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 Post subject: Re: 1st Round Pick - Bud Dupree, OLB, kentucky
PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:59 pm 
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Shazier struggled anytime he faced a quality team or opponent.

I had Shazier 96th on my top 100 board...I believe Shazier's fit in the draft is where the Steelers drafted Dri Archer.

I concede another shitty GM like Kevin Colbert would have reached for Shazier

Shazier does not play fast when he is asked to

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Despite his timed speed Shazier does not play fast against the run



shazier does not play fast.


My words and I stand by them to this day.

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 Post subject: Re: 1st Round Pick - Bud Dupree, OLB, kentucky
PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:22 pm 
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I really hope the 5th year is not picked out not worth it.


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 Post subject: Re: 1st Round Pick - Bud Dupree, OLB, kentucky
PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:50 am 
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Shazier struggled anytime he faced a quality team or opponent.

I had Shazier 96th on my top 100 board...I believe Shazier's fit in the draft is where the Steelers drafted Dri Archer.

I concede another shitty GM like Kevin Colbert would have reached for Shazier

Shazier does not play fast when he is asked to

Take on blocks
Read and React

Despite his timed speed Shazier does not play fast against the run



shazier does not play fast.


My words and I stand by them to this day.

Here’s the real problem.....Aaron Fucking Donald was 2 picks away and I am guessing the 3 stooges were eating a foot long and a bag of Cheetos at that time. And I guarantee it they would have passed him up if he dropped to them. “Bad fit.”


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 Post subject: Re: 1st Round Pick - Bud Dupree, OLB, kentucky
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Shazier struggled anytime he faced a quality team or opponent.

I had Shazier 96th on my top 100 board...I believe Shazier's fit in the draft is where the Steelers drafted Dri Archer.

I concede another shitty GM like Kevin Colbert would have reached for Shazier

Shazier does not play fast when he is asked to

Take on blocks
Read and React

Despite his timed speed Shazier does not play fast against the run


shazier does not play fast.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: 1st Round Pick - Bud Dupree, OLB, kentucky
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:15 am 
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if there is one thing you CANNOT say about Shazier is that he does not play fast. Most say he plays too fast at times.

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 Post subject: Re: 1st Round Pick - Bud Dupree, OLB, kentucky
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if there is one thing you CANNOT say about Shazier is that he does not play fast. Most say he plays too fast at times.


Well I can say it...And I have said it for a few years now.

Shazier was we will say football dumb...False steps, confusion where to line up, misreads of blocking schemes/routes/route progressions, .zone recognition(who to cover)

He was a 4.45 guy who played like a 4.65 guy because of what was above his shoulders



Those who don't learn from something are doomed to repeat it

Talent wise Shazier was the elite of the elite

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 Post subject: Re: 1st Round Pick - Bud Dupree, OLB, kentucky
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:30 pm 
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Good lord, I’ve never seen that vid before. Dude was bound to really hurt himself, unfortunately.


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 Post subject: Re: 1st Round Pick - Bud Dupree, OLB, kentucky
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if there is one thing you CANNOT say about Shazier is that he does not play fast. Most say he plays too fast at times.


Well I can say it...And I have said it for a few years now.

Shazier was we will say football dumb...False steps, confusion where to line up, misreads of blocking schemes/routes/route progressions, .zone recognition(who to cover)

He was a 4.45 guy who played like a 4.65 guy because of what was above his shoulders



Those who don't learn from something are doomed to repeat it

Talent wise Shazier was the elite of the elite


is that clip supposed to prove something. A counter play that he played perfectly. Kept is feet under him, took a first step with the direction of the fake, recognized the counter, and drove back to the ball with elite speed. That's text book ILB play on a counter.

Problem in, with his speed and closing ability, he is a missile and needs to bow the neck and keep the eyes up to the extreme.

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 Post subject: Re: 1st Round Pick - Bud Dupree, OLB, kentucky
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Here’s the real problem.....Aaron Fucking Donald was 2 picks away and I am guessing the 3 stooges were eating a foot long and a bag of Cheetos at that time. And I guarantee it they would have passed him up if he dropped to them. “Bad fit.”


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 Post subject: Re: 1st Round Pick - Bud Dupree, OLB, kentucky
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:58 am 
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FC's points are more valid than people want to admit because it's all or nothing for most of you guys.

Shazier was the D's biggest playmaker, no doubt. His play saved a couple games. Guy loves football and he played hard. It hurts to see what happened, happen to a guy like him. But fact is considering his speed, he struggled in coverage and whiffed a bit in the run game for above-the-head reasons. I do think the mental part of his game was improving, but I think he was a year or so away from being the guy that everyone claims he was before the injury.

I also think that if he plays against Jax, steelers season extends at least a week. That said, if he plays against New England, who knows. That game was close enough where one play from your biggest playmaker on D is the difference between a one seed and a two-seed.

But it's football, injuries happen. And when your backup plan is on the couch waiting for you to call ....bad things are bound to happen.


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 Post subject: Re: 1st Round Pick - Bud Dupree, OLB, kentucky
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:58 am 
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Shazier was the one guy on this defense who could make big plays. I'm in my early 30s so my earliest Steeler memories are early/mid 90s, but Shazier's game against the Bengals in the playoffs was the best game by a Steelers defender in the playoff I've ever seen. He was growing into the leader of this D and was having a borderline All Pro level season. All the handwringing over missing on Mosley had ended.

It's a devastating loss. Drafting an impact ILB probably just became our biggest need. The draft is a relative crap shoot, anyone who acts like they know what they're talking about beyond a semi-educated guess is full of shit, and when you end up nailing a pick like Shazier and then losing that guy as he's entering his prime... man, it's f'n tough.

As for Dupree, I hated the pick in the moment, tried to talk myself into the idea that he's the anti-Jarvis after the fact, but he's hardly changed as a player. I went to UK and joked with a friend of mine the night of the draft "thank God Dupree will be gone before the Steelers pick" then watched as he fell and we pulled the trigger. Ugh. Za'Darius Smith was a better football player and pass rusher on that same UK team and went in the fourth round. :oops: But, I don't think Smith was versatile enough to do what the Steelers ask of their OLBs. Either way, we've been throwing high picks at LBs for years and we still need at least one starting OLB and ILB. Hopefully they nail it this time around.

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 Post subject: Re: 1st Round Pick - Bud Dupree, OLB, kentucky
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:36 am 
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is that clip supposed to prove something.


That clip had nothing to do with the actual play.

That clip had everything to do with tackling form and self preservation

Football is a violent fast game...A series of car wrecks by massive elite athletes

To be honest I don't give a fuck how Shazier played the run...I just want the kid to walk again. I don't think he will and that breaks my heart and leads to nasty comments and posts...I guess its a form of lashing out

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 Post subject: Re: 1st Round Pick - Bud Dupree, OLB, kentucky
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I was looking at the clip with the thoughts that it was going to show his false steps and him not playing fast against the run.

I think he will walk again. If Dennis Byrd walked again Shazier can. I don't believe he will play again though.

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