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 Post subject: A silver lining for both Rogers and Ayers...
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:30 am 
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A Bell 4 game suspension allows the Steelers to keep both Rogers and Ayers. Rogers can be that 5th WR and Ayers can be kept as a Chris Rainey/Stephens-Howling scatback RB/return man the first 4 games.

Also, on a side note, I had made a post a while back talking of some vets I wanted to see gone, cut. Suisham, Spaeth and Moats. Well, 2 down and 1 to go. I talked of how the money saved could be put to good use. Maybe the Steelers will use that money savings by picking up another vet RB to insure against a Bell injury setback even when he comes back off suspension.

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 Post subject: Re: A silver lining for both Rogers and Ayers...
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And also for that RB vet to be there when Bell goes down with an injury like he normally does.

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A Bell 4 game suspension allows the Steelers to keep both Rogers and Ayers.

Aaaah...I feel better now!


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: A silver lining for both Rogers and Ayers...
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:25 am 
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And also for that RB vet to be there when Bell goes down with an injury like he normally does.


Guess it's better we sign a vet since Tomlin didn't think it was prudent to get the greenhorn Toussiant involved in the regular season where we were a DWill injury from being completely inexperienced. Whaddya know, that very thing happened and the lack of reps perhaps impacted his fumble in Denver. Tomlin apparently doesn't believe in contingency plans


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 Post subject: Re: A silver lining for both Rogers and Ayers...
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:50 pm 
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A Bell 4 game suspension allows the Steelers to keep both Rogers and Ayers. Rogers can be that 5th WR and Ayers can be kept as a Chris Rainey/Stephens-Howling scatback RB/return man the first 4 games.

Also, on a side note, I had made a post a while back talking of some vets I wanted to see gone, cut. Suisham, Spaeth and Moats. Well, 2 down and 1 to go. I talked of how the money saved could be put to good use. Maybe the Steelers will use that money savings by picking up another vet RB to insure against a Bell injury setback even when he comes back off suspension.

Scunge, put down the crack pipe (or should I say Oxy bottle)!

The Steelers FO would have to be high to cut Moats. Our depth chart at OLB is, perhaps, the worst it's been since when Chuck Noll took over.

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 Post subject: Re: A silver lining for both Rogers and Ayers...
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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A Bell 4 game suspension allows the Steelers to keep both Rogers and Ayers. Rogers can be that 5th WR and Ayers can be kept as a Chris Rainey/Stephens-Howling scatback RB/return man the first 4 games.

Also, on a side note, I had made a post a while back talking of some vets I wanted to see gone, cut. Suisham, Spaeth and Moats. Well, 2 down and 1 to go. I talked of how the money saved could be put to good use. Maybe the Steelers will use that money savings by picking up another vet RB to insure against a Bell injury setback even when he comes back off suspension.

Scunge, put down the crack pipe (or should I say Oxy bottle)!

The Steelers FO would have to be high to cut Moats. Our depth chart at OLB is, perhaps, the worst it's been since when Chuck Noll took over.



We have depth its just that the talent level is sketchy but there are a lot of bodies.
1a Deebo still has some fumes in the tank.
1b Bud needs to take the next step.
3a As a R1 JJ is a flop.
3b Moats is a valuable backup.
3c Chickillo, same as Bud, potentially the third OLB some time this season. Could eventually be a left side starter if/when Bud flips over to the right side in '17.
Bunch of other guys looking to stick as ST and be backups in '17

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 Post subject: Re: A silver lining for both Rogers and Ayers...
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I believe the best is yet to come for Bud; I'm skeptical Chickillo will be more than wave rushing depth. Moats is a decent backup.

The season hinges on whether James Harrison can still play at a high level and if Dupree takes the next step to become dominant. There is no other big wildcard, no one to step in if either of those hinge points doesn't come to pass.

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 Post subject: Re: A silver lining for both Rogers and Ayers...
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We need to use that roster space for a real #3 RB. Entered way too many postseasons under tomlin with good run offenses that were missing any capable Rb.


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 Post subject: Re: A silver lining for both Rogers and Ayers...
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I'm not putting the cart before the horse where Ayers is concerned. Rogers on the other hand had a strong camp/pre season in 15' until injury sidelined him. Should he pick up where he left off, he could be seeing serious playing time on ST's and some offensive snaps. He can thank Bryant if it unfolds that way too.


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 Post subject: Re: A silver lining for both Rogers and Ayers...
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Sorry B2B, no crack pipe here. I was no fan of that OLB rotation they had at both ROLB and LOLB last season. Hard to develop as a player, at those positions, when you are doing musical chairs. Say what you want about Jarvis Jones and Bud Dupree but they have to take the training wheels off at some point and just let them get the majority of the snaps and make their mistakes and learn and grow from it. Cutting Moats forces that issue and provides both players with more reps and playing time. I don't want to hear, well, did they earn it bullshit. They are former first round picks and you have to let them play and develop. Relying on the vets as a safety blanket, or pacifier is not helping the process.

Moats should be a clear backup on this team and yet he has a cap hit of 3.1 million. Sorry but I cut him and roll with Dupree, Jones, Harrison, Chickillo and Feeney and sign another vet RB.

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 Post subject: Re: A silver lining for both Rogers and Ayers...
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Scunge wrote:
Sorry B2B, no crack pipe here. I was no fan of that OLB rotation they had at both ROLB and LOLB last season. Hard to develop as a player, at those positions, when you are doing musical chairs. Say what you want about Jarvis Jones and Bud Dupree but they have to take the training wheels off at some point and just let them get the majority of the snaps and make their mistakes and learn and grow from it. Cutting Moats forces that issue and provides both players with more reps and playing time. I don't want to hear, well, did they earn it bullshit. They are former first round picks and you have to let them play and develop. Relying on the vets as a safety blanket, or pacifier is not helping the process.

