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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:21 pm 
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where the change of pace back? there isn't one

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There's a lot of time before Johnny Football comes to town. Adding a change of pace back shouldn't be overly difficult a true need presents itself. Rosters are bloated right now.

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I think that Archers position flexibility allows you to save that 3RB designation for someone else. Archer is the KR/PR (right now) and will contribute as a RB or a WR. I can see him in the slot as the 4th or motioned into the backfield (a la Bush or Sproles) depending on who (S, LB, CB) they want to put on him.

What the Saints did with Bush was they identified the match up and put him in the spot that was hardest to defend. If the defense put a LB on him, they put Bush on the edge as a WR and forced him to cover. If it was a corner then they put him in the backfield and ran him at the corner and the OL just ate up the guy. Having Bush do this pointed out where the blitz was coming from because that coverman could never blitz or they'd pop a hot behind him and Bush would be off for 30 on a hot read. Did the same thing with Sproles, how we do the same thing with Archer

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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on our RBs?
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I think the Steelers backs are very good.

Bell
Blount
Alexander

Alexander is my surprise he adds a legitimate speed element...Special teams will make or break him

Archer is a scat back/ returner who will be lucky to get 3-5 offensive touches a game

I expect the Steelers have a fullback on the field less than 10% of the time this season...I would not be surprised if the number is closer to 5%.

Haley favors 2 Te's and feels the I formation limits the offense...Not my words his words

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Was thinking the roster of backs currently is nothing to shrug at. I think they'll get the job done. If by some luck they're fortunate enough to pick someone up that fell through the cracks as teams begin thinning the herd down then even better. Keep an eye on Eric Waters. ;)


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I like the group alot, dont know much about Alexander. I do know what I saw from Blount in NE is lad brings it and punishes teams in 4th. Bell has all the tools, with exception of break away speed. Most that do dont last or get hurt a bunch aka Peterson. I like lad he has potential to be a better version of Forte. Archers is a nice wild card, even if he only gets touches FC predicts, one of those touches might equate to big play with his speed and vision.


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I like the group alot, dont know much about Alexander. I do know what I saw from Blount in NE is lad brings it and punishes teams in 4th. Bell has all the tools, with exception of break away speed. Most that do dont last or get hurt a bunch aka Peterson. I like lad he has potential to be a better version of Forte. Archers is a nice wild card, even if he only gets touches FC predicts, one of those touches might equate to big play with his speed and vision.


If it were me, with the lead, I would pull Bell midway thru the third. Then I would pound a fresh Blount in there 15 times, throw in some play action to keep,the safeties back and bleed a defense out. Not pretty but if MM is as good as his credentials this OL is going to be asking for that--and delivering.

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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on our RBs?
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Blount is not going to be running into space vs nickel/dime the way he was in NE. Here everything will be packed in. I like him as a back but he may not enjoy the same results here.

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Archer has to be the change of Pace nack but might be also a nice battle between Alexander,Poole and Mayosynet


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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on our RBs?
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I think they roll with what they have, barring injury. There's always a Felix Jones waiting for a call during the season.


That's the attitude that created the RB situation the past two years. Archer could easily be a bust, and Blount is only signed for 2-years. If a decent guy gets cut I think they jump at a vet min deal.

Guys like Felix Jones aren't depth. Those guys actually have to be able to contribute if needed. Maybe not a priority, but something they should definitely be on the lookout for...like maybe a young guy they see some potential in that has actual NFL experience. Someone like a Mwelde Moore (back in the day) or even LSH last year.

PIT is going to hope Archer can be their returner, and then they'll EXPERIMENT with him rushing/receiving. Extremely optimistic to think he'll do much or have much impact in that experimental role. That leaves you with just TWO backs worth a damn. They SHOULD be on the lookout for some insurance. That's not Felix Jones, a guy they dumpster dived for and found out was nothing more than unwanted trash.
what constitutes a 'decent guy'?

For me, we add someone if (a) we want a 3rd 'starting' rb to get a gameday helmet or (b) we think one of the randoms on our roster right now is a legit talent that we don't want to risk sneaking through waivers.

