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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:35 am 
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From memory, post the names of those on the board who advocate being a run first team.

Let's see...
Tim, Todd, Ron, Blitz, Naelae, Steigerwald, Bouchette, Pompeani, Hoge, Bettis, Woodson, Cowher, Tunch, Wolf....
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:00 am 
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Still Lit wrote:
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What about the guy that started this thread? Seems to be looking for run 1st. And of course my personal anti-Christ, Stillers4Tim :lol:


Nick, Nick, Nick...

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I see us as a very balanced offense in 2014. And that will be predicated by a strong running game.


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"predicated by a strong running game. "

What does that mean? Does it mean we must open every game intent on establishing the run 1st every time? Or can we decide the opponent can be had in the air, so we come out throwing trying to score quick. I as an advocate of a "balance" think that balance means that you can do both and sometimes doing both means you go pass 1st some games depending on what you think might be the best option based on opponent and circumstances.


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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:09 am 
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Nick79 wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
Nick79 wrote:
What about the guy that started this thread? Seems to be looking for run 1st. And of course my personal anti-Christ, Stillers4Tim :lol:


Nick, Nick, Nick...

BarryFoster wrote:
I see us as a very balanced offense in 2014. And that will be predicated by a strong running game.


Now click the link in homage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1LHJVpizxY&feature=kp


"predicated by a strong running game. "

What does that mean? Does it mean we must open every game intent on establishing the run 1st every time? Or can we decide the opponent can be had in the air, so we come out throwing trying to score quick. I as an advocate of a "balance" think that balance means that you can do both and sometimes doing both means you go pass 1st some games depending on what you think might be the best option based on opponent and circumstances.


Whatever Nick, I'm not indulging your BS. Stop looking for disputes where there are none.

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Although, I'll add this for, though I can't speak for Barry, but "predicated" would mean that a strong passing game is dependent on being able to run the ball well. If you want to dispute the need for a strong running attack to be able to throw the ball well, take it up with others. I'm not indulging it.

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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
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You have to have both, I'll end with that. You can't put a priority of one over the other. You can't have a Cowher team with the Bus, great defense and pray Kordell doesn't make mistakes. To be a champion, you need to do EVERYTHING well, no matter what % you do each, or at least competently. If you're going to run 60% of the time, just make sure it's not because you can't pass and vise versa.


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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:17 am 
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Nick79 wrote:
You have to have both, I'll end with that. You can't put a priority of one over the other. You can't have a Cowher team with the Bus, great defense and pray Kordell doesn't make mistakes. To be a champion, you need to do EVERYTHING well or at least competently.


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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:29 am 
If not for the WR screen I would predict a franchise record for rush attempts in the coming season. Consider Munch, Blount, Haley's recent comments and this from 2 years ago-

http://www.pittsburghsportingnews.com/can-the-steelers-fix-their-running-game/


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If not for the WR screen I would predict a franchise record for rush attempts in the coming season. Consider Munch, Blount, Haley's recent comments and this from 2 years ago-

http://www.pittsburghsportingnews.com/can-the-steelers-fix-their-running-game/


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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:39 pm 
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Cowboys lost a 25 pt half time lead to Green Bay last year because they wouldn't run the ball in the 2nd half

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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
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so I did a search.

37 times an NFL team has broken 600 rushing attempts in a season.

out of those 37 team seasons, 32 of them were winning teams, and 3 more were at least 7-9

only the 81 Bears and 78 Chiefs were worse than 7-9

combined record: 388-181-1

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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
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Which is the cause and which is the effect? Do the running attempts cause the win, or does having the lead cause the running attempts?

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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
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so I did a search.

37 times an NFL team has broken 600 rushing attempts in a season.

out of those 37 team seasons, 32 of them were winning teams, and 3 more were at least 7-9

only the 81 Bears and 78 Chiefs were worse than 7-9

combined record: 388-181-1

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how many won championships??


And what years where those 37? It would be interesting to know that too.