Moats should be a clear backup on this team and yet he has a cap hit of 3.1 million. Sorry but I cut him and roll with Dupree, Jones, Harrison, Chickillo and Feeney and sign another vet RB.

There was no rotation for ROLB after like 3 weeks. Harrison was the clear cut starter. Jones is done-- the ship of him becoming a quality starter has long sailed. Feeney is a package guy, like Bucannon in Arizona.

The exception I would make is: I'd offer Freeney a one year deal as a wave rusher.

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 Post subject: Re: A silver lining for both Rogers and Ayers...
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Yeah, but a package guy could very well end up playing 50% of the time. I personally feel that Hargraves will be a beast and that Butler will use Dupree more as a DE and we will get great pressure and sacks from the foursome of Dupree, Hargraves, Heyward and Tuitt. If Butler gets pressure from those four, he will most likely have sub package LBers playing behind them and sitting a traditional OLB like Moats. Or bringing on a 3rd safety in place of that second OLB.

I just see big time changes happening this year on defense. Butler had one arm tied behind his back and did not have the players, the horses to do what he really wanted. With Burns, Golson, Hargraves, Davis, Feeney I see him willing to change things up more and more.

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 Post subject: Re: A silver lining for both Rogers and Ayers...
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And also for that RB vet to be there when Bell goes down with an injury like he normally does.


Guess it's better we sign a vet since Tomlin didn't think it was prudent to get the greenhorn Toussiant involved in the regular season where we were a DWill injury from being completely inexperienced. Whaddya know, that very thing happened and the lack of reps perhaps impacted his fumble in Denver. Tomlin apparently doesn't believe in contingency plans


Tomlin has his head so far up his ass when it comes to managing RBs he can't tell night from day.
He makes ostriches look like survivalists.

What did Mr stubborn learn when Bell went down 2 years ago? Absolutely fucking nothing.
What did Mr stubborn learn when Williams went down last year? Absolutely fucking nothing.

You want to run the wheels off your #1RB? Fine, do it, but be prepared for when the wheels come off.
Tomlin probably drives around with no spare, because he cant possibly contemplate ever getting a flat tire.

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 Post subject: Re: A silver lining for both Rogers and Ayers...
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And also for that RB vet to be there when Bell goes down with an injury like he normally does.


Guess it's better we sign a vet since Tomlin didn't think it was prudent to get the greenhorn Toussiant involved in the regular season where we were a DWill injury from being completely inexperienced. Whaddya know, that very thing happened and the lack of reps perhaps impacted his fumble in Denver. Tomlin apparently doesn't believe in contingency plans


Tomlin has his head so far up his ass when it comes to managing RBs he can't tell night from day.
He makes ostriches look like survivalists.

What did Mr stubborn learn when Bell went down 2 years ago? Absolutely fucking nothing.
What did Mr stubborn learn when Williams went down last year? Absolutely fucking nothing.

You want to run the wheels off your #1RB? Fine, do it, but be prepared for when the wheels come off.
Tomlin probably drives around with no spare, because he cant possibly contemplate ever getting a flat tire.

Um, we probably had the #1 RB depth chart in the NFL last year, and the results of the way they were handled were pretty impressive. 4th ranked rush offense, adjusted for strength of opponent... and that's without the #1 guy for a significant stretch of the season. Aside from the fumble, Toussaint was remarkably good-- even Todman played well. How exactly was the management of the RBs poor?

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 Post subject: Re: A silver lining for both Rogers and Ayers...
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Guess it's better we sign a vet since Tomlin didn't think it was prudent to get the greenhorn Toussiant involved in the regular season where we were a DWill injury from being completely inexperienced. Whaddya know, that very thing happened and the lack of reps perhaps impacted his fumble in Denver. Tomlin apparently doesn't believe in contingency plans


Tomlin has his head so far up his ass when it comes to managing RBs he can't tell night from day.
He makes ostriches look like survivalists.

What did Mr stubborn learn when Bell went down 2 years ago? Absolutely fucking nothing.
What did Mr stubborn learn when Williams went down last year? Absolutely fucking nothing.

You want to run the wheels off your #1RB? Fine, do it, but be prepared for when the wheels come off.
Tomlin probably drives around with no spare, because he cant possibly contemplate ever getting a flat tire.

Um, we probably had the #1 RB depth chart in the NFL last year, and the results of the way they were handled were pretty impressive. 4th ranked rush offense, adjusted for strength of opponent... and that's without the #1 guy for a significant stretch of the season. Aside from the fumble, Toussaint was remarkably good-- even Todman played well. How exactly was the management of the RBs poor?


Lack of practice/preparation time?
Toussaint had 18 touches in the regular season (no passes) in December.
Todman had 4 touches in the regular season (no passes).

If you think players should get game time, to acclimate, to get used to the speed of the game and contact in games, then you play them.
Time to learn the linemen in front of them, etc. You know, things that actually help their performance...

Tomlin doesnt.
He lets them collect splinters in their butt until someone gets injured.
That has been obvious for a long time. At least to those who pay attention.
Please dont tell me you were trying to contribute, because this isnt a debateable point by any means.
Its been an observable flaw that has bit us. Its completely fucking stupid, when you already have had injuries ending your
#1 RB multiple times, not to let the depth get experience it will need. But Tomlin continues to do it.
Unless you are a Tomlin apologist, then you dont see it as a flaw.

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