I don't think we add a 2014 version of felix jones, cut maybe zumwalt or bryant to make room for him, and then have him stand on the sidelines in sweats each week a la deuce staley.


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I'm quite happy with the RB situation. Bell and Blount are different runners - they offer a change of pace even without a significant speed difference.

My hope is that they use the tandem creatively, not just a 2-1-2-1 rotation type of thing . Bell is incredibly valuable as a pass catcher. I'd hate to replace him on 3rd downs because or a rotation with Blount or that SOP is to have a 3rd down back. on 3rd and 3 having him in the lineup forces the D to defend both run and pass.

Blount is a very effective runner on 1st down, especially in 11 formations. If he gets 10 carries a game I'd like to see at least 5 coming in these situations. He'll average 5 per for the season.

Got to say I find it funny that those who think our receivers are too small also think are backs are too big. I guess the argument is that variety is needed, which makes some general kind of sense. Funny nontheless

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I'm quite happy with the RB situation. Bell and Blount are different runners - they offer a change of pace even without a significant speed difference.

My hope is that they use the tandem creatively, not just a 2-1-2-1 rotation type of thing . Bell is incredibly valuable as a pass catcher. I'd hate to replace him on 3rd downs because or a rotation with Blount or that SOP is to have a 3rd down back. on 3rd and 3 having him in the lineup forces the D to defend both run and pass.

Blount is a very effective runner on 1st down, especially in 11 formations. If he gets 10 carries a game I'd like to see at least 5 coming in these situations. He'll average 5 per for the season.

Got to say I find it funny that those who think our receivers are too small also think are backs are too big. I guess the argument is that variety is needed, which makes some general kind of sense. Funny nontheless


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what constitutes a 'decent guy'?
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Well, one example is a guy like Dwyer cut last year. A guy with NFL experience that isn't washed up.

You are looking at it all wrong. You need 2 RB's, just because you can get away with dressing just those 2 doesn't mean you still don't need a back-up if one gets hurt.

That the 3rd back might stand on the sidelines in sweats is a gameday decision. You need 2 guys, which means depth means a 3rd guy. NOBODY plans on rolling with just two capable RB's. No one has done that. NO ONE. I can't believe people are still arguing this.

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Kodiak wrote:
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what constitutes a 'decent guy'?
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Well, one example is a guy like Dwyer cut last year. A guy with NFL experience that isn't washed up.

You are looking at it all wrong. You need 2 RB's, just because you can get away with dressing just those 2 doesn't mean you still don't need a back-up if one gets hurt.

That the 3rd back might stand on the sidelines in sweats is a gameday decision. You need 2 guys, which means depth means a 3rd guy. NOBODY plans on rolling with just two capable RB's. No one has done that. NO ONE. I can't believe people are still arguing this.



and I can't believe we're still over 2 weeks from the start of training camp and your pissing in your panties over the final roster cuts

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Iron_City wrote:
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mick wrote:
what constitutes a 'decent guy'?
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Well, one example is a guy like Dwyer cut last year. A guy with NFL experience that isn't washed up.

You are looking at it all wrong. You need 2 RB's, just because you can get away with dressing just those 2 doesn't mean you still don't need a back-up if one gets hurt.

That the 3rd back might stand on the sidelines in sweats is a gameday decision. You need 2 guys, which means depth means a 3rd guy. NOBODY plans on rolling with just two capable RB's. No one has done that. NO ONE. I can't believe people are still arguing this.



and I can't believe we're still over 2 weeks from the start of training camp and your pissing in your panties over the final roster cuts


You're such a surly SOB. :lol:

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and I can't believe we're still over 2 weeks from the start of training camp and your pissing in your panties over the final roster cuts


LMFAO, how am I pissing my panties? I'm only pointing out PIT needs to find a 3rd RB to back-up Bell and Blount. If people want to convince me otherwise then show me a team that rolls into the season with just 2 capable running backs. It doesn't happen, certainly not by choice.

Heck, just look at last year...PIT went into the year with Jones, Redmen and LSH eventhough Bell was due back in 3-4 weeks. And when LSH got hurt and they cut Redmen, they didn't roll with just two guys they brought back Dwyer.