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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:20 am 
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SteelerDog wrote:
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Which is the cause and which is the effect? Do the running attempts cause the win, or does having the lead cause the running attempts?



having the lead causes rushing attempts usually........thats why the yinzer rock pounding orgasm mentality is such a vast failure.....they want to run most of the time......regardless of the situation......except when we are down large late......then the qb and wrs are supposed to flip a switch and flawlessly work miracles against prevent Ds

this is really the point

the reverse is true, too you can win with a high powered offense that exploits matchups-- until you come up against a team that takes that away or until you have to run the football to shorten the game and protect your lead against a worthy opponent... that was IC's point about Dallas.

I think the run game is something you have to have 100% confidence in-- and keep it in your pocket. Like a finishing tool or perhaps a gun you never want to take out unless it's time to use it.

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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
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It's not only that, but when you're locked in a field position grudge match every yard counts and often times whoever makes the first mistake (I.e. turnover) wins

That's about having a feel for how the game is unfolding

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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
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It's not only that, but when you're locked in a field position grudge match every yard counts and often times whoever makes the first mistake (I.e. turnover) wins

That's about having a feel for how the game is unfolding

unless you plan it ahead of time e.g.: the Baltimore game last year where the plan going in was to survive a filed position grudge match, before one presented itself-- and then slow to react to the shootout that was unfolding and self-limiting opportunities to recover. That was the worst game of Mike Tomlin's career, bar none. P.S.: we planned that field position game of attrition knowing we had possibly the worst punt game in the NFL

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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
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Balance

To attain a balanced offense the running game needs to improve

Never said I wanted run first

Simply wanted to see an improved running game.

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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
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Balance

To attain a balanced offense the running game needs to improve

Never said I wanted run first

Simply wanted to see an improved running game.


Agenda colors perception and this gets in the way of reading comprehension. Or even reading the whole post, I would wager.

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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
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Still Lit wrote:
BarryFoster wrote:
Balance

To attain a balanced offense the running game needs to improve

Never said I wanted run first

Simply wanted to see an improved running game.


Agenda colors perception and this gets in the way of reading comprehension. Or even reading the whole post, I would wager.


Agree.

My only "agenda" is to see improved run blocking, better efficiency in the running game, resulting in more YPC.

I don't want to run it down the defense's throat, I just want more balance on offense.

Do you personally feel I have an agenda or are you generalizing the perceptions of threads like this?

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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
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BarryFoster wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
BarryFoster wrote:
Balance

To attain a balanced offense the running game needs to improve

Never said I wanted run first

Simply wanted to see an improved running game.


Agenda colors perception and this gets in the way of reading comprehension. Or even reading the whole post, I would wager.


Agree.

My only "agenda" is to see improved run blocking, better efficiency in the running game, resulting in more YPC.

I don't want to run it down the defense's throat, I just want more balance on offense.

Do you personally feel I have an agenda or are you generalizing the perceptions of threads like this?


Oh, I agree with you.

Everyone has an opinion. But not everyone's opinion is accompanied by tunnel vision and an accompanying inability to actually think about what someone else has posted.

All you had to do in your OP was say that you wanted a forceful running attack and my guess is that was enough to cause certain posters to stop reading and assume you wanted to do nothing but run. That's my take. The trail of ensuing comments was hilarious.

OP: "We need to run better so the passing game will better flourish and so the offense won't be as predictable and will have more ways to win."

Certain responders, Run Reactionaries, see the word 'run' in OP: "Look, it's another rock pounding yinzer advocate."

OP defenders: "That's not what the OP says, and there are good reasons to agree with him, such as X, Y, Z."

Run reactionaries: "No, I saw the world 'run' in the OP. It means we should make Ben a hand off monkey and chew clock."

And it goes on for 12 pages.

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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
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sgtrobo wrote:
so I did a search.

37 times an NFL team has broken 600 rushing attempts in a season.

out of those 37 team seasons, 32 of them were winning teams, and 3 more were at least 7-9

only the 81 Bears and 78 Chiefs were worse than 7-9

combined record: 388-181-1

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Lol that's evil

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 Post subject: Re: Pound the Rock
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Still Lit wrote:
BarryFoster wrote:
Balance

To attain a balanced offense the running game needs to improve

Never said I wanted run first

Simply wanted to see an improved running game.


Agenda colors perception and this gets in the way of reading comprehension. Or even reading the whole post, I would wager.


Reading period, it's amazing the conclusions that come from what people think they read. I think that first sentence is going in my sig.

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