play two games in a row this season?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:03 am 
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SteelBack wrote:
look how narrow he is

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That's kinda unfair and misleading back. Timmons has been in an NFL training regiment for what 8 season's? Shazier is in his rookie year. Try and find a rookie picture of Timmons and then make the comparison. Or just compare Mosley with Shazier at this point in their careers.

I believe Shazier is going to be a really good LB'er if not elite. He needs some seasoning in the NFL for at least a couple years. This being his first year exposed to the NFL life I'm still in wait and see mode. JMO


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SteelerzEdsaL7 wrote:
SteelBack wrote:
this is Shazier, believe it or not

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Well at least he has a good appetite

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When was that picture taken, from when he was in HS?


He probably didn't have a phone like that in High School.


The caption from that photo:
Plantation (Fla.) High linebacker Ryan Shazier eats ribs at Dreamland Barbecue in Tuscaloosa, Ala. Shazier won a rib-eating contest against two teammates by downing 18 ribs

http://www.sikids.com/photos/25465/a-week-with-the-express/6

So yeah, we're apparently using high school pictures to prove a point.

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This thread is the equivalent of a Ben needs to look like Brady Quinn to be better thread.

How often has Troy been injured?

How often was Woodley?

If only those guys were thicker. :roll:

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You can tell it was a while back because Shazier still has eyebrows.


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 Post subject: Re: Will Shazier play two games in a row this season?
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I don't think his size should be the question right now. At this point in the season, how much more time can he miss and still be a contributor? It seems like Williams and Spence are doing a decent job. Him coming in and out and taking first team reps from them in practice might start to become a problem with the limited practice time the teams have these days. Jones coming back and taking reps from James is no big deal. For Spence and Williams, the practice time is a lot more important.

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 Post subject: Re: Will Shazier play two games in a row this season?
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There was no need for the ribs photo as in the selfie he is just as tiny. He looks like 210-215. He didn't run the 40 when he weighed 235 at the combine and I'll bet he hasn't been over 225 since the day after the combine. Creatine, carb loading, and forced drinking are completely legal and a good way to add 15-20 lbs and a few bench reps.

We aren't talking about a QB or a guy in the last third of his career. We are talking about a guy that plays in the middle of the mess and didn't make it through the second day of NFL hitting before being sidelined for two weeks. This is his third time to the bench with an injury eight games into his career. He is either extremely fragile or there was a reason Tomlin described the first injury as a "boo boo".

I'll say this much for him, he has looked OK for a rookie when he has been healthy but nothing more then OK and that forty time does not come close to representing his speed on the field. Meanwhile Mosely is third in the NFL in tackles, is leading LBs in INTs and PDs, and looks to be walking away with defensive rookie of the year.

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 Post subject: Re: Will Shazier play two games in a row this season?
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So far this looks like a year where the board emotions on draft day might be right. Majority of the board loved the 2nd and 4th picks and they both look like studs. First and third left most of us disappointed and they've been duds. Hopefully those two guys turn it around and the two studs continue to grow. That would make it the best draft we've had in quite some time.

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