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Kodiak wrote:
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and I can't believe we're still over 2 weeks from the start of training camp and your pissing in your panties over the final roster cuts


LMFAO, how am I pissing my panties? I'm only pointing out PIT needs to find a 3rd RB to back-up Bell and Blount. If people want to convince me otherwise then show me a team that rolls into the season with just 2 capable running backs. It doesn't happen, certainly not by choice.

Heck, just look at last year...PIT went into the year with Jones, Redmen and LSH eventhough Bell was due back in 3-4 weeks. And when LSH got hurt and they cut Redmen, they didn't roll with just two guys they brought back Dwyer.


Who to say is capable and who isn't? That's the job of a coach. They deemed Dri Archer good enough to draft in the 3rd RD. That's 4 rounds higher than Blount went and only a round lower than Leveon Bell. They obviously feel he's capable of something

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I'm quite happy with the RB situation. Bell and Blount are different runners - they offer a change of pace even without a significant speed difference.

My hope is that they use the tandem creatively, not just a 2-1-2-1 rotation type of thing . Bell is incredibly valuable as a pass catcher. I'd hate to replace him on 3rd downs because or a rotation with Blount or that SOP is to have a 3rd down back. on 3rd and 3 having him in the lineup forces the D to defend both run and pass.

Blount is a very effective runner on 1st down, especially in 11 formations. If he gets 10 carries a game I'd like to see at least 5 coming in these situations. He'll average 5 per for the season.

Got to say I find it funny that those who think our receivers are too small also think are backs are too big. I guess the argument is that variety is needed, which makes some general kind of sense. Funny nontheless


You and Luca are quality posters here. I'm with you on the level of amusement with some here.


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In watching Blount's highlight film from New England and Tampa Bay I was surprised at his shiftiness and athletic ability for a 250 pounder. I even saw him do Bell's patented hurdling the defender three times which makes me think the Steelers saw that too, and a lightbulb went on and the interest was piqued. Bell is really closer to 225 so naturally he is more nimble, quicker and has better hands, vision and overall game.

I think the Steelers will go into the season with Bell, Blount, Archer and Will Johnson and have a 5th RB on the practice squad. Johnson has been getting more time with the TEs and he will see time at H-Back this year and he himself is a physical specimen, 240 pounder who ran some high 4.4s. If there were an emergency situation in a game, Johnson could come in and play RB. Then after the game you call up your practice squad guy or sign some free agent. It makes no sense to have a 5th RB on the roster who is going to be deactivated each and every game and watch the game from the sidelines in sweats. That 5th RB can be stashed on the practice squad and is the perfect place for him.

Also, people just completely ignore that Blount has versatility. Last season with New England he averaged 29.1 yards on 17 kick returns with a long of 83 yards. That is better than what Dwyer or Felix Jones could ever do. So, you have a RB in Bell who can play all three downs, who can rush for 1200 yards and catch 60 passes in a season. You have a RB in Blount who can rush for 600-700 yards, and be a very effective KR. Archer can be the next Dante Hall/Mel Gray return man and play some 3rd down back. Then you have Will Johnson who can be the FB, H-Back and be an emergency RB.

It looks to me that we have a diverse group of RBs that have the skills to do anything that you may want to accomplish. I am excited for this season because I can't remember a time we had a RB core this deep and talented before. What a difference a year makes...

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Good post. After QB, running back looks to be the most stable at a high level position on the team.

As to pound the rock, pass pass pass or balanced attacked: I think over the course of the season if we play to our strengths and to the weaknesses of their defense that all three approaches will be addressed.

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If they want to be versatile in their play calling and be able to change things up without changing personnel, it makes sense to me to have two similar backs in your rotation. Bell is the all around guy who can do it all, Blount is a hammer version of the same thing. There is plenty of room for a backup or two. I don't think the need for different types of runners or running styles is as pronounced as it is for receivers. That said, we could use a speed element in the backfield even if it's a backup, 3rd strong guy.

If Archer contributes much of anything on offense, it will be a bonus. I don't expect him to get more than a couple touches a game. Colbert gave is the clue as to what Archer is when he said he considered a returner a starter. When he plays, it going to be in a flex role. When people place big expectations on what Archer is bringing to the offense, I think they are wildly overestimating his prowess.

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